CareLyn Anita wrote:

We are not all that way , some of us even have soul

You definately got soul and balance too.  Get on girl!  ; }

Random Beauty wrote:
Lmao about the 100% sexy looking! I would so say that! But sumtimes for certain projects the photographer might be looking for a certain race or look.

Well, yes- but if you've seen my portfolio, you can pretty much tell what I look like.  The photographer didn't mention a special project  ("model minorities in america," or something).  He just asked, "what race are you?"

Christopher N. wrote:
Being black myself I've gotten the occasional "I didn't know you were..." or even the slightly disturbing "Gee you didn't sound black on the phone....".

i get that phone thing alot

Legacys 7 wrote:

Funny. Speaking of irrelevant, many models who never see your face will jump all over your port aka jock it, want to shoot but never have a clue that you are black. Trust me, some will let you know that they are surprised that you are. You'll know by their actions.

I'm surprised you're black 'cause you shoot like a whiteboy!!!

Ha-ha-ha
just kiddin' 'cause couldn't pass it up!

Gaylord Hill wrote:

I'm surprised you're black 'cause you shoot like a whiteboy!!!

Ha-ha-ha
just kiddin' 'cause couldn't pass it up!

Legasys is white - from the navel down.

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
IM'AGE.. I'm not going to feed into your idiotic train of thought in regards to this post to help boost your thread post count. I'm done responding to you on this matter but I will finish with you by stating that I guess the other photographers that had models show up and not even get out the car are liars too?

I can see now you have a narrow point of view...I never called you a liar... you hear and see only what you want to... then slant it to what suits you. I'm not looking to change your feelings... just don't see a reason to play the race card if one doesn't exist. You got issues and they're your issues, not mine.

If this subject hits so close to home why don't you out her on your NO-SHOW FLAKE BLOG???
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea … d11dc5523c

which BTW was Last Updated: Nov 27, 2006


This thread is dead to me... (this is what I get for trying to broach a serious subject)

--- back to the real world

Frog516 wrote:

Are you freakin kidding me? A model actually refused a shot because you are black?

A black model once refused a shoot with me because I'm white.

Graham Walker wrote:

A black model once refused a shoot with me because I'm white.

No one ever said stupidity is limited.

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
WTF is wrong with some of these white llamas?? You dumb asses.. I experienced just a small wiff of this type of prejudice over the weekend.. Anyone else care to share their thoughts???

I'll share some thoughts.

1. It doesn't appear that you confronted the llama in question.  Therefore,

2. You don't know that in this case race was an issue.

3. Until you get the stones to confront the source, a thread like this only shows the shortsightedness of the masses, and lack of wisdom on your part.

4. If the llama is indeed prejudiced, BFD. Her problem, not yours.  Do you not know who you are?

Frog516 wrote:

Are you freakin kidding me? A model actually refused a shot because you are black?

Happened to me here on MM three times (that I know about).

00siris wrote:
Happened to me here on MM three times (that I know about).

How did you find out this was the case?

Legacys 7 wrote:

yes some are because of perception of fear from one and perception of safe with another. Nightlne showed a test that they did with some white kids at a elementary school. They showed a series of black and white people on video/slide asking them who looks safe and who didn't.


They first showed a black guy, who had a frown on his face, the other was straight face shot of a white man. Anyways, the kids said that the white looked safe and that the black man looke dangerous. Long story short, the black man is a young harvard professor who was frowing because the sun ws in his eyes. The white guy was Tymothy McVeigh. American Terrorist.

Excellent post.  Some here aren't being honest.  The race of the photographer is
a issue to many models for lots of reasons.  To say it in a thread models would
appear racist and I don't think most are.  Its all about the unknown.  Many
White people have limited Black friends.  Quite often a shoot may involve nude
or partial nudes.  It may be being alone with the photographer or in very sexy
clothing.  All this spells less comfort.

Daguerre wrote:

How did you find out this was the case?

I see where you're going.

Each case at some point during interaction in setting up for a shoot the model would oddly ask something like "What's your race?" and, I kid you not, when I told them, they never responded to me again.

