Model
Kelli Charmae
Posts: 54
Newnan, Georgia, US
neoracer_xox wrote:
lets keep this one going, I wanna see it hit 317 pages lol yeah! lol
Model
Kelli Charmae
Posts: 54
Newnan, Georgia, US
neoracer_xox wrote:
lets keep this one going, I wanna see it hit 317 pages lol that must be what the other one on this subject hit : )
Photographer
neoracer
Posts: 765
Kent, Washington, US
Photographer
Papa Vic Photography
Posts: 8211
Glendale, Arizona, US
My suggestions: If you have -any- plan or goal to start modeling professionally, don't get in the bad habit of thinking you can take an entourage with you to a shoot. The only people who can get away with that are the super-models (who can also get way with no-shows or arriving so coked up or hung over the whole shoot has to wait two hours til they get out of the bathroom and the team of MUAs has had a chance to go to work on them). In the meantime, find photographers who's look you like and who have extensive ports with many different models. Perverts/GWCs are unlikely to have these. Talk to the photographer before the shoot. If you get an uncomfortable feeling, say "No thanks" and turn the shoot down. If you are shooting alone with a photographer and he/she does something that makes you uncomfortable, tell him/her "I don't feel comfortable" and discuss it with him/her. If he/she persists and you still feel uncomfortable, leave the shoot. The above covers about 99.99% of any situations you might possibly run into on a TFP shoot. TFP shoots are where you will most likely to find yourself alone with the photographer. If the question is about boyfriend trust issues, then please understand that statistically speaking (according to the DOJ, 86% of all assaults on women are by a relative, spouse or someone known to the victim) you are many many times more likely to be harmed by the person you take as an escort than by the photographer who's a stranger to you. You're on your own there.  Use common sense and you'll be ok. You have a nice look and should do well, IMO.
Model
Kelli Charmae
Posts: 54
Newnan, Georgia, US
PapaVic Photography wrote:
My suggestions:
If you have -any- plan or goal to start modeling professionally, don't get in the bad habit of thinking you can take an entourage with you to a shoot. The only people that can get away with that are the super-models (who can also get way with no-shows or arriving so coked up or hung over the whole shoot has to wait two hours til they get out of the bathroom and the team of MUAs has had a chance to go to work on them).
In the meantime, find photographers who's look you like and who have extensive ports many with different models. Perverts/GWCs are unlikely to have these.
Talk to the photographer before the shoot. If you get an uncomfortable feeling, say "No thanks" and turn the shoot down.
If you are shooting alone with a photographer and he/she does something that makes you uncomfortable, tell him/her "I don't feel comfortable" and discuss it with him/her. If he/she persists, leave the shoot.
The above covers about 99.99% of any situations you might possibly run into on a TFP shoot. TFP shoots are where you will most likely to be alone with the photographer.
If the issue is with boyfriend trust issues, then please understand that statistically speaking (according to the DOJ, 86% of all assaults on women are by a relative, spouse or someone known to the victim) you are many many times more likely to be harmed by the person you take as an escort than by the photographer who's a stranger to you. You're on your own there.
Use common sense and you'll be ok. You have a nice look and should do well, IMO. wow great advice and thanksfor the compliment
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
Bringing boyfriends to photo shoots are a horrible distraction to the model.
It invites petty bickering, maneuvering, boyfriend feels threatened and tries to be the alpha dog of the photo shoot, drama, childishness, and general emotional retardation.
Sometimes it's OK, but usually it sucks.
Basically it wastes valuable time and distracts when the purpose is to make the best photos we can. BF's often think they should be Art Directors when they don't know anything about equipment or photography.
I like to be a nice guy, but BF's turn professional photo shoots into child day care events.
Sad, but true.
Sorry, but I always have too much work to do and I don't have time or interest in training boyfriends to behave.
Model
Kelli Charmae
Posts: 54
Newnan, Georgia, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Bringing boyfriends to photo shoots are a horrible distraction to the model.
