Kali Hyde wrote:
So lately it seems that a lot of people think that I would be more successful doing things that involve less clothing. Or going for a more trashier look. Some think I have more of a porn star face than a models. that kind of upsets me, I don't want to be in porn, or do anything involving nudity. It just isn't for me. I want to be a high fashion model.

I know my portfolio isn't anything special right now, a lot of you have already gone over it with me. I'm working on it!


It seems like there are a lot more job openings being offered to me in that line of work though..I don't know what to do. I don't have a problem posing in lingerie or in swimsuits..but everyone I say that to is like " Well then why can't you just step up one level to nude? "

Because I don't want to. I'm comfortable with my body. I just don't want to be portrayed like that. I've gotten offers for different magazines..Ones that I would have to be practically completely nude in, obviously.

UGH.

It seems to me that all you really want from modeling is just some attention. I think you got plenty in this thread. You're too young and naive for the high fashion world. You have not even work with a real fashion photographer. Get a real evaluation from a real agency (not the two fake ones you have right now) or high fashion photographer (like Eric S. and Ched) before you write something like this again. Stop dreaming about high fashion. You have one expression in all of your photos and your stats and skin tone are not anywhere close to high fashion. On the other hand, FHM, Playboy and other similar mags are always looking for girls like you to take your clothes off. With a lot of touch up and airbrush, you can look good in those. For now, be happy with some TFP from inexperienced photogs and enjoy life and the attentions from people looking at your photos.

Okay folks, let her go. . .

Kaitlin Lara wrote:
You

Kali Hyde wrote:
everyone wants me to be naked

I don't

Kali Hyde wrote:
So lately it seems that a lot of people think that I would be more successful doing things that involve less clothing.

I want to be a high fashion model.

I soo feel'ya girlfriend... I have the same problem...

It's getting friggin cold out there and the models demand I shoot nekkid... are they out of their mind!

A fellow tortured soul!

Kali Hyde wrote:

So you're saying I'm too young for the high fashion world.. another said I was too old. The 2 agencies that I'm with now aren't fake? But if you think so. What does my skin tone have to do with anything? What should it look like?

I gotta jump in here.  If you really want to be involved in high fashion, then I suggest you research it.  You should know all of this like you know the lyrics to your favorite song.

Craig Thomson wrote:

I don't

The people that contact me do.

Kali Hyde wrote:

I was just wondering if you were signed with a BIG agency.

Which doesn't actually answer the question. No one asks questions just because...there's always some reason, otherwise the thought wouldn't have even crossed your mind to ask. So were you asking to gauge my credibility, just being catty, or what? I'm curious...humor me.

Kali Hyde wrote:
His name is Serge G. Guimond

From his MM page (26232)

*** Currently shooting submissions for: MAXIM, STUFF, FHM & PLAYBOY Pictorials. ***

Sorry, Kali, you're the recipient of the oldest play in the book.

He no more shoots for these magazines than I do. I've had many models ask me to shoot them so they could submit to these magazines. At least 30. Two of them actually got in - not because I'm a good photographer, but because they had the look that the magazines wanted. The other 28 are still waiting to hear back, some for two years - can you imagine what they'd be saying about me if I'd told them I could get them into those magazines?!

His profile on another site claims, "We are North America's largest glamour production company specialized in producing various Swimsuit Editions for top glamour magazines and publications around the world." North America's largest glamour production company?! I can't believe I've never heard of them. I must be really out of the loop.

To be clear, this guy shoots you and submits you and hopes you get in so he gets a finder's fee. If he said he wants to shoot you FOR these magazines, or even went as far as to say he could get you in... dear, as I said, you've been had.

His OMP profile appears to have been removed. Google is a really useful tool. Given the name of a photographer and a magazine name, it will typically pull up copies of their work, or at least a resume or credit list. In his case, it brings up his MM portfolio and two other portfolios that he's created online. Nothing on any of the official magazine sites or any industry sites.

Doing a quick read, his credits here say that he's shot for those magazines, and he even has a few shots in his portfolio from them - but none of them have photo credits. I sure hope he really shot those frames and didn't just lift 'em.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, because I'd hate to call someone a liar, the very use of the word "submissions" in his portfolio is all I need to see. If he were a staff photographer, he would have said so.

