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Model Instincts wrote:
I've thought about it for the past few weeks.  I was researching online on how many aspirins it would take.

Salary cuts...debt...losing friendships.  I can't take it.

After a falling out with my friend, I have absolutely no one to talk to.

Conceptually Black wrote:
I believe in tough love, so here is what I have to say. Suicide is selfish. Don't do it.
People you don't even know care about you, give them time to meet you.

Ditto.

There are people who care. People you can talk to. A lot of them right here in this thread. Do not give up.

Don't look for a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Jun 03 09 06:50 pm Link

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Divo Models

Posts: 5469

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

Model Instincts wrote:
I've thought about it for the past few weeks.  I was researching online on how many aspirins it would take.

Salary cuts...debt...losing friendships.  I can't take it.

After a falling out with my friend, I have absolutely no one to talk to.

Ditto.

There are people who care. People you can talk to. A lot of them right here in this thread. Do not give up.

Don't look for a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Why would anyone care?  What difference would it make if there is one less person?

Gee, I never thought I would be on this thread.

Jun 03 09 06:56 pm Link

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Alexandria Georgiades

Posts: 26817

Sierra Vista, Arizona, US

Conceptually Black wrote:

I believe in tough love, so here is what I have to say. Suicide is selfish. Don't do it.
People you don't even know care about you, give them time to meet you.

Granted, there are people we can talk too, but suicide is not selfish. If you have ever reached this point, it's not about selfishness, it's about reaching a level of depression to the point that the pain is not just emotional, it has become physical as well. Suicide is literally the end of the road and patience both emotionally and physically.

I've been there, and I'm still there. It's a constant struggle. Yes, talking with friends, or even strangers helps only so far.

Jun 03 09 06:56 pm Link

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Alexandria Georgiades

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Sierra Vista, Arizona, US

Model Instincts wrote:

Why would anyone care?  What difference would it make if there is one less person?

Gee, I never thought I would be on this thread.

Neither did I, but don't give in....

Jun 03 09 06:57 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

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Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Model Instincts wrote:

Why would anyone care?  What difference would it make if there is one less person?

Gee, I never thought I would be on this thread.

People care because that's what they know. It comes naturally to some people. It's who and what they are.

One less person is one less person. One less straw and the proverbial camel's back wouldn't have broken. One less bolt in the bridge and it collapses.

It always makes a difference. Always. I was there. Wanted so badly to just end it all. I didn't care about anything else but seeking the end. Then I posted here. I found out that some people that I don't even know do care. They not only calmed me down right then and there, they continue to show they care even after my crisis is past. They weren't just saying it to make me feel better.

Those who post here.....they do care. It matters.

Jun 03 09 07:35 pm Link

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Alexandria Georgiades

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Sierra Vista, Arizona, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

People care because that's what they know. It comes naturally to some people. It's who and what they are.

One less person is one less person. One less straw and the proverbial camel's back wouldn't have broken. One less bolt in the bridge and it collapses.

It always makes a difference. Always. I was there. Wanted so badly to just end it all. I didn't care about anything else but seeking the end. Then I posted here. I found out that some people that I don't even know do care. They not only calmed me down right then and there, they continue to show they care even after my crisis is past. They weren't just saying it to make me feel better.

Those who post here.....they do care. It matters.

QFT...well said. I haven't posted here often, but just reading some of the posts have helped me get past the stage of giving up.

Jun 03 09 09:38 pm Link

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Dannielle Levan

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New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

People care because that's what they know. It comes naturally to some people. It's who and what they are.

One less person is one less person. One less straw and the proverbial camel's back wouldn't have broken. One less bolt in the bridge and it collapses.

It always makes a difference. Always. I was there. Wanted so badly to just end it all. I didn't care about anything else but seeking the end. Then I posted here. I found out that some people that I don't even know do care. They not only calmed me down right then and there, they continue to show they care even after my crisis is past. They weren't just saying it to make me feel better.

Those who post here.....they do care. It matters.

+ a bajillion.

I post here for the same reasons - and cos i know how bad it feels not having someone to talk to.

Jun 04 09 02:11 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

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Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Dannielle Levan wrote:

+ a bajillion.

I post here for the same reasons - and cos i know how bad it feels not having someone to talk to.

Lotsa hugs to you and thanks for the nice comment you wrote about me in a previous post here. You are wonderful also.