It invites petty bickering, maneuvering, boyfriend feels threatened and tries to be the alpha dog of the photo shoot, drama, childishness, and general emotional retardation.
Sometimes it's OK, but usually it sucks.
Basically it wastes valuable time and distracts when the purpose is to make the best photos we can. BF's often think they should be Art Directors when they don't know anything about equipment or photography.
I like to be a nice guy, but BF's turn professional photo shoots into child day care events.
Sad, but true.
Sorry, but I always have too much work to do and I don't have time or interest in training boyfriends to behave. thanks for your input! : )
Photographer
Papa Vic Photography
Posts: 8211
Glendale, Arizona, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Bringing boyfriends to photo shoots are a horrible distraction to the model.
It invites petty bickering, maneuvering, boyfriend feels threatened and tries to be the alpha dog of the photo shoot, drama, childishness, and general emotional retardation.
Sometimes it's OK, but usually it sucks.
Basically it wastes valuable time and distracts when the purpose is to make the best photos we can. BF's often think they should be Art Directors when they don't know anything about equipment or photography.
I like to be a nice guy, but BF's turn professional photo shoots into child day care events.
Sad, but true.
Sorry, but I always have too much work to do and I don't have time or interest in training boyfriends to behave. Yet another reason I likes ya 
Photographer
Mark Reese Photography
Posts: 21622
Brandon, Florida, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Bringing boyfriends to photo shoots are a horrible distraction to the model.
It invites petty bickering, maneuvering, boyfriend feels threatened and tries to be the alpha dog of the photo shoot, drama, childishness, and general emotional retardation.
Sometimes it's OK, but usually it sucks.
Basically it wastes valuable time and distracts when the purpose is to make the best photos we can. BF's often think they should be Art Directors when they don't know anything about equipment or photography.
I like to be a nice guy, but BF's turn professional photo shoots into child day care events.
Sad, but true.
Sorry, but I always have too much work to do and I don't have time or interest in training boyfriends to behave. This is one of the best statements on this topic.
Photographer
Craig Thomson
Posts: 13462
Tacoma, Washington, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Bringing boyfriends to photo shoots are a horrible distraction to the model.
It invites petty bickering, maneuvering, boyfriend feels threatened and tries to be the alpha dog of the photo shoot, drama, childishness, and general emotional retardation.
Sometimes it's OK, but usually it sucks.
Basically it wastes valuable time and distracts when the purpose is to make the best photos we can. BF's often think they should be Art Directors when they don't know anything about equipment or photography.
I like to be a nice guy, but BF's turn professional photo shoots into child day care events.
Sad, but true.
Sorry, but I always have too much work to do and I don't have time or interest in training boyfriends to behave. Of the 4 shoots where a boyfriend came with the model, all went great. The boyfriends all helped and encouraged the model to push their limits, as Click said, sometimes.
Photographer
Merlinpix
Posts: 7118
Farmingdale, New York, US
Mark Reese Photography wrote:
I didn't say that. What I said was it depends on the personality type of the boyfriend in a lot of cases. If the BF is the jealous "in your face' type he'd probably be a lot less welcome than one who is more likely to just sit in the waiting room and read. exactly, had some good ones, some the model and bf got the boot.
Model
Kelli Charmae
Posts: 54
Newnan, Georgia, US
Like I said before, this is getting way more love than my other thread... Brand new 2006 model : )~ real touchy subject, great thread, wtg me! lol
Photographer
4C 41 42
Posts: 11093
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
Bringing boyfriends to photo shoots are a horrible distraction to the model.
It invites petty bickering, maneuvering, boyfriend feels threatened and tries to be the alpha dog of the photo shoot, drama, childishness, and general emotional retardation.
Sometimes it's OK, but usually it sucks.
Basically it wastes valuable time and distracts when the purpose is to make the best photos we can. BF's often think they should be Art Directors when they don't know anything about equipment or photography.
I like to be a nice guy, but BF's turn professional photo shoots into child day care events.
Sad, but true.