If this isn't the case, I invite him to come into this thread and clear it up. I'll be the very first to apologize if this is a case of your misunderstanding what he said, or his not being completely clear. Misunderstandings do happen, after all, and I'm not above admitting if I'm wrong. That said, if what you've said is the complete story, then yeah, sorry about that.

Olaf S wrote:
Depends on what you want.  If you want fame and fortune, you're probably out of luck. The chances of anyone "making it" as a model are about the same as those for making it as a rock star, pro sports player, top hollywood star etc. Pretty darned remote.

So, that said...what do you want?  If you don't want to get naked because you think one day it might wreck your chances of being the next Cindy Crawford/Tyra Banks/Kate Moss/Elle MacPherson etc...chances are it won't happen.  I'm not saying it won't, but it's a long, long, long shot at best.  Oh, and BTW and 3 out of those 4 did nudes and still had megastar careers..

Your best chance of making a living as a model is to do nudes.  Look at Model Sarah or Tiana Hunter or one of the handful of models who are REALLY good a fine art nudes.

Oh...and no, I'm not trying to crush your dreams or be a negative ass etc etc, but that is the reality.

Sorry and GOOD LUCK!

Agreed. This is Tiana Hunter:

Kali Hyde wrote:

So you're saying I'm too young for the high fashion world.. another said I was too old. The 2 agencies that I'm with now aren't fake? But if you think so. What does my skin tone have to do with anything? What should it look like?

Too young mentally is what I think he meant...physically, you aren't too old...but at your age you better be really freaking amazing to get your foot in the door. The two agencies you're with now ARE fake as far as everyone who knows better is concerned. You may as well have a "manager". If an agency's website doesn't even have links to any models, or work, or anything...they're not real...they're not a big agency...they're not up there with Ford or Elite regardless of where you met them or what they told you. You need to step down from the clouds and start listening to people because right now you are setting yourself up for failure and serious disappointment. You think you're signed to 2 big agencies despite what numerous people have told you to the contrary, you're 5'8" and weigh 130, with measurements of 35-27-36 and want to be a high fashion model, and you think that someone from Playboy contacted you when everyone else here is saying no, they didn't, it's someone lying to you. Despite all that , you start asking people childish questions when they give you an honest, and somewhat educated answer. But I'm sure you know better than all of us considering your whopping 3 shoots and your 3 months here on MM. Get over yourself and start listening to people who know better. Learning from the mistakes and wisdom of others will get you so much further than disregarding what everyone says and copping an attitude when people are honest with you.

Kali Hyde wrote:
3. Who is arguing?/I don't want attention, I want advice .... which is why I posted this in the first place.

Advice does you no good if all you do is argue with everyone despite the fact that they're all saying the exact same thing.

Kali Hyde wrote:
So you're saying I'm too young for the high fashion world.. another said I was too old. The 2 agencies that I'm with now aren't fake? But if you think so. What does my skin tone have to do with anything? What should it look like?

Too naive and too young are two different things. Most high fashion models start at age 14 to 16. So, you're almost too old to start.
What a high fashion model should look like? You mean to tell me that you don't know what they look for in the high fashion field?!?
Here is Eric's port: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=44992
Sabawa's port: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=9596
Raul: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=56703
Ched: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=7174
Jerry: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=6492
And an established model: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=76004

Ask yourself how close are you from the work you see in these port. . .

LHC Photography wrote:

Too naive and too young are two different things. Most high fashion models start at age 14 to 16. So, you're almost too old to start.
What a high fashion model should look like? You mean to tell me that you don't know what they look for in the high fashion field?!?
Here is Eric's port: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=44992
Sabawa's port: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=9596
Raul: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=56703
Ched: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=7174
Jerry: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=6492
And an established model: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=76004

Ask yourself how close are you from the work you see in these port. . .

I asked what my skin tone should look like.

Kali Hyde wrote:
So lately it seems that a lot of people think that I would be more successful doing things that involve less clothing. Or going for a more trashier look. Some think I have more of a porn star face than a models. that kind of upsets me, I don't want to be in porn, or do anything involving nudity. It just isn't for me. I want to be a high fashion model.

I know my portfolio isn't anything special right now, a lot of you have already gone over it with me. I'm working on it!


