PapaVic Photography wrote:
It is natural for normal men to want to see beautiful women naked.

Aside from that, there's only three pieces of advice I think I could give anyone, about anything:

1) Always think for yourself.

2) Never surrender your will without reason.

3) You can do anything you want, as long as you are willing to stand the responsibility.

very good advie in general.

Kali Hyde wrote:
His name is Serge G. Guimond

Pass me the red flag please...

fotorat wrote:

Good agencies DO charge..they just don't do it upfront.  All of the best agencies i know of do  charge for your comps, delivering of books and even phone calls to clients.  As soon as you get your first paid job they will take it from you, which,  I find this is fair since it is the cost of doing business.

Sorry hun- I meant up front costs- like the ones that she's paid....She said something about it in the beginning of this thread...

Kali Hyde wrote:
...what do you think

kali, you are a perfect candidate for taking a huge fall in this business.  it's called a sophomoric approach (sophomore=wise fool).

based on your responses throughout this thread you have shown nothing more than having at most a simple grasp of this industry.  it's good you care and hope to make this a profession, it's bad you don't care enough to learn the best paths to travel.

i strongly suggest you take the time to read and absorb the following link and don't let your arrogance get in the way from doing so:
www.newmodels.com

much of what more seasoned respondents have supplied in helping guide you throughout this thread will become painfully clear.  choose to ignore taking minimal effort in what that link provides will hurt you in more ways than one.

best of fortune to you.  now, get reading.

--face reality

Kali Hyde wrote:
It's silly that it took 6 pages of people saying things back and forth to get a straight answer like that. Thank you.

I have the height though, I just need to lose some weight. I've been on a runway infront of different agencies. Agencies that weren't all looking for the same thing. Some were impressed, some weren't.

I don't know that that'll work. You look a little curvey even if you lose some weight. Better send some nekkid pics so I can see better see your natural self.

Nah, really. What he said. Try to get things rolling your way, and if things don't go, try hitting different angles. If one day you feel comfortable with a photog, and he is trustworthy, you may want to try some nude work and if you don't see any good from it, destory the imgs. No harm, no foul.

Christopher Ambler wrote:
There you have it. The source? Kevin Kuster. Over the past two weeks, I've spent several hours talking with Kevin, separating the truth from the mythology about how models get into Playboy. Bottom line: the above mentioned people are it. Playboy does not employ scouts, or agents, or recruiters. Others can submit, others can recommend, but these are the people that decide.

Again, and yes I will vote for you when you run, Chris has hit the nail precisely on the head.  There are those who can get your images in front of the right people, but the final decision is made by just a few people.

Clearly there are those within Playboy that have ear of the editors, and likewise, there are those who have relationships with Playboy and get their submissions looked at rather than languishing in a pile, in the end though, there are very few people with the authority to say "Yes."

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Clearly there are those within Playboy that have ear of the editors, and likewise, there are those who have relationships with Playboy and get their submissions looked at rather than languishing in a pile, in the end though, there are very few people with the authority to say "Yes."

This description could be copied with the word "Playboy" replaced with the phrase "any given school newspaper."

Clearly there are those within any given school newspaper that have ear of the editors, and likewise, there are those who have relationships with any given school newspaper and get their submissions looked at rather than languishing in a pile, in the end though, there are very few people with the authority to say "Yes."

Publications with a large staff that serve a large community pretty much all behave the same way.

Kali Hyde wrote:

That's what kind of agency I'm with.. but according to everyone in here it's "fake". At the Proscout modeling convention that I went to  (the one that was a scam) I met a lot of top agencies like Elite New York and so on..they didn't call me back because I don't fit what they look for. Victor's International is a secondary market agency. He gets bookings with different jean companies, stores, food products, etc. It is more of a commercial business.

I said I would LIKE to do high fashion, but since everyone on here has a different opinion about it..I'll stick to not asking them for advice anymore. Although I have gotten some good advice, most of it was negative, like "I'm craving attention"..mm you're so right.

Someone said that my breasts were too big? ....My 34 A boobs ..alright?

