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gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
John Jebbia wrote:
Tell you what. Just e-mail me some of your naked photos and I will determine what look best suits you. I swear. I'm only trying to help. I don't have any nudes. That's the thing. I've never done it before, and I'm getting offers from magazines.
Photographer
Sleepy Weasel
Posts: 4839
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
While I think you'd make a good nude model, I think you'd make a better fashion model. You have a very exotic looking face, and I think you could do a lot of implied/tease shots (like Maxim, etc.). If you don't want to do nudes, don't compromise your prinicples or limits. The fact you're getting all these requests is your hook - keep them guessing and use that angle to your advantage.
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gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Sleepy Weasel wrote:
While I think you'd make a good nude model, I think you'd make a better fashion model. You have a very exotic looking face, and I think you could do a lot of implied/tease shots (like Maxim, etc.). If you don't want to do nudes, don't compromise your prinicples or limits. The fact you're getting all these requests is your hook - keep them guessing and use that angle to your advantage.
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Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Okay...I'll be honest...if you don't want to hear honesty, stop reading now. You DO have more of a porn star face than a high fashion model face IMHO. Your look isn't edgy to me, it's more "girl next door" which is what they like for porn and Maxim and all that kind of stuff. You also do not have the body to be a high fashion model. If you want to do this for fun...do whatever you want...if you want to be a pro...you won't do it as a high fashion model. Being tall is only the half of it. You also need to have the right measurements. You don't. You're going to get offers you don't want...that's life. Not all the guys that hit on you are hot, are they? Why should all the offers you get be desirable?
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eyelight
Posts: 1598
Moorpark, California, US
UIPHOTOS wrote:
Hatcher was nude on a balcony in a movie where she played a mobsters wife.. I think Alec Baldwin was the mob boss.. Aniston has done implied nudes (nude with her legs crossed and arms over her boobs) for a magazine shoot I saw.. So BOTH have been nude.. Hatcher was full frontal in the movie.. that is when I realized her boobs sagged before she was on Seinfeld saying they were real and spectacular.. LOL
EDIT: and to the OP.. I dont want to see you naked.. Unless you learn not to smirk in your pics, I dont think that dream has legs to stand on.. That movie came out AFTER she was on the Adventures of Lois and Clark...
Photographer
Photography Bug
Posts: 54
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
So lately it seems that a lot of people think that I would be more successful doing things that involve less clothing. Or going for a more trashier look. Some think I have more of a porn star face than a models. that kind of upsets me, I don't want to be in porn, or do anything involving nudity. It just isn't for me. I want to be a high fashion model.
I know my portfolio isn't anything special right now, a lot of you have already gone over it with me. I'm working on it!
It seems like there are a lot more job openings being offered to me in that line of work though..I don't know what to do. I don't have a problem posing in lingerie or in swimsuits..but everyone I say that to is like " Well then why can't you just step up one level to nude? "
Because I don't want to. I'm comfortable with my body. I just don't want to be portrayed like that. I've gotten offers for different magazines..Ones that I would have to be practically completely nude in, obviously.
UGH. Follow your truest passion. Don't let anyone pressure you to do anything you don't necessarily want to do. I can definitely understand that. I wish you success with your modeling goals.
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gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Model
Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Model
gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Farah Malika Images wrote:
Follow your truest passion. Don't let anyone pressure you to do anything you don't necessarily want to do. I can definitely understand that. I wish you success with your modeling goals. Thank you =]
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Image K
Posts: 23400
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Farah Malika Images wrote:
Follow your truest passion. Don't let anyone pressure you to do anything you don't necessarily want to do. I can definitely understand that. I wish you success with your modeling goals. Sound advice.
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gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Model
Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
I've met Elite, IMG, and Ford. Those and a ton of other agencies were at a modeling convention I went to in September. Where I also met Victor, he signed me a week later. He was there with hundreds of other 'real agencies'. So if I go to a party with my lawyer uncle does that make me a lawyer too? I'm surrounded by lawyers, so I must be one too...right? Of course not. Go look them up. That first agency has one of the worst, and most useless websites I've ever seen, and the 2nd, when I googled them, the first thing on the list that didn't ask me for a password or something was the link I posted a minute ago.
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gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
I've met Elite, IMG, and Ford. Those and a ton of other agencies were at a modeling convention I went to in September. Where I also met Victor, he signed me a week later. He was there with hundreds of other 'real agencies'. And yet none of the "real" agencies signed you.
