Photographer
myfotographer
Posts: 3703
Fresno, California, US
Maybe this is an obvious point, but you messed up.
You could have handled this in a way that let you keep the gig and probably future gigs.
For shame.
Photographer
David Scott
Posts: 5617
Marion, Iowa, US
CLT wrote:
You forgot to say terrorists. I can relate to the terrorist thing personally. 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
lotusphoto wrote:
"Its a good thing all of those other guys she is having sex with arent photographers" .
you see nothing wrong with saying this to someone's mom? Just too damn honest. If you lie more you will be accepted as mainstream.
Photographer
Benjamen McGuire
Posts: 3991
Portland, Oregon, US
You never answered my question.
WTF does the girl's sex life have to do with you photographing her?
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
Wynd Mulysa wrote:
A photographer exposed himself to me less than a week ago. Haha. Yikes!
Report the bastard!
No, ... wait ....
you are not talking about when we went to a nude beach and you were freezing your butt off and I gave you my trench coat, are you????
Yikes again!
Maybe it was me being a gentleman!
Photographer
Lotus Photography
Posts: 19253
Berkeley, California, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Just too damn honest. If you lie more you will be accepted as mainstream. tadpole, if i wanted to be mainstream i'd still be hallucinating..
Model
Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8619
Berkeley, California, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Yikes!
Report the bastard!
No, ... wait ....
you are not talking about when we went to a nude beach and you were freezing your butt off and I gave you my trench coat, are you????
Yikes again!
Maybe it was me being a gentleman! I meant it technically but not negatively. It is true, and WG has the photo to prove it. . But it was appreciated. Haha.
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
James Jackson wrote:
(and uh... wynd... what's with guys showing you their junk?) Junk?
Hey James, speak for yourself.
Photographer
Giacomo Cirrincioni
Posts: 22234
Stamford, Connecticut, US
Do people in the still photography world not understand the concept of a closed set? I know most here do but it seems some don't. You don't have to have the young girl come alone... She should come with her mother. The makeup artist can attend to her and you can talk with the mother or work with your assistant to do the pre-lighting. If you feel you need to be one on one to bring out a certain level of intimacy in the shots, just have everyone go into the next room for 20 minutes at a clip. You shoot with the model and when you brake, everyone comes back together...
It's not that hard...
Photographer
Benjamen McGuire
Posts: 3991
Portland, Oregon, US
Paramour Productions wrote:
It's not that hard... Well after reading her myspace, it WAS hard, hence the problem lol.
Photographer
Kinetic Photography
Posts: 517
Cspine wrote:
You never answered my question.
WTF does the girl's sex life have to do with you photographing her? Nothing as far as I am concerned. However, if her mother is afraid that I, because I am a photographer, will make advances on her, then her mother should consider that her daughter is having sex with people other than photographers. If her mother is concerned about her daughters sex life, which she indicated she was, then it would be in her best interest to look at other people in her daughters life and not me, a photographer.
Photographer
photosbydmp
Posts: 3808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia
heres one for you, i took some photos of my sixth month old daughter, i was asked to provide a model release by the printers before they would print them, i told them at 6 months old she cannot fucking write, where is this shit ever going to stop, photographers are not instant fiends, just add camera.
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
lotusphoto wrote:
tadpole, if i wanted to be mainstream i'd still be hallucinating.. Senior Frog, you are too damn funny sometimes.
Don't stop.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Forget all that other stuff.. Is the mom hot?
Photographer
Kinetic Photography
Posts: 517
John Jebbia wrote:
Forget all that other stuff.. Is the mom hot? yes. she was a trophy wife for an NBA player. divorced now.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Kinetic Photography wrote:
yes. she was a trophy wife for an NBA player. divorced now. That explains why you're so upset. I would be too.. Just think.. In a year you could have had a mom/daughter threesome..
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
Wynd Mulysa wrote:
I meant it technically but not negatively. It is true, and WG has the photo to prove it. . But it was appreciated. Haha. technically, perhaps your photographer was naked at a nude photo shoot.
But why should it only be the model who's having all the fun?
Anyway, you needed my coat because you were turning strange colors, and I haven't worn underwear since the 60's.
So what is, ... is.
![https://i.pbase.com/o5/66/672266/1/68600563.YR7b97pz.WyndMulysa0305.jpg]()
Photographer
Lotus Photography
Posts: 19253
Berkeley, California, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
technically, perhaps your photographer was naked at a nude photo shoot.
