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Iona Lynn wrote: Very sound advice from both TX and Iona. Jun 24 06 06:08 pm Link All this wasted bandwith. Why not just hit the delete button and pop a valium? Jun 24 06 06:08 pm Link Alex C wrote: I'm trying to be constructive here so bear with me. You look fine but you have NO exceptonal photographs that show you "grace" anything. Not a single image is bad in any way but neither is it exceptional enough to give me the idea that you would make my portfolio so much better that I should pay you for you time. True I'd trade you mine but nothing more than that. Right now you look like a GWC's Deream model minus the nudity they hope for. You need something with a GREAT photographer, MUA and stylist team if glamour is your thing. To short for fashion you know. Then use that image as your main and maybe your luck would change. As is you look "Indiana" hot. You need to step it up if you expect to be a "professional" model pullling in the paying gigs. Look around and see some of the profiles of the more successful models in the area you want to compete in. See how thier images look. Then hire a coulpe of the crews that made them that way and kick your book up a couple of notches. Jun 24 06 06:10 pm Link What Mike said. Jun 24 06 06:14 pm Link https://www.modelmayhem.com/pics.php?id=159886 Here's a short model with a DYNAMIC book.....compare hers to yours..HONESTLY now. Mike Jun 24 06 06:22 pm Link Patrick Walberg wrote: First of all Patrick, Jun 24 06 06:25 pm Link Both Jay Bowman adn Iona Lynn are very very correct. Its the client/market that sets your price. NOT the photographers. Photographers are just that, photographers. They are part of the process like you, they do not pay Models. They like you get paid through the client or some representative. You are a pretty face, just like many other pretty faces. Some are more pretty than yours and some less. What makes a difference sis how you take over the image and make it your own. All you images have the same facial expression, you don't bring anything new or different to your photos. As a buyer or your face/body how do we know what you can bring other than that face? Where are you published? How long have you modeled? Can you pull of the project or campaign the way the client want it? Can't tell with this portfolio. Good luck and know the business better. M Iona Lynn wrote: Jun 24 06 06:33 pm Link Here I go again. I don't think the OP should invest any real money in shooting. Why not, you ask? Because what she has is good enough to let anyone intrested know what they will get. She's not a fashion model. She's a net-glamour model. What some of the net-glamour models miss is that many of the photographers that want to pay them could get all the models they could handle with a aggresive marketing and advertising plan. I've seen it done. Instead of paying a model with a poor attitude spend just a bit more and buy a newspaper ad or some space on a popular web site. However back to the OP for her to spend money suggests what she has could be improved and while it could it won't make her taller or better looking(she's pretty) or thinner or even more important nicer. I think what several people here have said is the key. Its the attitude. Everyone of those TFP could offers means someone who looked at her profile and ad and was intrested in working with her. Although they offered TFP a smart salesperson knows EVERYTHING is negotiable. So say no to the TFP offer but ask what sort of budget they might be working with. Maybe she was asking $50.00 per hour and the photographer offering TFP really likes her look and more important finds her to be cool says, hey I can't pay $50.00 per hour but would you accept $30.00 per hour. Ding; maybe we have a sale. The point is to leave even the TFP people with a feeling of this is a cool ass girl. There is a old saying, Always be closing. Real estate people know it and models should learn it. Jun 24 06 06:35 pm Link I don't feel like quoting the other posts...... Of course Cindy Crawford had her book built by TFP....but this is the internet...and Cindy was a super model in the making....can't compare. Everyone else can take what they want out the rest and go from there.... Alex asked why she wasn't getting a response for paid work, I gave my opinion. Jun 24 06 06:51 pm Link Adrienne Aurora wrote: That was rude. Just to remind you though, I am representing Romania more than Indiana. Thanks for at least stopping by though. Jun 24 06 06:53 pm Link Alex C wrote: Welcome to the internet. Everyone thinks the electric company dose TFP too as well as the phone company, Internet and the bankers. Jun 24 06 06:56 pm Link Adrienne Aurora wrote: And there is SOOO much more talent in GA? Thought we were closer to Chicago? Jun 24 06 07:03 pm Link It's a gross oversimplification, but: Category 1: Category 2: Seems you're setting yourself up to be in category numero uno. It's your choice, either way... but if you want great photos, and not JUST money, I would suggest category 2. Jun 24 06 07:04 pm Link E-Strippers? Jun 24 06 07:06 pm Link Alex C wrote: So I'm imagining that the pics in your port are from the one photographer that you paid. Surely, you wouldn't expect to be paid for your grace and get copies of the pictures as well. Jun 24 06 07:15 pm Link Alex C wrote: If I may speak, your highness: Jun 24 06 07:17 pm Link 00siris wrote: No, sorry. Many images in my port were done at TFP sessions with awesome photographers. You are soooo sarcastic. Jun 24 06 07:21 pm Link Julie-Michelle wrote: Julie Michelle, I don't have to make you look bad. You've pretty much done it yourself. Don't twist my words. I never consider myself a "big-shot." I am not 100% right either, like I've said plenty of times, I was voicing my concern and emotion. Jun 24 06 07:25 pm Link Paris