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she is sexy and sixteen??!!??
I think nowadays girls are just to grown up. It is up to the parents to teach children as children and let adults be adults. The world is changing and the only ways morals will continue to exist is if parents put their foot down and Photgraphers and Agents do the same, other wise evreything will eventually go down hill. Jan 27 06 05:35 pm Link Okay, this might upset some people and screw-up a few paradigms but I feel that if we MUST settle on an age for "adulthood" it should probably be around 16. Why? -At 16, people who have developed normally are either fully physically mature or very close to it. - At 16, you can work a job and drive, taking your life and that of others into your hands. That responsibility should be acknowledged, if you regard them as children, they are devoid of responsibility. -By 16, those who have developed normally are cognizant of right and wrong, though they may still be impulsive or high-strung, studies have shown that in most children, they are cognitively mature (this is not to say that some minor changes might occur well into the 20s). -At 16, the law in most states allows them to consent to sex, this is NOT a choice that should be left to mere "children." Lastly: I met my current boyfriend at age 16-he was 25 at the time. We met at a concert, spent hours talking & discovering all we had in-common (he was a college grad. w/a degree in Anthropolgy, I was an anth. buff, we were both into the goth/industrial scene, both writers and artists and lovers of the fine arts, and so on). We began calling each other and after about 2 weeks our ages came out (I had thought he was 23 or so, he thought I was 22 or so), but at that point, we didn't care, we had already hit it off. Now, SEVEN YEARS LATER, we are still together. Together we have endured numerous family deaths (on my side), chronic illness (when I began having seizures at 18), we have traveled the world, stuck together through it all and made plans for our future. He wasn't a pedophile and he didn't take advantage of me, I pursued him. We fell in love. It worked out. Had I been a child, I don't see how any of that would have been possible. Jan 27 06 05:51 pm Link Hmm well in photoshoots I can see why underage should never pose nude..mostly because the parents and the reprocussions they can bring if their standards and ideas of comfortability and whats ok isnt the same as their kids As far as grown models I think it's always up to the individual...I love looking at some artistic nude shots...they can be breath taking...especially when theyr're photo edited and it looks like you're looking into another place..but, personally I've never been ok with being complelty nude : /...Soo thats why I believe it's all in personal choice and style...both by the model and photographer... Jan 27 06 08:00 pm Link Just last night, my best friend and I went out to dinner, just us girls, for my birthday. She's 16 and I'm now 17. She drives and I don't. Just want to get all of that clear first...lol We decided to go to a very nice-trendy place in Arundel Mills. We decided we would fancy up a bit but we wore jeans, nice tops and cool shoes and a little make up and yeah, we looked pretty nice. So over comes this gorgeous waiter and he says.."Would you ladies like to try one of our specialty beers this evening?" Well we're pretty mature girls but I have to admit, it was kind of cool! I just politely said, "Naaa, that's OK." (I don't drink anyway. I know it isn't legal but I'd be lying if I said some of my friends don't drink and worse) I'm sure if we'd have said, "Sure, why not?" the next question would have been "May I see your IDs?" LOL I also got a really nice demonstration of all of his beautiful ink work when we ordered. His tats were awesome! Oh...no, I didn't give him my number because #1, I have a boyfriend and #2, he was like 22 years old. I'm just not ready for the expectations of a MAN. I did however get a free birthday cake, a hug on my way out and nice note on my receipt from him that said..."Happy Birthday Beautiful!" What a nice birthday I've had!!! I just wanted to share my first restaurant experience being offered an alcoholic beverage. He had no clue how old we were. Like I said it happens all the time but this was the first time it came with a beer!LOL Jan 27 06 09:25 pm Link Jessica L wrote: HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESSICA!!! Jan 27 06 09:32 pm Link UdoR wrote: Thanks Udo! Hate to admit it but I can burp that song along with you!LOL Jan 27 06 09:40 pm Link Terry Breedlove wrote: Playboy and Hustler??? You cannot compare the too. Playboy has sexy nude images. Hustler has lezbians, cum shots, and oral???? Jan 28 06 01:26 am Link Krazy Krista wrote: And one