Sure they were polite on the last discussion or response to me (I guess in an attempt to throw off the scent - IN THEIR MINDS). But rest assured, that would be their last correspondence.

lotusphoto wrote:

if you look at the news, that's what you see, ie:dwb, driving while black, 30% of all black men in the usa are in the system, probation or in-house, is it wrong? of course it's wrong, does it create an impression? yes

That is such a racist BS argument used by people who seek to "profile" black men and excuse their own racism. Look. This pointless Iraq War, Watergate, Enron, the Manson Killings, Jim Crow, the Klan, World War I and II, and the list goes on, were ALL started by white men. But you don't see me running away at the sight of white males. Why? Because I'm enlightened enough to know not all white men  going to invade me, kill me, drop atomic bombs on me or steal my retirement investments. Please.

Kris Perry Photography wrote:
Sad times we are in when in 2006 this is still an issue, but i'm not surprised.

This is who I am! Does it matter what I look like or how I work the camera? I wouldn't want to shoot with someone of any race if they are that concerned about what race someone might be. Now you all can see me! My port should speak for itself. I guess that does not matter anymore.

get a real name, like Ice Cube.

Legacys 7 wrote:

yes some are because of perception of fear from one and perception of safe with another. Nightlne showed a test that they did with some white kids at a elementary school. They showed a series of black and white people on video/slide asking them who looks safe and who didn't.


They first showed a black guy, who had a frown on his face, the other was straight face shot of a white man. Anyways, the kids said that the white looked safe and that the black man looke dangerous. Long story short, the black man is a young harvard professor who was frowing because the sun ws in his eyes. The white guy was Tymothy McVeigh. American Terrorist.

It'd be interesting to see a study that did this for very young infants, to determine if racism is instinctive.  I know of a recent study that indicated beauty is instinctive - where they show infants 2 pictures, one of a pretty person and one of an ugly person, and infants would stare longer at the pretty person, indicating instinctive beauty.  I'd like to see some race-based study like that, factoring out as much external issues as possible (environment, lighting, noise, etc..) to see if racism is really instinctive or developed.  I'm sure there must have been studies like this done already??  (I personally find I stare quite a bit at Kifaya's pics... soo pretty =^)

Meanwhile, I still would like to shoot an asian, an indian, a hispanic, and a redhead to complete my port.. =^)

Gaylord Hill wrote:
I'm surprised you're black 'cause you shoot like a whiteboy!!!

Ha-ha-ha
just kiddin' 'cause couldn't pass it up!

God! that is so racist! Lmao!

don't make me go and put some booty shots on here. I can put it down like that too. ;o)

UnoMundo Photography wrote:

Legasys is white - from the navel down.

God the racist attacks on me. Can't we all just get alone?

Im'age NY (INY) wrote:

I can see now you have a narrow point of view...I never called you a liar... you hear and see only what you want to... then slant it to what suits you. I'm not looking to change your feelings... just don't see a reason to play the race card if one doesn't exist. You got issues and they're your issues, not mine.

If this subject hits so close to home why don't you out her on your NO-SHOW FLAKE BLOG???
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea … d11dc5523c

which BTW was Last Updated: Nov 27, 2006


This thread is dead to me... (this is what I get for trying to broach a serious subject)

--- back to the real world

Just another flake, move on.  We all have to deal with them.

Tony Lawrence wrote:

Excellent post.  Some here aren't being honest.  The race of the photographer is
a issue to many models for lots of reasons.  To say it in a thread models would
appear racist and I don't think most are.  Its all about the unknown.  Many
White people have limited Black friends.  Quite often a shoot may involve nude
or partial nudes.  It may be being alone with the photographer or in very sexy
clothing.  All this spells less comfort.

this is true. although i have had white, black and asian female change right in front me, it's not a common thing. but many aren't going for it and it has nothing to do with being uncomfortable with a photographer in general. Many fear that you are going to pull that Mandingo Vodoo on them. Lol. And for some, that fear may just be a desire.

ChicagoPhoto wrote:

That is such a racist BS argument used by people who seek to "profile" black men and excuse their own racism. Look. This pointless Iraq War, Watergate, Enron, the Manson Killings, Jim Crow, the Klan, World War I and II, and the list goes on, were ALL started by white men. But you don't see me running away at the sight of white males. Why? Because I'm enlightened enough to know not all white men  going to invade me, kill me, drop atomic bombs on me or steal my retirement investments. Please.

i was trying to point out the racist bias of the media and how it creates a racist attitude in individuals.. which reinforces the racial bias in the cops, which.. etc etc..


sorry if what i said was bothersome, my intention was the opposite..

Legacys 7 wrote:
God the racist attacks on me. Can't we all just get alone?

