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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
Samantha Grace wrote:
That's silly, I have shot with 2 black photographers. It doesn't matter what color you are. As long as I get my $$, or photos. yeah it is silly, but a sad reality. it'd be nice if everyone kept itlike that. shoot, get paid and let's keep it business.
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Nemesis73
Posts: 2442
Dayton, Alabama, US
Mandy McKeating wrote:
no offense, but have you ever read a history book? africans did indeed trade african slaves. sorry to bust your bubble, but hey, facts are facts and wishful thinking is wishful thinking. they still do. there is a white man who goes over to africa ... some anthropologist or activist or something ... he goes to tribes and finds men whose wives and children have been kidnapped, goes to the offending tribe and buys them back for them to be returned. This was on TV no more than 5 years ago. There's footage of him conducting the transactions and getting the women back.
As for racism -- I shoot with latin and black photographers all the time! What's wrong with shooting with non-caucasian photographers? It's not like they all have criminal records, don't bathe and hit on the models just because they're not white!! Hell, if they're worried about safety, 99% of your serial killers are middle aged white men!! Are these bitches that stupid??
N.
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Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
addendum to MM rules:
If you want a heated 10 page post put BLACK in the topic. lol.
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
Nemesis73 wrote:
they still do. there is a white man who goes over to africa ... some anthropologist or activist or something ... he goes to tribes and finds men whose wives and children have been kidnapped, goes to the offending tribe and buys them back for them to be returned. This was on TV no more than 5 years ago. There's footage of him conducting the transactions and getting the women back.
As for racism -- I shoot with latin and black photographers all the time! What's wrong with shooting with non-caucasian photographers? It's not like they all have criminal records, don't bathe and hit on the models just because they're not white!! Hell, if they're worried about safety, 99% of your serial killers are middle aged white men!! Are these bitches that stupid??
N. yes some are because of perception of fear from one and perception of safe with another. Nightlne showed a test that they did with some white kids at a elementary school. They showed a series of black and white people on video/slide asking them who looks safe and who didn't.
They first showed a black guy, who had a frown on his face, the other was straight face shot of a white man. Anyways, the kids said that the white looked safe and that the black man looke dangerous. Long story short, the black man is a young harvard professor who was frowing because the sun ws in his eyes. The white guy was Tymothy McVeigh. American Terrorist.
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THE BARRON
Posts: 72
Mandy McKeating wrote:
no offense, but have you ever read a history book? africans did indeed trade african slaves. sorry to bust your bubble, but hey, facts are facts and wishful thinking is wishful thinking. by the why i never said there was no others forms of slavery the ancient form of african slavery was servitude. You were still a citizen you could even become a ruler your children were not slaves and your were not killed with impunity. They did not find it neccessary to make up a mythology where you were considered an animal and if they had sex with you they had to marry you.Your arguments would be a lot better if you did not start them with an insult and instead did what you accused me of not doing which is to read some history books your self, besides even if Africans had slavery that makes it ok or is it that it makes you feel better the Nazis killed Jews, Gypsies, gays and the retarded so would it be ok if we all did it.
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Tony Culture Photoz
Posts: 1555
Bloomfield, New Jersey, US
Bondo Photo wrote:
You can't blame one race or the other. Morons are morons no matter what color, race, sex, or religion they happen to be. Amen
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giovanni gruttola
Posts: 1279
Middle Island, New York, US
Legacys 7 wrote:
EMG wrote:WTF is wrong with some of these white models?? You dumb asses.. I experienced just a small wiff of this type of prejudice over the weekend.. Anyone else care to share their thoughts???
Plus he confirmed this when he pointed out that someone confirmed that the model stated that she doesn't shoot with black photographers. Although he didn't need that part, because he made it very clear what he had meant....burp. Ahhh... see... this is where things go awry...
A> His OP just states she's a "white" model (as a photographer, that makes him observant)... that's all
THEN
B> "Someone" confirmed it??? A friend of a friend who "knows someone". Sorry but coming from a news background that would never make the press... hiccup
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The Don Mon
Posts: 3315
Ocala, Florida, US
EMG STUDIOS wrote:
WTF is wrong with some of these white models?? You dumb asses.. I experienced just a small wiff of this type of prejudice over the weekend.. Anyone else care to share their thoughts??? word....
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Shyly
Posts: 3870
Pasadena, California, US
There's WAY too much name-calling in here. This post is the cut-off. Any name-calling or flaming that I see after my post earns you a time-out, and I will not care what damn color you are.
Argue with each other's ideas minus the cheap shots.
