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Should a Black photographer disclose that fact?
UnoMundo Photography wrote: I dont think its a bad idea, I mean I really dont think its racist, cause if someone doesnt wanna work with a black, white, whatever, photogits their choice, if they want to be a bigot its america and they can, cause if they are going to walk out on said race anyway, isnt it better that the photogs time isnt wasted with possible wasted studio time. Plus sometimes it doesnt even matter the race its nice to see them since they know what you look like already. Aug 10 06 01:00 pm Link Foolio7714 wrote: Why in the world would I want a picture of who is moving into my neighborhood? Unless it's a model or a model wannabe I could care less. And as a Realtor I can tell you that not only don't we care, we don't care if you care. Aug 10 06 01:04 pm Link Don... I don't have an answer for you...but, I'm sure saddened to see that a model did that to you...(she's sounds like an ignorant loser) ~2e Aug 10 06 01:04 pm Link From Dictionary.com: mod·el (n.) 5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared As far as I'm concerned she was no model, I wouldn't want anyone imitating her behaviour. A photographer is a photographer, as long as they have at the very least one eye, one index finger and one camera they should be able to be whatever else they are or want to be without prejudice. What a horrible human being this person must be to act like that!! Aug 10 06 01:06 pm Link "I think that the reason I wasn't nominated for best R&B this year is because I'm white" ---Stevie Wonder, at the MTV video Music Awards. (forgot what year) You shouldn't have to tell anybody anything other than "stand right there", unless you want to. Aug 10 06 01:11 pm Link PPRO Analyst wrote: WoW! Just when I was starting to have a little more faith in humanity! That behavior is unacceptable..........and HELL NO you shouldnt have to tell anyone up front that has nothing to do with anything............. Sounds like a real nut job to me. Aug 10 06 01:11 pm Link Sometimes I wonder how people even dare to say things like that out loud... That was just so incredibly rude and ... ok, I can't even find words. Aug 10 06 01:14 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: You totally missed the point! Aug 10 06 01:15 pm Link rp_photo wrote: Yes, but the Realtor does not have a photo of the buyer to display to the neighbors as was mentioned earlier. Aug 10 06 01:17 pm Link Thats Absolutely ridiculous!!!! You should be judged only on the quality of your photographic work. If you're good it shouldnt matter if you're a dog who pushes the shutter button with your nose lol Aug 10 06 01:17 pm Link I don't think there's a thing wrong with being black, so you shouldn't have to list your color. But if someone is so bigoted that they can't work with someone because of race, creed or religion, that should be listed. Then you could of told her to not waste either of your time. Aug 10 06 01:19 pm Link Yes, that really sucks. There are a lot of threads on these boards that runs of on a racial tangent when the subject really has nothing to do with it. It is disheartening to say the least when it is really a clear case. I do not feel it is necessary or justified that you state you are African American but it is the only way to avoid going through this process and aggravation again. Be assured my friend, there will be others. I know it is not the same but it is one of the reasons I let a model know my age early on, just to avoid that âEwww, your old enough to be my fatherâ look. On another note, Can I borrow your condo?  Aug 10 06 01:19 pm Link I had a phtographer tell me not to freak out when I met him because he's young. I told him that what the photographer looked liked didn't really matter to me. If I've decided to do a shoot, it was based on the quality of work, not what the photographer looks like. That's why they're BEHIND the camera. Aug 10 06 01:21 pm Link markcomp wrote: A photographer-model relationship is a bit more intimate than neighbor-to-neighbor. In many cases, there is a high degree of trust required, especially if they are shooting alone together. Aug 10 06 01:21 pm Link Fuck her! Can't really think of anything more eloquent to say. I hope she reads all the responses to your topic. Aug 10 06 01:24 pm Link I recently had a shoot scheduled with a model. We spoke on the phone a few times and we decided on when and where the shoot would take place. She had never seen me, but I told here I'm originally from Long Island and a little about me and my background. We were to meet at a gas station. We exchanged information about the types of cars that we drive and met at a gas station. The funny thing was that when I pulled up next to her car she didn't recognize me, even though I was on the phone speaking with her at the same time. LOL She was smiling moments before she looked over to see me. When she figure out that it was me, in all my African-American glory, her face just went blank. It was funny to me at the time because this isn't the first time this has happened. She got out the car an was very quiet compared to how chatty she was on the phone. I immediatley introduced myself and asked her what was wrong. She said, "I guess, I just didn't know you were Black." I asked her if it mattered and she was like, no, but it was odd to her. Anyway, she did the shoot and loved the images. I guess it is just one of those things you kind of don't think about because color shouldn't matter, but to some people it sadly does! Aug 10 06 01:25 pm Link There's black photographers? Just kidding... So Says Amara. wrote: I think this pretty sums up the way I feel too. Aug 10 06 01:26 pm Link rp_photo wrote: Again, I agree with you but this is the statement I was responding to was: Aug 10 06 01:28 pm Link To play this on the different side, a few years ago I