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Should a Black photographer disclose that fact?
Had that happen once- It made me create my " Mask Series ". Truth is that craziness happens. When I first started a good friend of mine who covered WWII told me to walk into shoots and say " get over it " before anything else. Aug 10 06 12:05 pm Link This is one dumb shit! Don't let it get to you. Most models/photographers are not like that. Hell I believe America is not like that. Its a few dumb shits of every color that cause the problems! I love going to play grounds and seeing the kids play. No colors just fun. If ever in AZ I would love to meet/work with you. And if any of my bitches say anything I will Photoshop all kinds of bruises on them! LOL!!! Aug 10 06 12:07 pm Link rp_photo wrote: What I look like shouldnât be an issue. I am not going to be in the images she is. She liked your work before she found out you were too dark for her tastes. I would like to know why it matters to her. Perhaps she does not believe that a black man should see her naked. Aug 10 06 12:09 pm Link That is funny and sad all at the same time. I don't think it should matter one way or the other what you disclose before hand. There will always be someone out there who will hate you for something. I have plenty of people that don't like me for the simple fact that I am not afraid of the world. The best thing to do is to not give them the satisfaction of letting it bother you. They lose power if you trivialize their actions. Let it bother you and they got what they wanted.  Aug 10 06 12:11 pm Link yeah and while your at it you should tell her your sexual orientation.. what kind of socks you wear.. the kind of tooth paste you use... and what side of the bed you like ot sleep on.. cuz these are very important things to know when you are working with your photographer.. Wow it never ceases to amaze me the ignorance and stupidity of some people. I for one would have been completely offended and would have thrown her ass back in the trailer she crawled out of. Aug 10 06 12:12 pm Link I could see this happening with inexperienced wanna be models, but can't imagine that an experienced model would think like that. But then again if your a photog and only have pics of white models others might think your white only because there are no pics of black models...sounds dumb to me but I'm sure thats how some people think. Thats why I posted a pic of me with models, to let any potential model know that I'm Africian American. Since posting the pic I have had three or more models cancel a shoot. I would have thought that this form of art would be more like sports were skin color makes no difference. Not yet I guess. Aug 10 06 12:16 pm Link Im sorry that happened to you...I personally dont give a damn if photographer black..white...yellow...red....well you get the idea! Aug 10 06 12:16 pm Link Oh by the way...love your port...I would love to work with you!!!  Aug 10 06 12:18 pm Link rp_photo wrote: So you want to perpetuate the race shit. Aug 10 06 12:18 pm Link So Says Amara. wrote: AMEN! Aug 10 06 12:18 pm Link You SHOULD tell her - for your own sake. Look at the energy and time and emotional capital wasted because of her reaction. You can't afford that in your life. Better to let that person know everything about you and then let them come or not come. If someone is going to discriminate against you because you are black, or white, or jewish, or hispanic, or fat or whatever - let them. They are going to anyway, but let them not waste your time and the only way to ensure that is going to happen is to let them know up front. Maybe she was just a 'delicate flower' type and anything that did not match her expectations upset her - who knows. I had a situation where I was interviewing someone for a job and they were 350lbs and all I had were chairs with arm-rests. She couldn't fit into them! We had to have two people carry in a couch from the lobby for her to sit in. How embarrassing for me, and for this poor woman. But if she'd let me know beforehand I'd have had a chair without arms for her to sit in and things would have gone much better. Aug 10 06 12:19 pm Link You say you spoke to her on the phone and she didn't know you were black? You were obviously deceiving her by not sounding black. How are white people supposed to know who they should make appointments with if they can't tell the race of the person on the other end of the phone. Shame on you and I hope the next time you take other peoples feeling into consideration when you schedule a shoot or conduct any sort of business activity. *For those of you who do not understand sarcasm, this is the mother of all sarcasm. Aug 10 06 12:21 pm Link That's crazy! I don't even know what to say... Aug 10 06 12:22 pm Link everybody's been very diplomatic with their replies..mine is.. HELL NO! There is a reason photos of YOU aren't posted all over the place, because YOU aren't the service being provided, your photographical talent is. And the fact you live in a high-income area is even FARTHER besides the fact, outside of safety concerns. The only time race is an acceptable exchange is in the case of us models, because we ARE what's being provided.. and to the model.. you make us look bad.. lol... keep on pushin' on... Aug 10 06 12:23 pm Link OMFG. I'm at a loss. I would call her every name in the book right now, but I wouldn't want future clients to read this post. Aug 10 06 12:23 pm Link I've had 1-2 models act funny, but for the most part they are all okay with it. I usually meet my subjects before the shoot so we know each other ahead of time. Funny thing is that from my voice I sound 'white' and