No one said the convention was a fake...they said that an agency being at a convention does not make them a reputable agency that can get you anwhere. Why do you think Quickbook charges you money? Any real agency that can make money off you would not have charged you $200 because you would be a source of income for them. If they aren't getting you work though, then you aren't making money modeling, and they get nothing from you...that is the only reason an agency would charge you, is if they cannot be certain that they can get you work. They may be real, if by real you mean they exist, but that doesn't make them good, or reputable, or mean that they will get you work. I can't even begin to understand how after so many people have told you you're wasting your time with these "agencies" that you still insist on fighting with them when you clearly are new to this and have no knowledge of the modeling world. Most of the advice was not NEGATIVE. It was HONEST. You are naive and stuck in the clouds though, and won't listen to anyone, regardless of how much more they know than you. And yes...your boobs are too big. High fashion likes small boobs, and unless your photos are really misleading, if you think you're a 34 A, you're wearing the wrong size bra.

Melissa Lynnette wrote:

You keep saying that you are asking for advice, but like many attention whores we've seen around here, you aren't honestly listening to the advice being given.  See, it would be one thing for you to say "Why can't I get paid non nude work?"  And then accept what's being told to you by people who know their shit.  Instead, you are cherry picking what you like from those who are telling you exactly what you want to hear.  This thread has 5 pages and you still haven't gotten the point. 

...I say the first.

BINGO. Why does everyone get it but you, Kali?

Kali Hyde wrote:
I've met Elite, IMG, and Ford. Those and a ton of other agencies were at a modeling convention I went to in September. Where I also met Victor, he signed me a week later. He was there with hundreds of other 'real agencies'.

Oh dear sweet Kali...  Cuba Gooding Jr. and I have been in the same VIP room at the same club (Trago's Philadelphia) at the same time... and we both met lots of people that night... but no one would mistake me for a famous actor...

Kali Hyde wrote:

I would go to New York..but I don't fit into the 5'9-5'11 size 0-2 category. I'm almost 5'9..and nowhere near a size 0, or 2. Going to New York would be a waste of time, and money I think.

Then fashion is not the career for you.

ImMissKitty wrote:
Don't let anyone pressure you into doing anything you aren't completely comfortable with. Getting naked is NOT going to bump your career up if you want to be a high fashion model. Look at all the thousands of girls who take their clothes off for no-name photographers every month. Those pictures will always be out there- you can't take them back.

Thanks Hun!

Luminos wrote:
Kali,

No, you don't "look like a porn star."  (No expert here, but still ...)

There really, in this day and age, is very little correlation between success and nudity.  Many famous models and stars have appeared nude (Halle Barry, Kate Moss) and many have refused and done well (Jennifer Anniston, Terri Hatcher).

What is far more important is the work you do.  For some, nude is a shortcut to instant cash that has little future.  For others, nude is a carefully done walk to success.

Ignore the rude and crude.  Go with what you want to do.  If that is fully clothed, so be it.

Uhm WHAT?  Terri Hatcher has done full nudity in a few of her film roles going back some time.  I don't know if she has since "Heaven's Prisoners" in 1996 but she certainly did nudity in that film.  (That's not an argument that the OP should go nude BTW, just a fact check.  Models & actresses who never do nude are the minority by far.)

Kaitlin Lara wrote:

No one said the convention was a fake...they said that an agency being at a convention does not make them a reputable agency that can get you anwhere. Why do you think Quickbook charges you money? Any real agency that can make money off you would not have charged you $200 because you would be a source of income for them. If they aren't getting you work though, then you aren't making money modeling, and they get nothing from you...that is the only reason an agency would charge you, is if they cannot be certain that they can get you work. They may be real, if by real you mean they exist, but that doesn't make them good, or reputable, or mean that they will get you work. I can't even begin to understand how after so many people have told you you're wasting your time with these "agencies" that you still insist on fighting with them when you clearly are new to this and have no knowledge of the modeling world. Most of the advice was not NEGATIVE. It was HONEST. You are naive and stuck in the clouds though, and won't listen to anyone, regardless of how much more they know than you. And yes...your boobs are too big. High fashion likes small boobs, and unless your photos are really misleading, if you think you're a 34 A, you're wearing the wrong size bra.

contrary to what you think about knowing everything about everything there ever is to know ... my boobs are a 34 A. When I don't have a bra on there is basically nothing there at all.

UIPHOTOS wrote:
Hatcher was nude on a balcony in a movie where she played a mobsters wife.. I think Alec Baldwin was the mob boss.. Aniston has done implied nudes (nude with her legs crossed and arms over her boobs) for a magazine shoot I saw.. So BOTH have been nude.. Hatcher was full frontal in the movie.. that is when I realized her boobs sagged before she was on Seinfeld saying they were real and spectacular.. LOL

That's the film I mentioned, "Heaven's Prisoners," and yes her breasts looked awful.
Aniston also did a series where she was out in a field in a variety of sheer fabrics that her breasts were plainly visible thru.