Convention? That's like saying: scam.
I'm not trying to fight with you or hijack your thread- please refer to my first post where I told you where you should live if you're serious about high fashion...
edit: and also- if you want to do high fashion- as someone else pointed out- you only have the height. Hit the gym and stop eating.
Photographer
Photography Bug
Posts: 54
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Avoid scouting companies of any kind. Most of them are scams.
Model
angela camp
Posts: 319
Los Angeles, California, US
You are beautiful and can do whatever you want, don't let anyone talk you into doing something that you don't feel comfortable doing, you'll only regret it later!
and I'm not sure who decided what a porn star face is, but that idea is ridiculous!
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gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Model
gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Model
Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
It was a modeling convention through ProScout, they only have big agencies there.
Victors International has a useless website? What do you want him to have on it? Hmmm...I don't know...maybe some actual working links. It's a page with a few thumbs, some writing, and nothing else. It doesn't even lead anywhere. That is useless, and probably a good sign that he is just as useless. And the link goes to a page that basically says that Quickbook charges you lots of money, which is not what a real agency does. Besides, you said yourself they haven't really gotten you anything.
And I'm sure that if there are hundreds of them there, they don't just have big agencies there. I doubt there are that many BIG agencies that there were hundreds of them there in one place at one time.
Photographer
Jason McKendricks
Posts: 6025
Chico, California, US
Everyone wants me to get naked and I'm the photographer! Look, tasteful nude modeling can be liberating, fun, a positive experience and is absolutely not for you if you don't want to be there in the first place. I never shoot nudes with someone who hasn't indicated she wants to. It leads to a free and relaxed attitude during the shoot. I've advised you before to loosen up and I don't think being naked in front of a random photog will help.
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Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
I would go to New York..but I don't fit into the 5'9-5'11 size 0-2 category. I'm almost 5'9..and nowhere near a size 0, or 2. Going to New York would be a waste of time, and money I think. Then why are you talking about wanting to be a high fashion model if you know it's not going to happen?
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
I would go to New York..but I don't fit into the 5'9-5'11 size 0-2 category. I'm almost 5'9..and nowhere near a size 0, or 2. Going to New York would be a waste of time, and money I think. mmmmkkk....so Pennsylvania has better opportunities for girls that look like you for high fashion? PA has better high fashion photographers to help build your book? I'm confused....but don't you want to do high fashion?
Well- if you're not willing to work on being a high fashion model, then start reconsidering what it IS you're willing to work for in modeling.
Photographer
669
Posts: 25
San Francisco, California, US
I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, but my advice is to hire a decent fashion photographer and get some images in your portfolio that demonstrate fashion potential. Or talk to your agencies and ask them why they haven't done any decent shots for your folio and why they haven't got any decent work for you. Its a fact of life that there is much more porn that fashion consumed so it stands to reason that with an amateur portfolio you're not going to get offered high fashion jobs. They go to the experienced girls that are 5"10"+ and have years of experience because they started when they were 14, and are signed with Ford, Next etc. Call those agencies and go to one of their casting calls.
Dealing with people that ask you to do nudes is easy and I'm not sure why you are asking. Just delete them and take the offers that are consistent with your goals.
First though, you need to show you have what it takes to do fashion and the current portfolio doesn't.
.//Daren
Model
gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
Quickbook charges $200 .. that isn't lots of money. They made me comp cards, which I have to use, and ones that they send to clients.
Are you signed with any BIG agencies? 1. stop right there. agencies don't charge anything.
2. stop asking if others are signed with big agencies....the argument is going to switch to really immature really fast.
Model
gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Model
Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
go to proscout.com..all the agencies listed there are the ones that I met.
Quickbook charges $200 .. that isn't lots of money. They made me comp cards, which I have to use, and ones that they send to clients.
Are you signed with any BIG agencies? The website also says they charge a monthly fee, and you said yourself they haven't gotten you much work.
And no...I'm not signed with any big agencies because I am 5'7", and my measurements are 28-23-33. I have no desire to be with any agencies though, as I get as much work as I can handle with my school schedule, and I'm doing exactly what I want to be doing. Making art. I have no delusions of grandeur, and no desire to be a professional high fashion model...so I'm not exactly sure what my status as a model has to do with anything.