female... Jan 28 06 01:36 am Link whos that? Jan 28 06 11:12 am Link I have 6 daughters and all grew up naturally because we talked to them, they knew how we as parents thought, they knew what the law was, they had a good education. It was better to get the information they required to make educated decisions from us than from some stranger. All of them had regular boyfriends before they were 18 and none of them got in the family way. Sexual issues here in Europe are much more free than in the USA (I lived in CA for 6 years). Two of the shots in my portfolio are of a girl of 15, she modelled catwalk in Milan at 14. I think one of the differences is the way we in Europe look at sensuality rather than sexuality. Ed Remington wrote: Jan 28 06 05:52 pm Link theda wrote: Krazy Krista wrote: And one female... Having an attraction to young girls is not unhealthy, it's human for us male species...oh and some females too... Jan 30 06 12:01 am Link i love the european arguement...remember, we didnt like it over there to begin with, so we started our own little nation...and who do ya'll call when germany gets out of hand???...thats right...you call US. Jan 30 06 12:26 am Link DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote: Agreed....! Jan 30 06 08:02 pm Link It's amazing how this post got launched with NO refernece photo to start from..Just one general statement and POOF..off and running... No wonder polititians get away with murder...nobody really pays attention... While the moderator did a great job of making some realy good points. I say again, the original post had no basis, just a randome statement. I would have loved to see a post which depicted the original post. We all know that many models start quite young and look quite sexy for their age, because of the MUA, Stylist and publications. I would shoot a 12,13,14,15,16, in a professional way anyday...Never to exploit...only in the realm of a professional shoot or project. Common Scence and good taste should always be in full effect no matter the age of a model. I am not in the porn industry..nor do I do anything that would be seen as out side of the main stream.. I really wish this post would have been accompanied by an image that spoke to exactly what this is supposed to be about.. Vance McDaniel Jan 30 06 08:08 pm Link Vance wrote: as the OP'er...i would not post a photograph of a young CHILD being made up to invoke a sexual connotation...taking the attitude of "the industry does it" is the same mindless attitude the nazi party needed to build their "thousand year" reich. Jan 31 06 07:06 am Link Sadly there was nothing MINDLESS about the Nazis... And providing a link to go along with your disdain would have lent the entire thread to a more focused and clear cut thread. Which, would have driven your point home. Hell you might even have made a true contribution to the deviant world of photgraphy. But hey, perhaps you didnt really want a productive thread. No worries..Our friendly moderator and 16 yr old model handled things quite well..Kudos GANG! With Regards, Vance McDaniel Jan 31 06 07:11 am Link 336 replies = stimulating conversation on the matter. Jan 31 06 07:13 am Link BCG wrote: Yeah, I think I spoke to that already... Jan 31 06 07:26 am Link BCG wrote: Now if more people would take this type of attitude and that of Vance things would be so much better. Just because a model is under age doesn't mean don't shoot him or her. Approach it in a professional manner and treat the model as if they were your own child and damn if you won't get some great shots. Jan 31 06 07:50 am Link I'm not completely sure if this pertains to this thread but I'm 16 and I have been approached about doing implied and lingerie.Is it even legal for me to do those kinds of shoots? Jan 31 06 08:22 am Link Chris Hansen wrote: I'm going with Chris on this one and I'm not even going to touch all the rest of can of worms that can; probably will be opened in this thread. Just treat the shoot as a professional one with lots of respect and realization that it is more of a portfolio building shoot and nothing more and everything will be fine. Jan 31 06 08:31 am Link Curiosity has my jumping back in here again, two points/comments/questions to raise. First, how may here work in the Seniors Portrait market? It's not that big a thing here in Canada, but I have seen some BEAUTIFUL work and some of it is quite sexy. Remember, these are a series of portraits that are telling the stories of people leaving behind the trappings of adolescence and becoming women/men. Most of them are 16-17 years old, as I understand the US school system. Are those who are stating 16 â sexy against these portraits as well, as the work often has a strong element of glamour, humour, and sophistication to them? Second, I have to say, I'm a little put