Sorry, but I always have too much work to do and I don't have time or interest in training boyfriends to behave. Mark Reese Photography wrote:
This is one of the best statements on this topic. Ditto for me as well. Generally, the best models have a lot of confidence. They know what the deal is, what to expect at the shoot, how to conduct themselves, and they know that while we will be in close proximity, we're there to make photographs and nothing more. None of the models in my port brought a boyfriend to the shoot, they simply don't need the baggage.
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
LarryB wrote:
None of the models in my port brought a boyfriend to the shoot, they simply don't need the baggage. Baggage is exactly what boyfriends are at photo shoots.
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
Kelley Mantia wrote:
I don't go to shoots w/out him! It's very important for your personal safety. Just make sure he's mature and doesn't get in the way.  That's a good point. You should share this over on that damn escort thread.
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
Blackeyeliner Photos wrote:
If the boyfriend is a good boyfriend, who supports you and isn't a jerk, then why the hell not. And on the other hand, if a boyfriend is such a jackass, then why have him as a boyfriend? Why the hell not? How's the photographer supposed to know the guy isn't a jerk? Take the word of a model he's never met? You could explore your ideas over on the escort thread...
Photographer
StratMan
Posts: 684
Detroit, Michigan, US
In a nutshell,
agency models don't bring boyfriends, husbands, etc. they are paid to show up and work, does your boyfriend take you to his job for 8hrs daily? It really boils down to professionalism. Non-agency models bitch & moan about their safety, and want to demand to bring someone, while agency models normally do not place those demands, and guess what? they get paid a lot more money for their time & talent.
If the first thing out of a net-model's mouth is bringing thei rboyfriend, husband etc, to a shoot, I tend to dismiss the, and not take them seriously. I have ageny models show up & ontime, rarely do they cancel or no-show...why? because "I" report back to the agency, and they do not tolerate that from models, because the agency's "reputation" is on the line as well...
I shot a net model in fla., I met her, she was alone, when we setup th eshoot & location, she brought her boyfriend along, we shot, I made him hold a BIG reflector while standing thigh deep in the ocean...LOL but, every time I would get her attention, she would glance over at him, needless to say, it affected every frame I shot, and I SHOWED them to her as proof...and compared her attitude to headshots we had done a few nights prior... huge diff. If you waste my time & creative energy, then it will be a short shoot, and th elast one I'll do with you...
If you don't feel safe o fear for your life...then stay home & live in a bubble. Do you fear going to th egrocery store cause it's not safe?...jesus
Strat
Photographer
Gary Kennedy
Posts: 130
Brampton, Ontario, Canada
I've done two shoots with the boyfriend present. One was a nightmare, the other was fine!
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
Kelli Charmae wrote:
I was just wondering what everyone's perception is on boyfriends coming to photoshoots??? good or bad? liljjunior wrote:
I have had some great shoots with boyfriends present, some help with lights and others have great ideas for poses which a lot of photographers would not think to ask> So you as the photographer can use help (not just help, but "great ideas") from the BF for posing ideas?
Just wanted to make sure I got that straight!
Model
Kelli Charmae
Posts: 54
Newnan, Georgia, US
StratMan wrote:
In a nutshell,
agency models don't bring boyfriends, husbands, etc. they are paid to show up and work, does your boyfriend take you to his job for 8hrs daily? It really boils down to professionalism. Non-agency models bitch & moan about their safety, and want to demand to bring someone, while agency models normally do not place those demands, and guess what? they get paid a lot more money for their time & talent.
If the first thing out of a net-model's mouth is bringing thei rboyfriend, husband etc, to a shoot, I tend to dismiss the, and not take them seriously. I have ageny models show up & ontime, rarely do they cancel or no-show...why? because "I" report back to the agency, and they do not tolerate that from models, because the agency's "reputation" is on the line as well...
I shot a net model in fla., I met her, she was alone, when we setup th eshoot & location, she brought her boyfriend along, we shot, I made him hold a BIG reflector while standing thigh deep in the ocean...LOL but, every time I would get her attention, she would glance over at him, needless to say, it affected every frame I shot, and I SHOWED them to her as proof...and compared her attitude to headshots we had done a few nights prior... huge diff. If you waste my time & creative energy, then it will be a short shoot, and th elast one I'll do with you...