But why should it only be the model who's having all the fun? i expected to see wilting flowers, plastic?
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
technically, perhaps your photographer was naked at a nude photo shoot.
But why should it only be the model who's having all the fun?
Anyway, you needed my coat because you were turning strange colors, and I haven't worn underware since the 60's.
So what is, ... is.
![https://i.pbase.com/o5/66/672266/1/68600563.YR7b97pz.WyndMulysa0305.jpg]() My my.. what colorful pubes you have there. Are you part peacock? Pun intended.
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
lotusphoto wrote:
i expected to see wilting flowers, plastic? WGR only buys the best for Wynd ... totally real, and carefully chosen, ... fresh and fragrant.
In this instance, I was the delivery boy, and co-model
Just following orders.
Photographer
RohanB
Posts: 167
Brooklyn, Indiana, US
Tony Lawrence wrote:
What state in the U.S. is there a law that prohibits a adult from being in the
presence of a minor without a parent present or a legal guardian. I know
you're trying to be helpful but PLEASE do not quote laws that do
not exist. In a past post I did give a example of what could happen when
children are left in a adults care. In many states a 17 year old can have sex,
legal sex mind you with an adult. This being a person older then 18. You
just can't photograph the act or photograph them nude in a sexual act. Nudes
themselves are not against the law in most states but the law you are speaking
of does not exist and if it does give a link to it. Well I didnt do an exhaustive search and of course a law enforcement official is not gonna arrest Marge dropping home her friend's son from school but here is NYS Penal Code on "Custodial Interference"
http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/miss … erence.pdf
here is also the Child Protection Act of NYS
http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/miss … ct2003.pdf
See I used to work for NYC-EMS, we used to be prepped on many laws concerning minors obviously. In other states they are more restrictive about children even being with a stranger, for laws that can be upheld if they find reason that the person had intentions to harm the child. Of course this is not the situation as a photographer, but none the less it is concerning a minor and an adult.
Photographer
Lotus Photography
Posts: 19253
Berkeley, California, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
WGR only buys the best for Wynd ... totally real, and carefully chosen, ... fresh and fragrant.
In this instance, I was the delivery boy, and co-model
Just following orders. really, it's cute..
i envy your weekend, you guys had a blast..
Photographer
John Van
Posts: 3122
Vienna, Wien, Austria
Didn't read the whole thread. I'd just say that the mother doesn't really sound hysterical, not after having her 16-year old do two shoots. As a photographer, I'd want an escort, preferably a parent there until the girl is 18, not just for her protection (read: covering ass) but for your's as well.
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 6209
San Diego, California, US
Kinetic Photography wrote:
yes. she was a trophy wife for an NBA player. divorced now. Okaaaaaaaaay . . . now here's the real problem. Dude, the mom was putting the moves on you. Don't you see? You insulted her. Not by the crack about her daughter, well, that too, but that you didn't make "advances" on her. Get some flowers, say you're sorry, tell her she's hot and get back on track! C'mon, bro, get with it!
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Chip Morton wrote:
Oh Christ . . . what's up with the water in Sandy Ego? And then I suppose you wandered into a Hooters dressed like that and hung out. Man . . . I'm scarred for life. Actually, no.. he had a t-shirt on. It was cold that day.
Photographer
RohanB
Posts: 167
Brooklyn, Indiana, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
DigitalCMH, you should consider your vacations outside of California:
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm well i wasnt talking about sex, just the fact of having a minor in your company without parental consent.
I cant even believe they have a site like that, that is sick...
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
John Jebbia wrote:
Actually, no.. he had a t-shirt on. It was cold that day. Hahahaha ... the Hooters Beer Meeting was entirely another adventure .... 5 of the most brilliant photographers in San Diego, all at the same table
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
RohanB wrote:
I cant even believe they have a site like that, that is sick... Wouldn't it be nice if people were considered as adults before they reach middle age?
Model
Trevasia
Posts: 130
Livermore, California, US
10 points!!! lol I'm glad you said that to her. I hate when people act like their kids are incapable of doing anything wrong and that if they did it was because they were forced lol. I can understand a mother's concern for her child, but she shouldnt have said what she said, even if thats what she was thinking.