Kali Hyde wrote:
I'm already signed with 2 agencies, I haven't talked to either of them about this yet though.

Work it with the agencies and don't let the bozos who want to get naked pics of you persuade you otherwise.  Also remember, not all people are who they say they are.  Check check check references and double and triple check!

What I think your port needs is high fashion images!

RTM Photographer wrote:
yeah... it must suck being gorgeous.  i don't know what i'd do with myself if i was that way...

I don't think that was necessary, but okay.

Kali Hyde wrote:

I don't think that was necessary, but okay.

Kali, I think that was meant as a compliment. You ARE gorgeous after all.

Kali Hyde wrote:
Sorry that I don't think good advice is " The thing that you did is a scam, you aren't with a real agency..because that agencies website doesn't have models that I know on it"

Kali,

That is precisely the best advice you've received on this whole thread!! Exactly the advice you aren't listening too that you term bad advice is the advice that means the most.

There are a finite number of agencies that are "legit".  There are a few more that are "trying".  There are thousands that "Want to be". There are millions that are "scamming".

You've run across two that are not "legit"... no one has ever heard of the agencies, agents, or heard of a booking created by them.

If no one has ever heard of them, then no one is ever going to hear of you through them.

Kali Hyde wrote:
I already shot with his photographer that is a well known photographer to make my comp cards.

Who cares? There are plenty of "well known" photographers right here on MM...

Kali Hyde wrote:
Well thank you, I don't think it's necessary to say it with an attitude though.

I think what you determined to be 'attitude' was sarcasm.

BlackWatch wrote:
You could probably make as much money working at the mall (absolutely no offense meant!) and not have to worry about naked pictures floating around everywhere. It's not like you make more than a few hundred bucks probably for a shoot...
Something to consider.

lololol

Kali Hyde wrote:
I've met Elite, IMG, and Ford. Those and a ton of other agencies were at a modeling convention I went to in September. Where I also met Victor, he signed me a week later. He was there with hundreds of other 'real agencies'.

I got 'chosen' to go to that ProScout thing too.... I walked up, they looked at me and some pics and I did a cold reading for a commercial. They told me they wanted me to stay and come back for a meeting with someone to talk more about the convention.

So I went, they talked. I left.

Probably what you and most of the other people should have done.
Seeing as how it costs over 1,000 dollars to attend that convention and your chances of being noticed by a real agency are slim to none unless you have an amazing, strong look.

Sure I wasted a good hour of my life but meh, oh well.

*If you have that kind of money to throw around I suggest investing in a strong portfolio that will cost you up of $600 and maybe that will help your chances of becoming a real model.

Kali Hyde wrote:

I understand all of that but Victors International isn't a high end big huge famous agency like Elite New York or LA Models. He was based out of New Orleans until Katrina, and now he is in Austin Texas. I don't think just because some people on a website haven't heard of him makes him not legit. I already shot with his photographer that is a well known photographer to make my comp cards.

but you're wondering why you're getting offers for nudes and playboy and not fashion????

Kali, to get the offers you seek you have to have real, big name, agency representation.

And as to your very insulting statement: "I don't think just because some people on a website haven't heard of him makes him not legit."

- There are several dozen members, who are active on the message boards, who are better known than the "agent" you're talking about.
- If we haven't heard of him, we haven't heard of you being represented by him.
- If we haven't heard of you being represented by him, then those that you want to hire you (high fashion clients) haven't heard of you at all.

Meehan wrote:
I'm a tad lost on the gorgeous part? I keep going back to her port to see if I missed anything.

lmao!  me too!

Meehan wrote:
I'm a tad lost on the gorgeous part? I keep going back to her port to see if I missed anything.

LOL.

Jessica Apple wrote:
lmao!  me too!

You aren't anything too great.

*Not to mention that you're 5'2, you have pretty much the same measurements..and weigh 10 or so pounds less than me.

Melissa Lynnette wrote:
So I get back on here and see that this thread is still going and this chick is still only listening to the people who are telling her what she wants to hear.  That's great. 
Sooooooooo.....................who wants to see me naked?

ME ME ME!!!!!!!!!! (Oh wait, was that a rhetorical question?)