have to put up with that crap also. I wonder if some models try to be more sensual with me since most are posing with very little clothing, and are living that 'Jungle Fever' fantasy? Aug 10 06 12:24 pm Link PPRO Analyst wrote: Shooting while black. Aug 10 06 12:24 pm Link So Says Amara. wrote: ...I agree wholeheartedly!!! Aug 10 06 12:29 pm Link WHO CARES what color the photographer is, the work should speak for it's self! To day has been the first time I have been actualy moved enough to write on the forums,and all because of these type of biggots stories. I DONT have to tell people I am a Latino/Mexican photographer, so why should you have to tell them what color you are? I mean arent we all just from the same race? the HUMAN RACE? the RAT RACE of LIFE? Aug 10 06 12:32 pm Link I bet I get more models who won't work with a "mature" photographer than those who will reject a black photographer. It seems many "models" base their decision on who to shoot with based on how "cool" the photographer is vs. the work the photographer has done. I haven't had a model come right out and tell me she things I am too old but I highly suspect it was the reason some shoots didn't happen. Aug 10 06 12:32 pm Link markcomp wrote: Hint: to show dumb shitheads your ethnicity, here are code words or phrase to use during the phone conversation. Aug 10 06 12:35 pm Link That is shocking someone can be like that! She wont get far in life with that attitude. Debs x Aug 10 06 12:36 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: I don't agree with the disarming part but, I think it's fine to let them know what you look like. Aug 10 06 12:37 pm Link PPRO Analyst wrote: If you had told her, would she have stayed? Aug 10 06 12:37 pm Link Foolio7714 wrote: Would that be your neighborhood ? Aug 10 06 12:39 pm Link its the art that counts, not the color, race or creed of the individual creating it. she is shallow, and no matter how pretty the outside is, she will always be ugly inside. Aug 10 06 12:39 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: My neighborhood loves me. Black people are welcome. Aug 10 06 12:41 pm Link ryanfreeman wrote: been there, done that... you can keep it Aug 10 06 12:43 pm Link man, I wouldn't trip! You obviously have you rphotography together so I wouldn't let one model instance get you! forget it...you live and you learn, just step your photog game up...so the bigots will still have no choice but to be like Damn... Aug 10 06 12:44 pm Link You should have told her if and only if every other person states what nationality they are, Korean, Chinese, Indian, Italian, Brazilian, Scottish, and those Irish too. Probably mention religious backgrounds too. Then we can all just start throwing bombs, who wants to enjoy life anyway? Aug 10 06 12:44 pm Link Foolio7714 wrote: Good. 100 points and a beer ! the 7-11 cheap stuff, not the good German beer Aug 10 06 12:45 pm Link And this is the reason... I hope you handled it in a professional way and dismissed it. Grow from it, but don;t allow it to harm your talent. Stay strong, be proud. Aug 10 06 12:48 pm Link e-string wrote: Believe it. Racism is here to stay. I'm sure I've been overlooked because I'm black AND physically fit. That's a double-whammy and "scary" to a lot of non-black models. Aug 10 06 12:48 pm Link You can't be Black, I think this is a hoax. Everybody knows Black photographers just take booty shots. Besides if you were Black your big lips would keep you from getting close enough to the camera to focus, not to mention all the fried chicken grease would mess up the camera. (Did I leave out any stupid stereotypes?) Face it, she did you a favor especially if this was a paid shoot. If she is that stupid then you don't want her nasty ass fucking up your art. BTW great work. Please don't be angry at her, the retarded can't help it and she sounds like a short bus girl to me. Sorry you had to deal with stupidity and waste your time, but at least she showed. EDIT: to answer your question, NO you don't need to tell them you are black. You are the photographer, NOT the model. Aug 10 06 12:49 pm Link LOL, unless it is relevant to accessing a location I don't tell models that I am a C5-6 quadriplegic and confined to a wheelchair. I like seeing their face when we meet for the first time...is that harsh? I guess it just helps me get a good read on people. And like many others have said, either you like my work or you don't. Kevin Aug 10 06 12:50 pm Link Maybe she is one of those people who doesnt date outside her race and after talking to you on the phone she was like "wow he is such a nice guy" and thought she was flirting with you on the phone then when she got there realised you were black and got offended.. I know thats a childish poit of view but so is doing something like that... Aug 10 06 12:51 pm Link KARLOS MATTHEWS wrote: They'll just hide under their white hoods. Aug 10 06 12:52 pm Link What a total Bitch.... Lol, I don't know what she meant by that, as if it effects your work, or maybe she thought you were dodgy or that you would do something to her. Nevermind, she'll get hers, the person who she least expects it from will shit on her, Trust! Yes people, racism is still alive and well. I live in London, which is more multicutural than anywhere in Europe, but I know my blackness still offends some people, but they wouldn't dare say it... Lol! I JUST DON'T LET THEM EFFECT ME, AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU SWEETHEART. Love It! :-) Aug 10 06 12:54 pm Link Patricia Daniels wrote: I'm fine with that, but I draw the line at one-eyed, one horned, mighty purple people eaters. Aug 10 06 12:58 pm Link Aug 10 06 12:58 pm Link |