Jun 04 09 07:28 pm Link

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Dannielle Levan

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New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

Lotsa hugs to you and thanks for the nice comment you wrote about me in a previous post here. You are wonderful also.

YW! smile

Jun 05 09 02:37 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

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Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Bumpy bumpy bump.

Jun 06 09 04:14 am Link

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EvaScarlet

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Los Angeles, California, US

Taboo Nudes wrote:

Granted, there are people we can talk too, but suicide is not selfish. If you have ever reached this point, it's not about selfishness, it's about reaching a level of depression to the point that the pain is not just emotional, it has become physical as well. Suicide is literally the end of the road and patience both emotionally and physically.

Absolute truth.
I detest the "suicide is selfish" line...  Regardless of the intention, it just seems so glib and off base.  Unless you have actually reached that point yourself, you can never understand the pinnacle of misery and hopelessness that it represents.  I was just explaining this to my boyfriend last night, ironically...(after he used the "selfish" line).  I was trying to think of how to explain it to him, and all I could come up with was to imagine that your head was on fire, and there was a bucket of water right at your feet.  Your head is on fire, you are in excruciating pain, you want to put the fire out more than anything on this earth.......and there, behind you, are people scoffing that reaching for that bucket of water is just pure selfishness.

I know it's an odd analogy- but that's exactly how it feels. 
Never been to this thread before, since it hit way too close to home (yes, I know that's its purpose!) but stumbled in tonight...

Glad to see all of you...

Jun 06 09 04:33 am Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

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Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

EvaScarlet wrote:

Absolute truth.
I detest the "suicide is selfish" line...  Regardless of the intention, it just seems so glib and off base.  Unless you have actually reached that point yourself, you can never understand the pinnacle of misery and hopelessness that it represents.  I was just explaining this to my boyfriend last night, ironically...(after he used the "selfish" line).  I was trying to think of how to explain it to him, and all I could come up with was to imagine that your head was on fire, and there was a bucket of water right at your feet.  Your head is on fire, you are in excruciating pain, you want to put the fire out more than anything on this earth.......and there, behind you, are people scoffing that reaching for that bucket of water is just pure selfishness.

I know it's an odd analogy- but that's exactly how it feels. 
Never been to this thread before, since it hit way too close to home (yes, I know that's its purpose!) but stumbled in tonight...

Glad to see all of you...

Thanks for stopping in. I hope you'll spend some time here with us.

That is an very apt analogy, also. Fitting on quite a few levels, actually. I'll take that analogy a bit further if I may:

The water represents your life. The fire your torment. Those around you are "thirsty" to share some of your life with you, so they each want to drink from the bucket. However, sometimes that fire gets to the point where you need to use your own water to put it out and at that moment, there is none left for anyone else to drink.

People need to realize that if they help you with your fire, they'll have more of that water to drink.

Jun 06 09 05:02 am Link

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JadeDRed

Posts: 5620

London, England, United Kingdom

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

Thanks for stopping in. I hope you'll spend some time here with us.

That is an very apt analogy, also. Fitting on quite a few levels, actually. I'll take that analogy a bit further if I may:

The water represents your life. The fire your torment. Those around you are "thirsty" to share some of your life with you, so they each want to drink from the bucket. However, sometimes that fire gets to the point where you need to use your own water to put it out and at that moment, there is none left for anyone else to drink.

People need to realize that if they help you with your fire, they'll have more of that water to drink.

That is very apt!

Jun 06 09 05:06 am Link

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Dannielle Levan

Posts: 12865

New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

I think i'm feeling a bit stagnant with my photography.  I need to do something different but i dunno what :

Jun 06 09 03:39 pm Link

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Pathogenic Confessions

Posts: 20332

Racine, Minnesota, US

Balls!
Another photoshoot attempt FAILED.

No shooting for 9 weeks hmm
And I am really sick, they may cancel my surgery
sad

Jun 06 09 03:50 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

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Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Dannielle Levan wrote:
I think i'm feeling a bit stagnant with my photography.  I need to do something different but i dunno what :

Jun 06 09 04:55 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Pathogenic Confessions wrote:
Balls!
Another photoshoot attempt FAILED.

No shooting for 9 weeks hmm
And I am really sick, they may cancel my surgery
sad

Sorry about your surgery. Hope it all works out.