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Constance Hilory
Posts: 1706
Mobile, Alabama, US
Daniela V wrote:
1. stop right there. agencies don't charge anything.
2. stop asking if others are signed with big agencies....the argument is going to switch to really immature really fast. Great point!
Model
gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Photographer
Doug Jantz
Posts: 4025
Tulsa, Oklahoma, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
So lately it seems that a lot of people think that I would be more successful doing things that involve less clothing. Or going for a more trashier look. Some think I have more of a porn star face than a models. that kind of upsets me, I don't want to be in porn, or do anything involving nudity. It just isn't for me. I want to be a high fashion model.
I know my portfolio isn't anything special right now, a lot of you have already gone over it with me. I'm working on it!
It seems like there are a lot more job openings being offered to me in that line of work though..I don't know what to do. I don't have a problem posing in lingerie or in swimsuits..but everyone I say that to is like " Well then why can't you just step up one level to nude? "
Because I don't want to. I'm comfortable with my body. I just don't want to be portrayed like that. I've gotten offers for different magazines..Ones that I would have to be practically completely nude in, obviously.
UGH. Simple answer, like other things you are asked to do. If you don't want to you just answer no. And then keep looking for things you DO want to do.
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gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
I didn't say it wasn't going to happen..I said that as of right now I do not fit into the category that agenices in New York look for. So it would be pointless right now to go to New York. Fashion models start at like age 5.
Ok- not 5, but 14-15. You're almost too old.
Stop eating right now and come on over to NYC.
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Constance Hilory wrote:
Great point! Awww thanks! side note: i love your work by the way!
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gabriell_a
Posts: 1616
Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
You say that Playboy wanted you, but then you say that it was a photographer who works with them as well as a few other magazines.
Those are two very mutually-exclusive statements unless that photographer was one of about three, possibly four that I can think of that MIGHT be working with Playboy as well as other magazines. If you care to name the name, I can point you to an authoritative source for that list (it's been posted by an actual employee of PEI; I'd never ask you to take my word for it).
I seriously doubt that this was the case.
Anyone can say, "Hi, I work with Playboy and Maxim and FHM and I can get you in." They'd also be lying.
Add this to the fact that you've paid for representation from "agencies" that nobody has heard of and you exhibit the very typical "stars in eyes" attitude and defensiveness, and I must say, with all honestly, that I think you're in for a rude awakening.
So yes, absolutely - DO NOT DO NUDES if you are at all uncomfortable, because you'll find that they're NOT in Playboy or Maxim or FHM and the people who told you that they would have lied to you. Those photos will likely be on some web site, somewhere, and I can only imagine how you'd feel then!
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
Victor's International doesn't charge anything. The photographers do. I can't. I just can't.
I'm canting.
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Constance Hilory
Posts: 1706
Mobile, Alabama, US
Daniela V wrote:
Awww thanks! side note: i love your work by the way! side note: Thank you so much. I love yours too! You are amazing!
Photographer
Jason McKendricks
Posts: 6025
Chico, California, US
If they're charging you, then they're obviously not bringing in enough business to cover costs. Please Kali, think about it. These people here are trying to help you.
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Halcyon 7174 NYC
Posts: 20109
New York, New York, US
Kali Hyde wrote:
It actually was with Playboy.."natural beauties" was what it was called. I talked to a really nice guy from there that works with a lot of REALLY good magazines. Stuff, FHM, etc. Oh, yeah, that guy. Or is it one of his 500 clones I'm thinking of?
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11987
Costa Mesa, California, US
Kaitlin Lara wrote:
Okay...I'll be honest...if you don't want to hear honesty, stop reading now. You DO have more of a porn star face than a high fashion model face IMHO. Your look isn't edgy to me, it's more "girl next door" which is what they like for porn and Maxim and all that kind of stuff. You also do not have the body to be a high fashion model. If you want to do this for fun...do whatever you want...if you want to be a pro...you won't do it as a high fashion model. Being tall is only the half of it. You also need to have the right measurements. You don't. You're going to get offers you don't want...that's life. Not all the guys that hit on you are hot, are they? Why should all the offers you get be desirable? Also your heavy for your height fore fashion work. Did either of your "real" agents tell you this? And did you see credits in the mag for this photog who works for all those "good' mags? Or doe he just submit to them and hope for the finder's fee? BE CAREFUL!
Mike
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