Thank you.
/moderator
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Ex Voto Studio
Posts: 4985
Columbia, Maryland, US
why don't you furnish the models MM# or something so we can invite her to give her input?..LOL
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THE BARRON
Posts: 72
LM Photography wrote:
You're talking about how racist white people supposedly are and only make yourself look just as racist in my eyes and obviously in lotus' as well. I cannot even believe the way you're talking bud. So can you send me pictures of myself lynching white men or which system of segregation did I start how many white slaves do I have and which white people have I denied a decent education housing or employment people prejudging people is one thing trying to kill and destroy them is another. besides I don't have to talk about how racist white people are they do it themselves by their actions. Bud?
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giovanni gruttola
Posts: 1279
Middle Island, New York, US
So bottom, bottom lining this yet again... and taking out the "color"... we still got a model that flaked on a photographer... bigger yawn
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EMG STUDIOS
Posts: 2033
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Im'age NY (INY) wrote:
Ahhh... see... this is where things go awry...
A> His OP just states she's a "white" model (as a photographer, that makes him observant)... that's all
THEN
B> "Someone" confirmed it??? A friend of a friend who "knows someone". Sorry but coming from a news background that would never make the press... hiccup You're such the detective IM'AGE... meanwhile the press never reveals it sources.. but if you think I'm not telling the truth.. you should ask somebody.. (figure of speech) Seems like I'm not the only one who has experienced this in some form.. Black, white, purple or otherwise!
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Tony Culture Photoz
Posts: 1555
Bloomfield, New Jersey, US
Shyly wrote:
There's WAY too much name-calling in here. This post is the cut-off. Any name-calling or flaming that I see after my post earns you a time-out, and I will not care what damn color you are.
Argue with each other's ideas minus the cheap shots.
Thank you.
/moderator Damn ! Why did it miss my attention, that Shyly is a moderator. Good thing I been behavin' myself.
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Pasha M
Posts: 948
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Barron C wrote:
Slavery has always existed in some form or another but not chattel slavery based on race and on one race to say that ancient africans enslaved people for being white is absurd especially with no proof. Tell me when people of color had sex with people they said were not human and then sent their own children into slavery all the while claiming to be religious, show me a group of black people lynching and killing white children for exercising their rights, show me black cops shooting white unarmed assailants, show me black people practicing a form of apartheid against others show me black people having a picnic while their is a white corpse hanging in a tree behind them. Then maybe I would see your point. I never said ancient africans enslaved white people for no reason. I said those ancient civilizations enslaved all colors of people including white. The reason for enslaving people of any race is the same all the time, because someone feels that another type of person is inferior to them. and yes there were people who were sold into slavery at even that ancient time. the definition of chattel is a personal property either movable or immovable. All forms of slavery is chattel. Being a slave of any kind is being someones personal property.
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KM
Posts: 596
BRONX, New York, US
Legacys 7 wrote:
Is that James Brown's daughter? Wait James brown has a daughter??
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
Im'age NY (INY) wrote:
So bottom, bottom lining this yet again... and taking out the "color"... we still got a model that flaked on a photographer... bigger yawn yeah, if you break rules like you are doing buy taking out the 'color' part. But we both know better than that. bigger burp.
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Tony Culture Photoz
Posts: 1555
Bloomfield, New Jersey, US
Project Photography wrote:
why don't you furnish the models MM# or something so we can invite her to give her input?..LOL Not allowed by MM rules
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
EMG STUDIOS wrote:
You're such the detective IM'AGE... meanwhile the press never reveals it sources.. but if you think I'm not telling the truth.. you should ask somebody.. (figure of speech) Seems like I'm not the only one who has experienced this in some form.. Black, white, purple or otherwise! don't you just luv it when people make uncomplicated things complicated?
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
Random Beauty wrote:
Wait James brown has a daughter?? lol, i was joking around and calling the model james brown's daughter. but yes, he does have kids.
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
Shyly wrote:
There's WAY too much name-calling in here. This post is the cut-off. Any name-calling or flaming that I see after my post earns you a time-out, and I will not care what damn color you are.
Argue with each other's ideas minus the cheap shots.
Thank you.
/moderator thank you.
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EMG STUDIOS
Posts: 2033
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Project Photography wrote:
why don't you furnish the models MM# or something so we can invite her to give her input?..LOL I'm happy to amuze you..