If you don't feel safe o fear for your life...then stay home & live in a bubble. Do you fear going to th egrocery store cause it's not safe?...jesus
Strat Great point!
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
Kelli Charmae wrote:
Like I said before, this is getting way more love than my other thread... Brand new 2006 model : )~ real touchy subject, great thread, wtg me! lol Just out of curiousity, Kelli, how come you didn't bring this up on the escort thread?
Photographer
alpenglowmedia
Posts: 9
I usually put the boyfriend to work as my assistant, holding reflectors, helping to position the model, etc. It makes them feel part of the creative process. To have them just stand around and get on my nerves doesn't make any sense.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
liljjunior wrote:
I have had some great shoots with boyfriends present, some help with lights and others have great ideas for poses which a lot of photographers would not think to ask> What kind of help do you need with your lights? Do you need someone to "hold them" or something? I know that I get a lot of offers from people wanting to "hold lights" for me.
Are you gonna let some random schmo stand there and tweak with your $600 monolight?
What kinda help could they possibly offer with your lights? If you tell them to turn on the slave what will they do? Probably ask you what the slave is and then make you walk over there and show him. Not very helpful.
On the other hand, he could get offended that you just asked him to "turn on the slave" (his girlfriend) and walk over and pop you upside the head.
Sorry, but if I were to allow an escort on a shoot I certainly wouldn't let them handle my lights. If in the rare instance they were asked to help, it would be carrying sandbags.
Photographer
Mark Reese Photography
Posts: 21622
Brandon, Florida, US
I'm shooting with a model on the 19th and she's bringing her boyfriend, hope he doesn't mind holding reflectors and such.
Model
Kelli Charmae
Posts: 54
Newnan, Georgia, US
gotta go, thanks to MM I am offecially NOT getting any work done at work : ) keep up the chatting, you all make GREAT points! Check back later : ) muah~Kelli~
Photographer
Conspicuous Photography
Posts: 86
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I was involved with a shoot last year for a fashion beauty consultant and she asked a few of her friends to be her model for that shoot.
One of the models, that lady brought her husband along... her husband was standing behind us the whole time and wouldn't shut up. That just totally destroyed all moods as it was the first time she did it anyway causing her to be more stressed out. Wound up we used only 1 photo. Wasted hour....
It's best to bring an escort but it's better off if the he is not a bf or husband imo.
Model
_Alexandra
Posts: 650
Alexandria, Virginia, US
John Jebbia wrote:
I really wish the mods would unzone that thread and put it in the pit. That was a fun thread. It was hilarious! It MUST have been a joke...
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
Chris Pun wrote:
I was involved with a shoot last year for a fashion beauty consultant and she asked a few of her friends to be her model for that shoot.
One of the models, that lady brought her husband along... her husband was standing behind us the whole time and wouldn't shut up. That just totally destroyed all moods as it was the first time she did it anyway causing her to be more stressed out. Wound up we used only 1 photo. Wasted hour....
It's best to bring an escort but it's better off if the he is not a bf or husband imo. Seriously, you guys could make a valuable contribution over on that escort thread. There seems to be alot of anti-escort sentiment over there (or that's my impression) and I think you and some of the others could add some balance. That would be nice for a change!
https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?t … 1&page=315
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
John Jebbia wrote:
I really wish the mods would unzone that thread and put it in the pit. That was a fun thread. model7299 wrote:
It was hilarious! It MUST have been a joke... Sweet little Gina. We all miss her.
Model
DawnElizabeth
Posts: 3907
Madison, Mississippi, US
It's probably already been said, but even TFP to me, is considered a job. I don't take my bf/gf to my real job, so I don't tend to bring them to a shoot. Unless they happen to be useful. Like my best friend Heidi was my make-up artist. Otherwise, I plan to meet or speak with the photographer first, if I still feel not so good about it, I don't shoot.