Wish you lived closer. I'd have so much fun shooting with you...if you would want to shoot with me that is. smile I wouldn't cancel on ya.

Jun 06 09 04:58 pm Link

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Sandy Reagin

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Atlanta, Georgia, US

Topless New York wrote:
Sorry, not to rain on a pretty good idea, but shouldn't this really be in Off-Topic?

...umm, yeah, it IS

Jun 06 09 05:43 pm Link

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Dannielle Levan

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New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

Do what I do when the weather gets nice. Get outside with a model and throw him/her in the water. Fun times. Just make sure they don't drown.

Gahahaa.  My hubby wants some headshots but i have no idea what to do honestly.
I have a shoot lined up at the end of the month with a friend of mine.  Bit miffed cos my usual awesome MUA might not be available.  Which means i have to find another one, lol.

Jun 06 09 05:55 pm Link

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Star Child

Posts: 39289

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Dannielle Levan wrote:
I think i'm feeling a bit stagnant with my photography.  I need to do something different but i dunno what :

Jun 06 09 06:52 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

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Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Kayelless wrote:

take pictures of Photons lol

YAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!

I'll get me a passport and take a roadtrip. I'm due for another one anyway. Stephanie is working so she won't have time for me sad But that's a good thing. big_smile She likes her job.

I'll even bring some models with me.

Jun 06 09 07:20 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

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Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Dannielle Levan wrote:

Gahahaa.  My hubby wants some headshots but i have no idea what to do honestly.
I have a shoot lined up at the end of the month with a friend of mine.  Bit miffed cos my usual awesome MUA might not be available.  Which means i have to find another one, lol.

Something tells me that hubby won't mind if you do a shoot with him and don't use a MUA. Can he swim? If he can, throw him in the water and tell him it's a new way of getting headshots. smile Works for me.

Jun 06 09 07:21 pm Link

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Dannielle Levan

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New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

Dannielle Levan wrote:
Gahahaa.  My hubby wants some headshots but i have no idea what to do honestly.
I have a shoot lined up at the end of the month with a friend of mine.  Bit miffed cos my usual awesome MUA might not be available.  Which means i have to find another one, lol.

Something tells me that hubby won't mind if you do a shoot with him and don't use a MUA. Can he swim? If he can, throw him in the water and tell him it's a new way of getting headshots. smile Works for me.

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

YAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!

I'll get me a passport and take a roadtrip. I'm due for another one anyway. Stephanie is working so she won't have time for me sad But that's a good thing. big_smile She likes her job.

I'll even bring some models with me.

big_smile

Jun 06 09 07:39 pm Link

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Dannielle Levan

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New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Kayelless wrote:

take pictures of Photons lol

Ok but you have to come too, i liek turtles!

Jun 06 09 07:39 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

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Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Dannielle Levan wrote:

Ok but you have to come too, i liek turtles!

Oh, yes!!!!!! Definitely! He can drive up here then we can drive from here up to your place together. Fun fun!

Jun 06 09 07:49 pm Link

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Dannielle Levan

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New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:

Oh, yes!!!!!! Definitely! He can drive up here then we can drive from here up to your place together. Fun fun!

big_smile  That'd be fun for sure.  My husband would go nuts with all the camera-nuts in the house though...

Speaking of, we looked at a nice place today.  I wanna move there so bad!  Gonna let hubby think about it. 
It's HUGE and has approx. 10ft ceilings.

Jun 06 09 07:52 pm Link

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Star Child

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Nashville, Tennessee, US

Dannielle Levan wrote:

big_smile  That'd be fun for sure.  My husband would go nuts with all the camera-nuts in the house though...

Speaking of, we looked at a nice place today.  I wanna move there so bad!  Gonna let hubby think about it. 
It's HUGE and has approx. 10ft ceilings.

way coolness! smile

Jun 07 09 09:23 am Link

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Dannielle Levan

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New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Kayelless wrote:

way coolness! smile

I keep poking him about it, lol.

Jun 07 09 08:14 pm Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

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Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Dannielle Levan wrote:

I keep poking him about it, lol.

Poke harder!

Jun 08 09 03:46 am Link

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Star Child

Posts: 39289

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Hey Mike & Shelby I've updated your blog pages on my site. Check 'em out when you get the chance.