was posting on a St. Louis forum a few times when a model posted she was looking to do some shooting and wanted to know the race of the photographer. My reply was something like "though I don't see what difference that would make, I'm a white person in his 40's." The next thing I knew, I was told how so wrong to make the comment 'what difference does that make'. The model has the right to shoot with whom ever she wants to. I agree to the point you need to be comfortable, but behind the lens, what difference race has to do with experience. I'm still trying to figure that one out. Granted in front of the lens, if I asked for a redhead and nothing but blondes (NO JOKE INTENDED) showed up, it didn't meet what I was looking for, but good photography is just that, no matter who pushes the button. Aug 10 06 01:28 pm Link this post made me realize I don't think I've ever shot with a black photographer yet, not by choice, just by my location I assume. If she did not want to shoot with a black photographer, which is her choice, and no matter how racist it is, obviously she can do it, she should've asked. It's completely ridiculous to plan a shoot and then walk out because an unimportant piece of information like race failed to come up in conversation. If you want to put on your site that you are black because of this incident to help prevent it from happening in the future, that is up to you, but if anyone is going to be racist about who they work with, then it should be up to them to ask questions to find that out. ~Tara Aug 10 06 01:28 pm Link rp_photo wrote: I want a photo of that cable guy's ass crack before he comes to the house. Aug 10 06 01:33 pm Link PPRO Analyst wrote: Hell, no! Only the camera is black. Aug 10 06 01:36 pm Link My answer would have been much simpler. I would have answered her, "Holy crap, I'm black...thanks for telling me. I had NO clue.....damn are my mother and father going to be shocked!!!!!!!!!! Now someone better explain how the fuck that happened and how nobody pointed it out until you. Thanks a bunch." Aug 10 06 01:37 pm Link Let's just clear the air now so that there are NO surprises! This is what I look like. And yes, my camera case and shoes DO match and pay no attention to my shirt......I am a puurrrrrffect gentleman. *wink wink*  Aug 10 06 01:38 pm Link So Says Amara. wrote: I agree. Aug 10 06 01:39 pm Link I don't see why you should even have to ask this question (OP), but I guess we have not as humans evolved enought to realize it just does not matter what our race, religion or anything else has on just how good we are. But I guess to some people it does, just hang in there...try being a self declared amateur photographer and getting some of the people out there just to return your email. Aug 10 06 01:51 pm Link It is appalling to think that this garbage still goes on. She is a narrow minded bigot. You did nothing wrong. Sometimes I wonder how mankind has managed to survive this long. Aug 10 06 01:59 pm Link Any model that does this deserves to be banned from the human race..... I assume that this gal was going to shoot figure work with you and must have had a problem with a black photographer.... let's see, if you were a black DOCTOR and she was bleeding to death from a would near her pelvis, I reckon that she would have also told you "no thanks, I will only be operated on by white doctors." Yah right. This model is simply shamefully sick. No are under no obligation to disclose your race to anyone. Let this model rot in her bigotry. Aug 10 06 02:01 pm Link WG Rowland wrote: bullshit, that model wasnt judging the shoot, she was judging the man. she obviously must have had some idea of what the shoot was going to entail, her attitude is just disgusting and she had no right to say what she said to a man she didnt even know. Aug 10 06 02:04 pm Link Wow I can not believe that! You do NOT have to tell anyone that....that is totally irrelevant! Being black or white or asian, etc... has nothing to do with the quality of your work! My husband is black and if I were there or heard that I would have gave her what she deserved and knocked her right out of the modeling industry! That disgusts me! That should never be an issue! Aug 10 06 02:12 pm Link PPRO Analyst wrote: I rarely call girls assholes..but she is an asshole. Aug 10 06 02:14 pm Link Thanks to EVERYONE for the love! You've all made my day. I'm sitting here with a blank check for $200 (her fee & expenses), I'm going to fill it out in the name of the charity that gets the most votes in the next 4 hours, 7pm CST. I vote first; Habit for Humanity Aug 10 06 02:37 pm Link NOt At All!! I do have to say that I am asked if I can photograph black people, it is distinctly different being asked that vs. being the photographer! All that matter is what can do with your photos. Sorry that happened to you.Aug 10 06 02:42 pm Link PPRO Analyst wrote: The Human Fund. You can make the check out to Christopher Hartman. E-mail me for address. Aug 10 06 02:48 pm Link The day I have to offer that I'm white or answer that question is the day the other person better pray they are not in front of me.... don't EVER put up with that shit. It cuts both ways... we all have our "unfriendlies" out there... remember the best advise of all times....................NEXT! Aug 10 06 02:49 pm Link That's funny, she sounded taller on the phone. Why should it matter what race? One love! Aug 10 06 02:51 pm Link Arbor Day Foundation!!! We need more Trees!!! Aug 10 06 02:58 pm Link Daniel Schmidtka wrote: Pay attention, models! Aug 10 06 03:04 pm Link Sorry you've experienced it! I believe that every minority photographer will face that situation one day. I'd say put her on display and tell other photographers that she don't work with minorities. Aug 10 06 03:06 pm Link PPRO Analyst wrote: So far only three votes, let everyone you know on MM know about this vote! Aug 10 06 03:07 pm Link |