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
Kinetic Photography wrote:
Nothing as far as I am concerned. However, if her mother is afraid that I, because I am a photographer, will make advances on her, then her mother should consider that her daughter is having sex with people other than photographers. If her mother is concerned about her daughters sex life, which she indicated she was, then it would be in her best interest to look at other people in her daughters life and not me, a photographer. I agree!! I mean, photographers having sex with models? like THAT could ever happen!
Photographer
Lotus Photography
Posts: 19253
Berkeley, California, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if people were considered as adults before they reach middle age? not to be cynical, but wouldn't it be cool if people acted like adults before they reached middle age or, hell... even the the white house.. be nice if congress acted it's age..
if hl menekin was alive today...
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
lotusphoto wrote:
not to be cynical, but wouldn't it be cool if people acted like adults before they reached middle age or, hell... even the the white house.. be nice if congress acted it's age..
if hl menekin was alive today... This is the Bevis/Butthead generation
oink, oink, .... snort, snort, oink
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
DigitalCMH wrote:
Y? I'd rather have that Angel on your shoulder. Annalisa ... she'll be back on Monday.
Stay tuned. She's one of my favorite supermodels.
Photographer
Kevin Connery
Posts: 17825
El Segundo, California, US
RohanB wrote:
Listen, I have read this thread and just want to make a few points.
In some states, being not the guardian of a child, it is against the law for them to even be in your prescence without their legal guardian. Because in your care you are responsible for their welfare at that given moment. Only if she was an emancipated minor where she can make decisions for herself cause she has had a child or living on her own is when she can be alone with you. Doesn't that make it difficult for...
taxi drivers, or bus drivers in otherwise empty busses?
Neighbors helping out (even though you dis say LEO wouldn't do anything, if the law says it's illegal...)
Clerks in smaller stores?
Doctors, nurses...
Police?
Teachers, coaches, ...
Adult passenger in a car driven by a minor?
Wow. I'm glad that "law" didn't apply where and when I was a child.
Photographer
RohanB
Posts: 167
Brooklyn, Indiana, US
Kevin Connery wrote:
Doesn't that make it difficult for...
taxi drivers, or bus drivers in otherwise empty busses?
Neighbors helping out (even though you dis say LEO wouldn't do anything, if the law says it's illegal...)
Clerks in smaller stores?
Doctors, nurses...
Police?
Teachers, coaches, ...
Adult passenger in a car driven by a minor?
Wow. I'm glad that "law" didn't apply where and when I was a child. well that's the point, they make the laws to enforce it upon people who intend to or do harm to a minor. It's like a catch 22...
Photographer
Benjamen McGuire
Posts: 3991
Portland, Oregon, US
Kinetic Photography wrote:
Nothing as far as I am concerned. However, if her mother is afraid that I, because I am a photographer, will make advances on her, then her mother should consider that her daughter is having sex with people other than photographers. If her mother is concerned about her daughters sex life, which she indicated she was, then it would be in her best interest to look at other people in her daughters life and not me, a photographer. One thing has nothing to do with the other. The fact that you think it does tells me where your mind is.
Photographer
Vito
Posts: 4582
Brooklyn, New York, US
James Jackson wrote:
Still looking for evidence of a professional photographer being convicted of raping or murdering a woman.
This was an amateur photographer who had an OMP account and also he is as far as I can tell (since the news articles are no longer up) only *accused* of doing bad things. Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Here ya go:
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/xp-67980
and while Bob Shell may have had an OMP account, if I recall, he was a professional photographer and an editor of SHUTTERBUG Magazine. While he didn't actually shoot her or knife her, he contributed heavily to her death and then tried to cover it up. This was the first article (and one going rather easier on Shell than others I read) that I found online.
Photographer
Vito
Posts: 4582
Brooklyn, New York, US
Trevasia wrote:
10 points!!! lol I'm glad you said that to her. I hate when people act like their kids are incapable of doing anything wrong and that if they did it was because they were forced lol. I can understand a mother's concern for her child, but she shouldnt have said what she said, even if thats what she was thinking. So if the OP found on your MySpace (this is all hypothetical) that you like screwing donkeys and ostriches but your bf/husband doesn't know this, and your bf/husband said to the photographer "I heard a lot of things that have happened with photographers, I want someone to be there with her", it would be perfectly fine to say to your bf/husband, "Oh, it's okay for her to f*ck donkeys and exotic birds but not shoot with me?". The OP should have acted like a professional and not outted the daughter to the mother, no matter what. The mother may know what the daughter is up to, but it is not her photographers place to tell her.
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