It seems like there are a lot more job openings being offered to me in that line of work though..I don't know what to do. I don't have a problem posing in lingerie or in swimsuits..but everyone I say that to is like " Well then why can't you just step up one level to nude? "

Because I don't want to. I'm comfortable with my body. I just don't want to be portrayed like that. I've gotten offers for different magazines..Ones that I would have to be practically completely nude in, obviously.

UGH.

Kali Hyde wrote:
Ask yourself how close are you from the work you see in these port. . .

I asked what my skin tone should look like.

Check the girls in those portfolios. It should be light and easy to put makeup on. And yes, you do need to be about 2 inches taller and 20 lbs lighter. Honestly, you don't really give a shit about what people say here anyway, right? Then go on. . . You already killed any remaining chance (if there is any) of working in the high fashion field. . .

Kali Hyde wrote:
" What are you thinking taking advice from people on a website, because I can't imagine that you went into agencies and they told you go do porn or go do nude work. If you aren't just trying to get attention on the post you put up, and you really are having a problem figuring out what you should do, then you contact me, and we will begin working in a positive direction. I understant that you are 18 years old, but don't be a complete fool and think you are going to get good advice from website photographers who do this as a part time thing and like to take naked pictures for their own collection. "

Oh, that's rich! "Don't take advice from people on this web site, take advice from me on this web site!"

Unless this (unattributed) message came from one of, oh, maybe 5 or 6 people I can think of on here (hint: I'm not one of them), that's just hilarious.

Christopher Ambler wrote:

Oh, that's rich! "Don't take advice from people on this web site, take advice from me on this web site!"

Unless this (unattributed) message came from one of, oh, maybe 5 or 6 people I can think of on here (hint: I'm not one of them), that's just hilarious.

Ditto. Your naivety is going to kill any chances you have of being a model if you don't wise up.

Eric S. wrote:

The hottest high-fashion model in the world right now (In my humble opinion), Natalia Vodianova, has posed topless and nude numerous times in the last year including a feature in W magazine.

I wish you a happy successful career as a "high-fashion model" and of course, you never even have to shoot in lingerie, never mind nude. But please don't assume the "high-fashion" world is detached from nudity.

i don't know if anyone else said this already...
but high fashion nudity imo, looks much different than playboy or glamour nudity.

Kali Hyde wrote:
I asked what my skin tone should look like.

Natural.

smo1869 wrote:
Wow this thread has heated up!

StevenMichaeL wrote:
everyone wants me to be naked...


I don't, but do you have a brother? :-)

No, I don't have a brother, why do you ask?

Kali Hyde wrote:
Do you think that my skin tone doesn't look natural?

Natural is whatever your skin tone is without laying out to tan, the sun damages skin and cameras pick that up pretty easily.

Kali Hyde wrote:
So lately it seems that a lot of people think that I would be more successful doing things that involve less clothing. Or going for a more trashier look. Some think I have more of a porn star face than a models. that kind of upsets me, I don't want to be in porn, or do anything involving nudity. It just isn't for me. I want to be a high fashion model.

aka I don't give a shit about your pursuits.  But I want to see your nipples and show them off to...

a) friends
b) paying members
c) I just really want to see your nipples

My recommendations, unless nude work is something you want to do, stay away from those types.  They don't sound all that much different than the guys that pump up a girl about her looks and how hot she is and if she lets him manager her, he'll make them famous and/or rich.

Craig Thomson wrote:

I don't

Ahhhh...  I do.

lol

Craig you crack me up!!

Kali Hyde wrote:
I said I would LIKE to do high fashion, but since everyone on here has a different opinion about it..I'll stick to not asking them for advice anymore. Although I have gotten some good advice, most of it was negative, like "I'm craving attention"..mm you're so right.

The majority of advice has been quite consistent. It does, however, differ from your opinion.

Rather than review all the specifics, I'm going to suggest you consider:

1. Checking the links listed.

2. Doing a quick websearch for your photographer, and check out the references. (Or even ask yourself why his MM link goes to a MySpace account rather than his selectglamour.com site.)

3. Do a quick check on a handful of the photographers giving you advice. You'll almost certainly find that some of them have been working full-time in the field for longer than you've been alive. Their opinions on this topic are likely to be based on a closer approximation of reality than yours.

4. Take a break from the forums, and think about the results of the above.

5. Take rational actions based on the above.