Mike's page

Shelby's page

Jun 08 09 09:47 pm Link

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C Russell Photography

Posts: 1455

Scranton, Arkansas, US

I don't know why I am posting this, but tonight is a really really bad night, was moving a box in my closet looking for stuff and came across letters from my girlfriend who killed herself, I can't help but feel if I had been good enough she wouldn't have done it. I want to sleep, but I can't stop hurting and crying, and I laid down, but I just can't sleep right now, I n'er had problems like this before, but after that happened it's been a roller coaster of emotions, and I feel guilty for even trying to reach out, feel like people are just going to say stop whining, or think I just want attention, or what have you, I just feel that no one really cares when it comes down to it. Everyone has their own problems, why should I bother anyone with mine, I just feel like I am fighting a losing battle.....

Jun 08 09 09:57 pm Link

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291

Posts: 11911

SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US

C Russell Photography wrote:
I just feel like I am fighting a losing battle.....

i won an appeal today on a work related issue.  yesterday i felt i was losing.  today i won.  therein lies the importance of tomorrow.  one shouldn't deny oneself in what it might bring.

Jun 08 09 10:07 pm Link

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Star Child

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Nashville, Tennessee, US

C Russell Photography wrote:
I don't know why I am posting this, but tonight is a really really bad night, was moving a box in my closet looking for stuff and came across letters from my girlfriend who killed herself, I can't help but feel if I had been good enough she wouldn't have done it. I want to sleep, but I can't stop hurting and crying, and I laid down, but I just can't sleep right now, I n'er had problems like this before, but after that happened it's been a roller coaster of emotions, and I feel guilty for even trying to reach out, feel like people are just going to say stop whining, or think I just want attention, or what have you, I just feel that no one really cares when it comes down to it. Everyone has their own problems, why should I bother anyone with mine, I just feel like I am fighting a losing battle.....

A big low can be triggered by a memory of something like that........ yeah, the pain and the feeling of helplessness as well as having to deal with things now that she is gone.

I kind of felt the same way when my mother passed away. My finances were messed up and couldn't afford to pay for a decent funeral. That ate me up... and ultimately is what got me to seek help.
With the assistance of my therapist I learned to stop blaming myself for the way things work out. 

There is no shame in feeling sad or speaking about it... you hurt. That's not a bad thing. Whining? Those who must perceive it that way have to deal with their own demons. Their opinion is not yours to ponder.

This thread is here because of people like you and me. We've felt the pain and the struggle...... you're not alone and there are many who understand.

On the final note..... you must fight... you are alive for a reason and the world needs you for that reason.. you will gain for it. you will be better for it, but for now
fight

Jun 08 09 10:13 pm Link

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Dannielle Levan

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New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

291 wrote:

i won an appeal today on a work related issue.  yesterday i felt i was losing.  today i won.  therein lies the importance of tomorrow.  one shouldn't deny oneself in what it might bring.

i like that.  Never deny yourself what tomorrow might bring.  That's usually what keeps me going.

One of the most profound experiences i had, was when i saw myself.
I was about 6-8yrs old.  I saw a vision, i guess, of my older self standing in the kitchen doorway where i was.  She smiled at me.  Everytime i got close to committing suicide it popped into my head and i stopped.
I guess i was telling my younger self that everything would get better, just hold on.  Hold on, it'll be ok someday.

Jun 09 09 12:01 am Link

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Julia Gold

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Honolulu, Hawaii, US

I ate almost a whole bag of chips. The big kind. Luckily it was Sun Chips. Still bad, but not as bad.
I feel horrible. I drank a lot of water, so hopefully that'll settle stuff. Or something.
Shit.
Edit:Plus, I have a huge ass pimple under my nose! Ickkkk. I always get them in the worst places! I want to shoot it.
I feel like a freak. And it hurts...
Plus my mom's starting to make me feel bad, about money and everything. And my friend's keep stealing my food, which may be free for them but not my mom and I. I feel bad since we don't have a dad and she needs to pay for mortgage, my schooling, food, and everything.
I give her all the money I make from my job though. I feel bad. It's like we're poor but she's so proud and stuff. She fights so hard to not be. I don't know how to explain it. Life's been shitty. I don't want her working at a bar at late hours anymore. Or massaging.
Ugh.