Felinni wrote: Again, the internet makes my ego seem inflated. My ego is fine the way it is. Jun 24 06 07:27 pm Link Alex C wrote: ..sounds like a personal attack to me.. Jun 24 06 07:32 pm Link QM Photography wrote: No, I was just restating what she said. I do not make anyone look bad. If she thinks she looks bad, it is not because of me. Jun 24 06 07:36 pm Link Mike Walker wrote: Yeah, I love Ana's work! I'd pay to work with her... Jun 24 06 08:05 pm Link Alex C wrote: Let's define terms. Jun 24 06 08:22 pm Link And you definitely aren't one of them. Jun 24 06 08:41 pm Link *wanders in and hugs friends* Ok I'm back from modeling for one shoot, finding locations for several others, possibly booking a few more as the photographer, delivering prints that have been sold, hiring a friend to do some matting for more prints, hiring a bondage rigger for a few other shoots, What did I miss while I was away? Jun 24 06 09:31 pm Link This is getting ugly..............................// these posting always end on a negative :-P Jun 24 06 09:38 pm Link Iona Lynn wrote: ... a bondage rigger... oh my we are branching out Jun 24 06 09:39 pm Link Alex, you're making yourself look really, really awful. I would stop this conversation, delete all the things you've said, and perhaps even ask a mod to lock it. It's not doing you ANY good. The worst of TX's posted photos is FAR superior to your best photo. That's not a personal attack, that's my personal opinion. However, I think many people would agree with me. Compare:  to  Alex C wrote: TXPhotog wrote: Alex C wrote: Jun 24 06 09:46 pm Link Get over it already....and use a ladder if you have to. Jun 24 06 09:48 pm Link Ok, lets wrap it up. You aren't getting paid shoots b/c photogs do not think you are worth paying. Most photogs who are going to pay you, are going to paid by someone else(a client)....if they're going to pay someone they can probably find someone better looking and more experienced than yourself. So what do you do? You keep working on your port TFP until you get to a hire level b/c hunny as everyone is saying..you just aren't there. If you want to be there with minimal experience then find yourself and agent...The people on here are giving you solid advice and insight you refuse to except as my mum always says "poo poo pah choo for you". I hope i got this stuff correct? Jun 24 06 10:07 pm Link this might sound like a silly question, but if it is a job that is paid a normal models day rate, why would the photographer/client hire a model off MM or OMP who is not even with an agency, when he can just cast from an agency in his area? Jun 24 06 10:21 pm Link If you want some cash for your work GET AN AGENT! The internet will never pay your rent, at best it will give you a bit of exposure and some valuable industry knowlege. ( there are exceptions) Further in this business you NEED thick skin and the ability to ge graceful even when under fire. Kill them with kindness but still be true to yourself and your values. Now let us look at the picture you have painted, step out of yourself and look at yourself from an others perspective. What do you see, and how would you respond to this woman and her post? Marketing is a HUGE factor when getting paid ( in any industry)...why you ask....simple; nothing sells if nobody knows about it.... So how do you want people to percieve you? Do you think all publicity is good publicity? Ok..now let us ask another question: what type of person do you want people to think you are? This is for you to decide. Art is about emotion and image, some are good and some are bad in the sense that we can love it or hate it. Know your enemy...the world is a stage and we all wear a mask.....people pay for a personality..they want to see inside one's mind..all the intimate details..although they are pretend. If you want cash you have to make people want to give it to you. We pay for skill and to explore the imaginary...we sell ideas everyday... Play the game and take lessons from the masters.. your question is more deep then pay me now...please don't pretend you are not asking "HOW TO GET PAID". So if you ask, you shall recieve, just be prepared for the truth.... yes it can be hurt even sting..but experience is the greatest teacher provided to mankind. Pain as some say is the initiation to life, feel it; if wise and receptive it will only make you better. I do apologize for being abstract, it is just part of my nature, I see the reality of the situation and I also commend you for having spunk, just remeber to play the game well  Money only means so much, respect and wisdom is everlasting "A person starts to live when he can live outside himself." Albert Einstein I wish you much success, Isys Jun 24 06 10:38 pm Link You guys are all nuts Jun 24 06 10:38 pm Link Alex, no matter what you do, please don't ever duplicate a shot where there is a church spire thrusting through your arm and your hand doing something, not sure what to your rear. Jun 24 06 10:39 pm Link Alex C wrote: Thank you I try very hard to contribute to the Mayhem Jun 24 06 10:42 pm Link rachelrose wrote: *********** Jun 24 06 10:43 pm Link Isys Entertainment wrote: Hey, I sent you a message.... Jun 24 06 10:43 pm Link KM von Seidl wrote: Please add that to the comments for that picture if you really feel so. Jun 24 06 10:45 pm Link Alex C wrote: Okay... Jun 24 06 10:58 pm Link I can't believe this has gone on this long. It all boils down to just another young, inexperienced, egotistical girl (to call her a woman is an insult to all the mature females out there) who thinks she is far above everyone because of her pretty face and big breasts - whether it be a model, socialite, or club hopper who must have the last word - simply stated, a grown up brat. Nothing anyone here can say or do will sway her. Only experience will humble her. Jun 24 06 11:03 pm Link |