But to each his/her own, eh?
Model
_Alexandra
Posts: 650
Alexandria, Virginia, US
Curt Burgess wrote:
John Jebbia wrote:
I really wish the mods would unzone that thread and put it in the pit. That was a fun thread. Sweet little Gina. We all miss her. I miss her violent boyfriend, too!
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
It's probably already been said, but even TFP to me, is considered a job. I don't take my bf/gf to my real job, so I don't tend to bring them to a shoot. Unless they happen to be useful. Like my best friend Heidi was my make-up artist. Otherwise, I plan to meet or speak with the photographer first, if I still feel not so good about it, I don't shoot.
But to each his/her own, eh? Hey, Dawn. Can you please unzone that Gina thread and toss it in the Pit? Please?
Photographer
Fotografia-di-Asia
Posts: 6118
Park City, Utah, US
Kelli Charmae wrote:
Like I said before, this is getting way more love than my other thread... Brand new 2006 model : )~ real touchy subject, great thread, wtg me! lol well, what do you know? you asked a simple question and now you got some relationship advice. boyfriend and modeling are not good mix. unless the boyfriend is a photographer, MUA or hair stylist. those creatures are the best candidates to be model's boyfriend.
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
It's probably already been said, but even TFP to me, is considered a job. I don't take my bf/gf to my real job, so I don't tend to bring them to a shoot. Unless they happen to be useful. Like my best friend Heidi was my make-up artist. Otherwise, I plan to meet or speak with the photographer first, if I still feel not so good about it, I don't shoot.
But to each his/her own, eh? John Jebbia wrote:
Hey, Dawn. Can you please unzone that Gina thread and toss it in the Pit? Please? I'll second John's motion. Do the aye's have it?
Please, Dawn...
(that would be sweet!)
Model
DawnElizabeth
Posts: 3907
Madison, Mississippi, US
John Jebbia wrote:
Hey, Dawn. Can you please unzone that Gina thread and toss it in the Pit? Please? I have no idea what you're talking about?
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Curt... do you remember the title of that thread or a Keyword? I think Dawn's gonna help us out if she can find it.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Dawn.. her name was Gina Lee. And she only had a few posts, so if you can search by poster it shouldn't be too hard to find. Udo might know better though.. he was a participant.
Photographer
wishingtree photography
Posts: 1042
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
first off folks, give kelli a break. she's new (and a good girl from geogria).
i think she's figured out the best idea is to bring a (girl)friend if she feels someone should come along.
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
John Jebbia wrote:
Curt... do you remember the title of that thread or a Keyword? I think Dawn's gonna help us out if she can find it. No.. I just did a search on the files I have but nothing. I'll check a couple other things..
oh boy, oh boy!!
*edit*
wasn't it something like "why wont the photographer give me my pics?" ....
Photographer
Tim Baker-fotoPerfecta
Posts: 9877
Portland, Oregon, US
Kelli Charmae wrote:
lol, that is understandable! Boyfriends coming along for what purpose? To watch ... then no. No more than you would bring a boyfriend to your place of work to watch you work, why would you even consider doing the same for modeling - which is work; hard work.
For an escort - maybe, but only if they're supportive. I've shot with two models recently and both were great guys. The girlfriends actually drug them in some of the shots and they came out excellent.
Worst experience was with a boyfriend who was jealous of his girlfriend and will approve of disapprove of any shots she took. Basically, it was a huge waste of time as the girlfriend was so uptight we didn't get any good shots.
Best time: an out-of-town models was passing through. We had a shoot scheduled, she got into town, he dumped his butt at a local McDonalds and told him to wait for her until she got back (it was her car). Got great shots and had a lot of a lot of laughs about her b.f. playing on the toys at McD's.
Generally, unless your boyfriend is very supportive of what you do, will keep his mouth shut, and help you advance in your modeling career without inteferring in a negative way, then ok .... but basically, few boyfriends are like that and you're not modeling to put on a show for them, so my advice is to leave them home (unless they're models, too).
/tim
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