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Manda Mercure
Posts: 506
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Barron C wrote:
by the why i never said there was no others forms of slavery the ancient form of african slavery was servitude. You were still a citizen you could even become a ruler your children were not slaves and your were not killed with impunity. They did not find it neccessary to make up a mythology where you were considered an animal and if they had sex with you they had to marry you.Your arguments would be a lot better if you did not start them with an insult and instead did what you accused me of not doing which is to read some history books your self, besides even if Africans had slavery that makes it ok or is it that it makes you feel better the Nazis killed Jews, Gypsies, gays and the retarded so would it be ok if we all did it. firstly, i did not mean to insult you so i apologise if you took it that way. you're putting words in my mouth though; i am not saying that the fact that africans also took part in a slave trade made the concept of slavery against africans somehow more justified.. but your posts make it out that you are saying slavery and racism are things that only white people are guilty of. i'm simply stating that that is not true. all races have hated another at some point and have done bad things to eachother. no that does not make it ok, but it cannot be pinned on one skin colour.
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giovanni gruttola
Posts: 1279
Middle Island, New York, US
EMG STUDIOS wrote:
You're such the detective IM'AGE... meanwhile the press never reveals it sources.. but if you think I'm not telling the truth.. you should ask somebody.. (figure of speech) Seems like I'm not the only one who has experienced this in some form.. Black, white, purple or otherwise! No the press doesn't reveal it "reliable" sources... I'm commenting on the facts as stated. What was stated was you heard it from someone who said "she dosen't shoot with black photographers". That would be like me saying a friend of mine told me he heard "George Bush eats babies". Hearsay isn't considered verifyable.
And as for me thinking you're not telling the truth... no way... I never said that. I'm sure this is how you feel. The only point I was trying to bring up is the fact it was a shoot gone bad. We've all had them, but what if she was black... would we have spent 7 pages in the forum on it (actually we probably would have 
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THE BARRON
Posts: 72
Pasha Morena wrote:
I never said ancient africans enslaved white people for no reason. I said those ancient civilizations enslaved all colors of people including white. The reason for enslaving people of any race is the same all the time, because someone feels that another type of person is inferior to them. and yes there were people who were sold into slavery at even that ancient time. the definition of chattel is a personal property either movable or immovable. All forms of slavery is chattel. Being a slave of any kind is being someones personal property. Slaves are not always personal property sometimes they are owned by the state in the annals of human history their was never a more cruel form of slavery than that practiced on this continent and really most of us all of us are really slaves economic slaves. I noticed you left out any response to the other parts of my argument my argument was mostly about racism slavery is just one of it's syptoms. Acting as though everyone has treated everyone the same is simply silly it might make you feel better but that does not make it true.
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KM
Posts: 596
BRONX, New York, US
Um if the model specifically said 'I don't shoot with black people'' then thats a problem! But maybe she didn't like ur style of photography. But everyone could be a little prejudice wen it comes to certain things for example whould you buy Chinese food from a Mexican named Pablo? Think about it that's a form of prejudice. I for example won't get threaded by a non south Asian woman.
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Ex Voto Studio
Posts: 4985
Columbia, Maryland, US
Random Beauty wrote:
Um if the model specifically said 'I don't shoot with black people'' then thats a problem! But maybe she didn't like ur style of photography. But everyone could be a little prejudice wen it comes to certain things for example whould you buy Chinese food from a Mexican named Pablo? Think about it that's a form of prejudice. I for example won't get threaded by a non south Asian woman. that makes no sense.... are you saying in this argument that black photogs are not good? I'm pretty sure you probably didn't mean that..so what do you mean?
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giovanni gruttola
Posts: 1279
Middle Island, New York, US
Random Beauty wrote:
Um if the model specifically said 'I don't shoot with black people'' then thats a problem! But maybe she didn't like ur style of photography. Thank you... that's the point I've been trying to make (obviously poorly). If she said it to EMG's face, then by all means the thread is warranted.
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33899
San Francisco, California, US
Im'age NY (INY) wrote:
No the press doesn't reveal it "reliable" sources... I'm commenting on the facts as stated. What was stated was you heard it from someone who said "she dosen't shoot with black photographers". That would be like me saying a friend of mine told me he heard "George Bush eats babies". Hearsay isn't considered verifyable.
And as for me thinking you're not telling the truth... no way... I never said that. I'm sure this is how you feel. The only point I was trying to bring up is the fact it was a shoot gone bad. We've all had them, but what if she was black... would we have spent 7 pages in the forum on it (actually we probably would have yes it would turn to a 7 page and longer. you see these flake pages often.
