Kinetic Photography wrote:
Okay so we all know that all photographers are pedophiles, rapists and murderers.

You forgot to say terrorists.

CLT wrote:

You forgot to say terrorists.

It takes way less than that to be a terrorist.  I thought it was a given.

CLT wrote:

You forgot to say terrorists.

2nd   it was funny i been watching "to ceach a predator" on date line it is funny never have they caught a photographer Dr.s, Rabies, teachers, people that work in the high tech industry but no photographers HMMMM

nathan combs wrote:
2nd   it was funny i been watching "to ceach a predator" on date line it is funny never have they caught a photographer Dr.s, Rabies, teachers, people that work in the high tech industry but no photographers HMMMM

Not only that, the cameras caught them.

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I am tired of automatically being put on the same level as convicted molesters and rapists merely because I am a photographer.  Photographers did ABSOLUTELY nothing to deserve their reputation.

Sorry, there have been photographers, two in Canada in the last year that I know of that took advantage of underage models and one from the US who murdered the model. Granted, a small percentage, but in the news!!!!

I never shoot an underage model with out the Guardian.... period.  I just let a request from a OMP model to shoot because the Parent was giving her blessing but refused to be there!

nathan combs wrote:

2nd   it was funny i been watching "to ceach a predator" on date line it is funny never have they caught a photographer Dr.s, Rabies, teachers, people that work in the high tech industry but no photographers HMMMM

oh god I watch that show at 3am after I've gotten home from the bars and I'm wasted. that with a cup of milk and a bag of cheetos is a good end to the night

nathan combs wrote:

2nd   it was funny i been watching "to ceach a predator" on date line it is funny never have they caught a photographer Dr.s, Rabies, teachers, people that work in the high tech industry but no photographers HMMMM

I think it's funny that the people at DateLine caught rabies.  Talk about occupational hazards...




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Just kidding with you...

Jessalyn_54 wrote:

oh god I watch that show at 3am after I've gotten home from the bars and I'm wasted. that with a cup of milk and a bag of cheetos is a good end to the night

lol i think we as photographers are getting the blame for what the guys on the show are doing Evin though they have caught over 150 people and 0 photographers in the bunch

Experimental Photoworks wrote:
I'm courious how many potentail cleints did you just lose because of calling her daughter a slut?

I think escorts are dumb but I also know that comercial shoots usally have a full crew working with them so if either photographer or model can't get their act together and do a fantactic job with a full set neither will make it very far.

yes commercial shoots have people BUT THEY USUALLY DO NOT HAVE HYSTERICAL MOTHERS!

Jack Checkowy wrote:

Sorry, there have been photographers, two in Canada in the last year that I know of that took advantage of underage models and one from the US who murdered the model. Granted, a small percentage, but in the news!!!!

I never shoot an underage model with out the Guardian.... period.  I just let a request from a OMP model to shoot because the Parent was giving her blessing but refused to be there!

Two in Canada and one on America....that doesnt even equal a "percentage".  In America we have 4,500 women murdered every year.  We have about 125,000 or more sexually assualted.  How many by photographers ? 
Also, at the end of this models junior year of high school she went to Europe with 10 kids and two male adults from her school.  Its a good thing a male adult student has NEVER been convicted of having sex with a female student because that could have been dangerous.  I mean, its not like she went to a foreign country with an adult male and he was a photographer !!!!

Experimental Photoworks wrote:
I'm courious how many potentail cleints did you just lose because of calling her daughter a slut?

I think escorts are dumb but I also know that comercial shoots usally have a full crew working with them so if either photographer or model can't get their act together and do a fantactic job with a full set neither will make it very far.

i think it shows that the parents are not looking in the right direction there looking in the left hand when it is the right that they should be worried about

Danella L. wrote:
i think you did an excellent job at telling that to her mom!!! she just knows deep inside that the little girl she raised turned into a little slut, so she is very sensitive and over reactive about it.
she is probably furious not because you "could potentially make sexual advances to her", but because she knows that her daughter probably would hook up with you for more photos. not that you would want to anyway.
i am probably generalizing, but it seems to me that way, this one time... sorry

That's right, truth is bitter while lies are candy coated. She wouldn't worry if she thought her daughter knew better, but since it is suggested otherwise...

Danella L. wrote:

yes commercial shoots have people BUT THEY USUALLY DO NOT HAVE HYSTERICAL MOTHERS!

no that is what the art director is for....

Jack Checkowy wrote:
there have been photographers, two in Canada in the last year that I know of that took advantage of underage models and one from the US who murdered the model. Granted, a small percentage, but in the news!!!!

oh?  Do tell... Please... Post links... IN FACT come over to "the thread" and post the links to these articles and records of convicted felons who are also professional photographers... please.. please... we've been looking for documentable actual data.

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I didnt call the girl a slut, I would never call a girl a slut.  I just mentioned that she was having sex with a few other guys.  Has our society become so jaded and sheltered that a 17 yr old girl has to have her mom with her around a photographer ?  The whole point of this is that EVERY model I work with spends hours everyday , unsupervised, around other adults and yet parents are allowing of this...but NO WAY will a female be around a photographer.  We all know how dangerous photographers.

I'd say the 17 year old girl was the dangerous one in the encounter you were trying to set up.

Mikel Featherston wrote:

I'd say the 17 year old girl was the dangerous one in the encounter you were trying to set up.

i agree 100%

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
I would just like to point out, though, seriously, that you kind of sound like wanted to "make advances" in your OP because you go straight from explaining that you realised she dates older men and is sexually active to asking her mother if she could be at the shoot alone.  .