out by the condescending attitude directed to a couple of the responders, because of their age. I'm reading the posts as, 'quiet girl you are not old enough to form an opinion', yet these young ladies are the people this thread should be soliciting for their views. Jan 31 06 08:31 am Link Nora_Neko wrote: With as many threads that have circulated about age and legalities, I'm not going to go into all the detail of it. I will only say that it might be a good idea to find out what the laws are in your state and county/city. God only knows that if some over jealous parent or adult hears or sees of it, be prepared for all the feedback. Jan 31 06 08:35 am Link Doug Harvey wrote: yeah I've tried to look it up before but all I got was what defines child porn.lol I mean I'd have no problem doing it but I'm not modest or shy.My mom would probably die though.lol Jan 31 06 08:40 am Link Leaf in the Wind wrote: seriously.I'm 16 and I feel that I'm just as mature as I will be as an adult.I'm homeschooled,I have a job, I practically raise my 2 baby cousinds and I take care of my sick grandma everyday.I have more responsibility than most adults.So I hate it when just because of my age I get treated like a child. Jan 31 06 08:43 am Link Leaf in the Wind wrote: As I stated, and no slam to BCG..But the original post was vauge in my opinion and lent itself to random comments. I personaly would have posted or linked to an image which clearly backed up my point. All responces were valid in therindividual perspectives. Jan 31 06 08:44 am Link Nora_Neko wrote: IANAL, but I suspect, and am generalizing here, the answer would be yes, it would be legal. However, the photographer still needs to get his/her release signed by your legal guardian. Jan 31 06 08:46 am Link Leaf in the Wind wrote: yeah that makes sense.That's what I was thinking. Jan 31 06 08:48 am Link Nora_Neko wrote: Wow... I haven't even finished my first cup of coffee and I am making sense... this bodes well for the rest of the day. Jan 31 06 08:59 am Link Nora_Neko wrote: I'm sure that trying to find something in the laws that actually makes sence is going to be hard, but it was just a suggestion. Jan 31 06 09:03 am Link Nora_Neko wrote: Well, heck, Nora. I was just on your OMP portfolio. Nice stuff. But I have to say, you at 16 have already done fetish, which is dangerous waters legally for a photographer to shoot of an underage model because of the sexual connotations behind fetish(or so I was told by a few photographers and lawyers in the past), lingerie is definitely more tame than you being in latex holding a whip,lol. Jan 31 06 10:04 am Link can i just make a point please  ...at 16 most..young adults shall we say lol? are already sexualy active and have been for a while...well doesn't that mean that other people must find them sexualy attractive for this to be happening? maybe its just people dont like realising or accepting itJan 31 06 12:16 pm Link x-leila-x wrote: tell it girl ..tell it... Jan 31 06 12:37 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: I think lingerie is a lot worse than being in a full body pvc jumpsuit.heh atleast I'm covered. Jan 31 06 12:43 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: I think lingerie is a lot worse than being in a full body pvc jumpsuit.heh atleast I'm covered. Jan 31 06 12:43 pm Link Nora_Neko wrote: You may be covered but fetish(and s&m represented by the whip) is considered a sexually deviant lifestyle and as I recall from talking to a few lawyers, a minor doing fetish modeling can get the photographer in trouble easier than if he shot art nudes of her. Granted this talk with the lawyers was a couple years ago, but I do do fetish photography now and then. Jan 31 06 12:47 pm Link yeah makes sense but since I'm covered I always thought of them more as gothic fashion shots than fetish Jan 31 06 12:52 pm Link Nora_Neko wrote: gothic fashion and fetish fashion can be pretty much the same thing in many cases. You doing fetish fashion in some circumstances is one thing, but the whip adds a whole new legality issue side to things. Jan 31 06 12:54 pm Link yep i told it lol and another thing..i think some of the people further back in the thread couldnt differentiate between child pornography and a mature 16 year old in a sexy outfit or pose..lol odd people and about the whole whip thing one of my togs said a girl could shoot in lingirie but as soon as the pic becomes in anyway sexual then it could be illegal.. like i dont think my lingirie one is sexual in the slightest Jan 31 06 01:02 pm Link x-leila-x wrote: and thats even in the UK where people are more open than we are here in the US. But yea, her shots I believe would be ok as they are, but adding the whip can make things a hairy situation for the photographer. Jan 31 06 01:16 pm Link |