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THE BARRON
Posts: 72
Mandy McKeating wrote:
firstly, i did not mean to insult you so i apologise if you took it that way. you're putting words in my mouth though; I am not saying that the fact that africans also took part in a slave trade made the concept of slavery against africans somehow more justified.. but your posts make it out that you are saying slavery and racism are things that only white people are guilty of. I'm simply stating that that is not true. all races have hated another at some point and have done bad things to eachother. no that does not make it ok, but it cannot be pinned on one skin colour. So if this is true show me the examples of Africans treating Europeans in the same manner slavery, colonialism, rape of our female ancestors, apartheid, lynching denying the rights of whites to education, housing life and liberty all the while making us pay taxes and fight in your wars against other people of colour.All of us are racist white black brown we all read the same books we all watch the same movies we are all feed the same shit and very few rise above this ignorance, but to act as though we (people of colour) all share the blame for the policies of a few white european males is silly and short sighted and simply not true.
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KM
Posts: 596
BRONX, New York, US
Project Photography wrote:
that makes no sense.... are you saying in this argument that black photogs are not good? I'm pretty sure you probably didn't mean that..so what do you mean? No that is not what I mean I'm saying its about style ect.. And if she was straight up saying she dosent shoot with black photographers? I know from experience that sometimes when u tell someone no they take it up the ass flip the situation and turn it into a racial thing! The food thing was just an example of a form of prejudice.
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Candy Poses
Posts: 3380
Seattle, Washington, US
I wouldn't believe that this kind of thing still happened...
But I once got an email from a photographer I was in communication with saying, "oh, by the way- I'm Asian. Is that alright?"
Why wouldn't it be alright?
And today I recieved another email from a photographer asking, "What race are you?"
Why is it your business? I'm 100% sexy looking, and that's all you need to know.
And, for the record, of course I've shot with black photographers. And white ones. And asian ones. And arab ones. And hispanic ones. What I'd really like to do is shoot with a woman, just once. All of the people I've shot with have been guys.
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James Jackson Fashion
Posts: 11132
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Candy Poses wrote:
"What race are you?" What race are you? Human
What nationality are you? American
What religion are you? My own
What ethnicity are you? I have none
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
Random Beauty wrote:
Um if the model specifically said 'I don't shoot with black people'' then thats a problem! But maybe she didn't like ur style of photography. But everyone could be a little prejudice wen it comes to certain things for example whould you buy Chinese food from a Mexican named Pablo? Think about it that's a form of prejudice. I for example won't get threaded by a non south Asian woman. If you read the effing thread you will notice the it was reported model said race was the reason, not style.
was it that stupid statement about South Asians ?
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KM
Posts: 596
BRONX, New York, US
Candy Poses wrote:
I wouldn't believe that this kind of thing still happened...
But I once got an email from a photographer I was in communication with saying, "oh, by the way- I'm Asian. Is that alright?"
Why wouldn't it be alright?
And today I recieved another email from a photographer asking, "What race are you?"
Why is it your business? I'm 100% sexy looking, and that's all you need to know.
And, for the record, of course I've shot with black photographers. And white ones. And asian ones. And arab ones. And hispanic ones. What I'd really like to do is shoot with a woman, just once. All of the people I've shot with have been guys. Lmao about the 100% sexy looking! I would so say that! But sumtimes for certain projects the photographer might be looking for a certain race or look.
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Ex Voto Studio
Posts: 4985
Columbia, Maryland, US
Candy Poses wrote:
I'm 100% sexy looking, and that's all you need to know. I completely disagree it's more like 110% sexy looking!
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Paz Crystal
Posts: 373
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
ahhahaha their just stupid girls
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photosbydmp
Posts: 3808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia
damn that suxs, i have the opposite i cannot get a black model anytime i am in the usa, black, white ,chinese, we are all just people after all, good luck do not let the short sighted wear you down.
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EMG STUDIOS
Posts: 2033
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
IM'AGE.. I'm not going to feed into your idiotic train of thought in regards to this post to help boost your thread post count. I'm done responding to you on this matter but I will finish with you by stating that I guess the other photographers that had models show up and not even get out the car are liars too?
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Nala Mills
Posts: 124
Chicago, Illinois, US
EMG STUDIOS wrote:
IM'AGE.. I'm not going to feed into your idiotic train of thought in regards to this post to help boost your thread post count. I'm done responding to you on this matter but I will finish with you by stating that I guess the other photographers that had models show up and not even get out the car are liars too? Is it me or did the other model say that she was there when it happened? So, that must mean that it wasn't s(he) say right?
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