I pointed out that she hangs out with older guys because I think its odd that her mother would be so afraid of me, a photographer, but not other guys.  This is the double standard that photographers have to deal with.  Her mother lets her be alone with other guys, why not a photographer.  For the record, I have never hooked up with a single model, EVER !!

Kinetic Photography wrote:

I pointed out that she hangs out with older guys because I think its odd that her mother would be so afraid of me, a photographer, but not other guys.  This is the double standard that photographers have to deal with.  Her mother lets her be alone with other guys, why not a photographer.  For the record, I have never hooked up with a single model, EVER !!

Then why consider putting yourself in a situation where you can be accused of it by the 17 year old who clearly has a taste for older men?

James Jackson wrote:

oh?  Do tell... Please... Post links... IN FACT come over to "the thread" and post the links to these articles and records of convicted felons who are also professional photographers... please.. please... we've been looking for documentable actual data.

The only professional photographer that I know of who killed a model was Charles Rathburn.  He killed Linda Sobek in 1996 in Los Angeles.  He was well known and her agency set her up with him for a shoot in the desert.  They were alone on the shoot.  DANGEROUS !!!!  However, that year in Los Angeles County alone, 300 women were killed by non-photographers, lol.  Go figure

Mikel Featherston wrote:

Then why consider putting yourself in a situation where you can be accused of it by the 17 year old who clearly has a taste for older men?

i think it is that we as photographers think with our cameras and get tied up in getting what photos we are trying to get that we do not see every thing around a given situation

Mikel Featherston wrote:

Then why consider putting yourself in a situation where you can be accused of it by the 17 year old who clearly has a taste for older men?

Because i want good pictures and i trust that most people are honest and wont make false accusations.  I am not one of these people who worry all the time about being alone with models and liability.  Along the same lines as models being afraid of photographer, photographers are overly afraid of models accusing them of something innapropiate.

nathan combs wrote:

i think it is that we as photographers think with our cameras and get tied up in getting what photos we are trying to get that we do not see every thing around a given situation

As caught up as I can get in my photography, I'd have to say that the number 17 would still show up in big flashing type.

Kinetic Photography wrote:

Because i want good pictures and i trust that most people are honest and wont make false accusations.  I am not one of these people who worry all the time about being alone with models and liability.  Along the same lines as models being afraid of photographer, photographers are overly afraid of models accusing them of something innapropiate.

you sed it better than me

Kinetic Photography wrote:
The only professional photographer that I know of who killed a model was Charles Rathburn.  He killed Linda Sobek in 1996 in Los Angeles.  He was well known and her agency set her up with him for a shoot in the desert.  They were alone on the shoot.  DANGEROUS !!!!  However, that year in Los Angeles County alone, 300 women were killed by non-photographers, lol.  Go figure

No no no!

He said:

Jack Checkowy wrote:
there have been photographers, two in Canada in the last year that I know of that took advantage of underage models and one from the US who murdered the model. Granted, a small percentage, but in the news!!!!

He said there was a murder of a model in the US WITHIN THE LAST YEAR  Where is this news story??? Where's the court documentation?  Who was the photographers, Where did it happen, When in the last year, What did he do exactly, Why did he do it, and How did he accomplish all this without appearing in one US news broadcast?

Farenell Photography wrote:
I saw nothing wrong w/ the mother's requests &/or her reasonings

You should probably get new glasses then.

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I told her I took offense to that and asked why I would be any different then any other guy she was alone with.  The mother stammered and then said "well because you are a photographer and it wouldnt be appropiate" .  I said "of course, I should have known.  Its a good thing all of those other guys she is having sex with arent photographers"  Well, suffice it to say the mother started yelling and blah blah blah.

I am tired of automatically being put on the same level as convicted molesters and rapists merely because I am a photographer.  Photographers did ABSOLUTELY nothing to deserve their reputation.  My father told me when he was in college studying photo-journalism that people actually liked and respected photographers.

NOW my question to you is this..... WERE YOU GETTING PAID FOR THOSE SHOOTS WITH THIS GIRL!!???

Dear friend i find your behavior quite unacceptable and what i mean is she may have been from "I da Ho" but man  there was no need to bring  that up in the convo even if the mother got you up side ya head... tell me you were not getting paid

hope she does not give you a reputation

James Jackson wrote:
You should probably get new glasses then.

How you figure?

Kinetic Photography wrote:
The golden rule is that a female can NEVER be left alone with a photographer because at any given moment they might STRIKE.....sexually.

The mom was understanding but accused me of trying to be alone with her daughter so I could make "advances" toward her.  I told her I took offense to that and asked why I would be any different then any other guy she was alone with.  The mother stammered and then said "well because you are a photographer and it wouldnt be appropiate" .  I said "of course, I should have known.  Its a good thing all of those other guys she is having sex with arent photographers"  Well, suffice it to say the mother started yelling and blah blah blah.

I am tired of automatically being put on the same level as convicted molesters and rapists merely because I am a photographer.  Photographers did ABSOLUTELY nothing to deserve their reputation.  My father told me when he was in college studying photo-journalism that people actually liked and respected photographers.

Knowing what you know about the girl, I think it was stupid to ask to be one on one.  Especially under the pretense that she'll open more without her mom there.  And then, you say what I bolded above.  Sorry dude, that was just absolutely stupid.  Right or wrong, you called her daughter a slut right after you asked to have a one-on-one shoot.

You do the math.