Jun 09 09 12:48 am Link

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Dannielle Levan

Posts: 12865

New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Julia Gold wrote:
I ate almost a whole bag of chips. The big kind. Luckily it was Sun Chips. Still bad, but not as bad.
I feel horrible. I drank a lot of water, so hopefully that'll settle stuff. Or something.
Shit.
Edit:Plus, I have a huge ass pimple under my nose! Ickkkk. I always get them in the worst places! I want to shoot it.
I feel like a freak. And it hurts...
Plus my mom's starting to make me feel bad, about money and everything. And my friend's keep stealing my food, which may be free for them but not my mom and I. I feel bad since we don't have a dad and she needs to pay for mortgage, my schooling, food, and everything.
I give her all the money I make from my job though. I feel bad. It's like we're poor but she's so proud and stuff. She fights so hard to not be. I don't know how to explain it. Life's been shitty. I don't want her working at a bar at late hours anymore. Or massaging.
Ugh.

You mom sounds like a strong woman.  it's good to be proud of what you have, even if it may only be a little.  Don't let anyone else bring you down.  Your mom is probably just feeling a bit low and stressed.
And if your friends are stealing food...well, they're not real friends. 
One this i learnt from being homeless is don't be afraid to ask for help!  You're not superwoman.

Jun 09 09 03:57 pm Link

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Julia Gold

Posts: 1359

Honolulu, Hawaii, US

Dannielle Levan wrote:
You mom sounds like a strong woman.  it's good to be proud of what you have, even if it may only be a little.  Don't let anyone else bring you down.  Your mom is probably just feeling a bit low and stressed.
And if your friends are stealing food...well, they're not real friends. 
One this i learnt from being homeless is don't be afraid to ask for help!  You're not superwoman.

Yeah she is, but it's sad that she has to work so hard and all. That's what I hate about some people who still decide to depend on their parents after they graduate and everything. I mean, they need some slack too. Don't make them work till they die for you =/ get a job, grow up.
and the whole friends thing, I think their just looking in on getting free food. Cuz it's not like they politely ask once in a while. Every time they come to my house they empty practically my whole fridge. And ask if I have food before coming -__-

Yeah, help is nice..

Thanks a bunch btw.

Jun 10 09 12:21 am Link

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Dannielle Levan

Posts: 12865

New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Julia Gold wrote:

Yeah she is, but it's sad that she has to work so hard and all. That's what I hate about some people who still decide to depend on their parents after they graduate and everything. I mean, they need some slack too. Don't make them work till they die for you =/ get a job, grow up.
and the whole friends thing, I think their just looking in on getting free food. Cuz it's not like they politely ask once in a while. Every time they come to my house they empty practically my whole fridge. And ask if I have food before coming -__-

Yeah, help is nice..

Thanks a bunch btw.

Jun 10 09 12:41 am Link

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Star Child

Posts: 39289

Nashville, Tennessee, US

There is a difference between feeling sad or down over "life situations" and suffering from depression.  Not to come off as uncaring or inconsiderate , but sometimes I see people posting here with a list of "what's wrong with their lives" pointing to these issues as to why they should feel depressed. I'd like to point out that one needs to be mindful of what we are dealing with here.

There is a real mental illness of depression that causes many problems for those of us who do suffer from it. In many cases we have trouble negotiating just the standard life's routines let alone overcome any special issues.

I'm pointing this out because it would be wrong for someone to use depression as an easy excuse to not take on "life situations" head up. It's much more serious than that.

So I do encourage those who find that dealing with these "life situations" depressing to take a close examination at how you're dealing with them. I can tell you from personal experience that when struggling through depressed "lows" even the positives and good motivations can be huge tasks to work.

As a person who has seen the damage that depression can do to one's life I want to let you know that I don't regard this thread and my role here as someone to sympathize with anyone who feels the need to whine about their life situations. I'm not here for that and I won't support you that way. I'm here to let those who are struggling with depression know that I am someone who is struggling just like they are, but is fighting back and has found ways to win my battle against depression.

I'm here to help others win their battles. I know the first step is addressing the issues, but I'm here to help you take them on and win in the battle against depression.
smile

Jun 11 09 10:11 am Link

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Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 17011

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

Kayelless wrote:
Hey Mike & Shelby I've updated your blog pages on my site. Check 'em out when you get the chance.

Mike's page

Shelby's page

I look like Fifi. Cool. I'm HAWT!!!!! Look at my damn schmexxy self, would ya? tongue

Jun 12 09 03:34 pm Link