Legacys 7 wrote:
this is true. although i have had white, black and asian female change right in front me, it's not a common thing. but many aren't going for it and it has nothing to do with being uncomfortable with a photographer in general. Many fear that you are going to pull that Mandingo Vodoo!!! on them. Lol. And for some, that fear may just be a desire.

we could, in fact beyond just getting along, i'll be your friend..

you have to each me mandingo voodoo first..

but afterwards i'll be your pal forever

Bobby Mozumder wrote:

It'd be interesting to see a study that did this for very young infants, to determine if racism is instinctive.  I know of a recent study that indicated beauty is instinctive - where they show infants 2 pictures, one of a pretty person and one of an ugly person, and infants would stare longer at the pretty person, indicating instinctive beauty.  I'd like to see some race-based study like that, factoring out as much external issues as possible (environment, lighting, noise, etc..) to see if racism is really instinctive or developed.  I'm sure there must have been studies like this done already??  (I personally find I stare quite a bit at Kifaya's pics... soo pretty =^)

Meanwhile, I still would like to shoot an asian, an indian, a hispanic, and a redhead to complete my port.. =^)

I wonder if it's more about what they are use to seeing or being around vs instinctive beauty. Example, my nephew when he was a baby wasn't use to being around me because I wasn't around him living in another State. He cried for the longest. He finally got use to seeing me. My younger brother wasn't a problem. My brother beneath me, he was terrified of him too. Same reason, he wasn't around him. Funny, I remember when my brother came in, my nephew ran to me and fell apart. It was so funny.


As for the test, no. When I see little babies, they don't see color. It's funny how a baby, if be white, black, Asian etc..They will like you or fear you. Color is never the issue. That is what is so sad, how kids can laugh, smile at you and never see the color of you but the human nature. You ever noticed how the instincts are there? when a black baby and a white baby know that they are both babies, they automatically interact with one another. I find this to be very beautiful.

Racism is a condition to the mind and spirit from other humans.

lotusphoto wrote:

Legacys 7 wrote:
God the racist attacks on me. Can't we all just get alone?

we could, in fact beyond just getting along, i'll be your friend..

you have to each me mandingo voodoo first..

but afterwards i'll be your pal forever

\

u mean teach me? some things aren't meant to be tought. I don't know Lotus, that dress scared me. I wish that I can find a terrified icon around here to post. )

Legacys 7 wrote:
\

u mean teach me? some things aren't meant to be tought. I don't know Lotus, that dress scared me. I wish that I can find a terrified icon around here to post. )

dont worry, i will use my newfound powers for good and not evil..

lotusphoto wrote:

dont worry, i will use my newfound powers for good and not evil..

Sorry Robin, the Dark Knight can't reveal all.

Legacys 7 wrote:

Sorry Robin, the Dark Knight can't reveal all.

here's an anigif...





now?

HeatherLynne wrote:
What a photographer looks like or what race he or she is has never mattered to me.  My concern is the quality of pic's I'm going to get from them.  I have shot with photographers from alot of different races and genders and never cared what they looked like.  I look at thier work and decide if I like what they do and if I want thier work in my portfolio.  I would have missed out on meeting and working with alot of really nice and talented people if I had let anything other than the quality of thier work infulence my decision on working with them or not.

this is true. so come and shoot with me and we can rule this world. just  u and me baby! we can do this!

lotusphoto wrote:

here's an anigif...





now?

niiice. I can use that one.

Kris Perry Photography wrote:
Sad times we are in when in 2006 this is still an issue, but i'm not surprised.

This is who I am! Does it matter what I look like or how I work the camera? I wouldn't want to shoot with someone of any race if they are that concerned about what race someone might be. Now you all can see me! My port should speak for itself. I guess that does not matter anymore.

Well said, KP. I always admire your work and it would be a pitty for anyone to not work with you, redardless of the reason.

For the record, I am yellow. So, I both black and white could refuse to work with me because I am in the middle. So far, that hasn't happen.

Kris Perry Photography wrote:
Sad times we are in when in 2006 this is still an issue, but i'm not surprised.

This is who I am! Does it matter what I look like or how I work the camera? I wouldn't want to shoot with someone of any race if they are that concerned about what race someone might be. Now you all can see me! My port should speak for itself. I guess that does not matter anymore.

I don't know, that look in your eyes says , 'your ass better shoot with me, or else.'

Legacys 7 wrote:

niiice. I can use that one.

so, you'll teach me then..