MaryPetiteModel wrote:

If you are STILL retaining this guy as your manager, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Seriously, this pisses me off to NO END.  If you choose to work with scum, they will introduce you to more scum!  You should be running for the hills from all of these people...but instead you choose to whine and continue engaging in the same behavior repeatedly, wondering why things don't change.

Having looked at your profile, you also need to do a lot of work to appear more professional yourself (sorry, but you have to expect some criticism of yourself, rather than just criticism of "the other guy").  If you stopped referring to yourself as "cuteninnocent",, began using your profile for NETWORKING (rather than looking for "friends"...read between the lines, as if you were some random horny guy, and then DO THE MATH), you'd avoid many of these problems.  You need to look at this as a BUSINESS, even it if it IS just a hobby for you. 

Until you do your part to be mature and responsible, you will continue this cycle.  You should not be asking for help from others when you are incapable of defending yourself (with your so-called manager).  I'll bet your "manager" doesn't have a license either, right?

I'd wish you luck; but lack of it has painfully little to do with your situation.

In short: no amount of advice can repair poor common sense.

Amen!

Kinel wrote:
Okay the asterisks represent the letter s...but I didn't want to be too blunt with it..I am just wondering it ...I ended up having a discussion with 10 other models at once (not over the phone in person) and they were all wondering the same thing...It seems in our experiences photogs have gotten a little "too" into the photo shoot..I have heard ever thing to photogs claiming they will not give the photos to the model unless she has sex with them before she leaves...photogs that get hard..or just plain photogs that when you get there all they talk about is sex... I have had ONE really BAD BAD BAD experience with a photog that I think I might report but on the other hand I have had one really professional photog that didnt try anything with me.....but it seems most i have shot with ask me to have sex with them in mid shoot and if I say no then they lose all interest in the shoot and the pics come out like the ones you see in my port...I believe I am beautiful geesh would any of you photogs out there shoot me for TFP/TFCD (the real acronym)  hypothetically and realistically..tell me what you think....But on the real I do not bad mouth photogs just had bad experiences I think it beautiful what photogs do...models as well and when you put two amazing ppl together you create pics that make people go wow...geez i love photogs (for the most part) and models (for the most part) damn i just love this industry...hehehe (4 the most part)

Kinel wrote:
Oh gosh..I am just discovering that this thread has been brought back and I am disapointed..this is something that happened LAST august 2005..I have shot with others since that time and have not had any bad experiences since..so I would say I am doing just fine with my judgement. The pictures I had in my port, I do not have up any longer. I am over that time and have found very good photogs that do TFP and have not tried anything with me. Like I said before just because I have a good or bad experience with a photog doesnt mean you will have the same good/bad experience. Thats like saying a guy killed his second wife and his first wife says but he was good to me..that doesnt matter! Hell people are known for change..maybe he has gotten his stuff together since then maybe he hasnt who the hell knows...all I know is that I will never create a thread in modelmayhem again..I was glad when this thread was dead and want a MODERATOR TO PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD..I dont care to talk about this any further or to be subject to anymore "you are to blame" comments, for the record since I have been on modelmayhem I have had no bad experiences with anyone so do keep in mind that this was FOREVER ago..damn I have let it go..I have forgiven the photog and talked to him because I am not a hostile person and with that said..LET IT GO! Thank you and I am hoping a mod will lock this thread in the near future...never to be seen again. (o;

holy S! you're right, I checked out the dates, why did this show up again?

Lapis wrote:
I am baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. I just had to hit the reply button and bring this one back....

I have been trying to figure out how this thread came back to life!  You, I knew it had to be you.  If it wasn't you, it had to be someone like you, but now I am sure it was you.  Or at least it is someone who looks like you, talks like you and posts like you.

Oh, but I just think it is is you, hahaha.

So time to flog a dead horse.  Anyone up for it?

Kinel wrote:
Okay the asterisks represent the letter s...but I didn't want to be too blunt with it..I am just wondering it ...I ended up having a discussion with 10 other models at once (not over the phone in person) and they were all wondering the same thing...It seems in our experiences photogs have gotten a little "too" into the photo shoot..I have heard ever thing to photogs claiming they will not give the photos to the model unless she has sex with them before she leaves...photogs that get hard..or just plain photogs that when you get there all they talk about is sex... I have had ONE really BAD BAD BAD experience with a photog that I think I might report but on the other hand I have had one really professional photog that didnt try anything with me.....but it seems most i have shot with ask me to have sex with them in mid shoot and if I say no then they lose all interest in the shoot and the pics come out like the ones you see in my port...I believe I am beautiful geesh would any of you photogs out there shoot me for TFP/TFCD (the real acronym)  hypothetically and realistically..tell me what you think....But on the real I do not bad mouth photogs just had bad experiences I think it beautiful what photogs do...models as well and when you put two amazing ppl together you create pics that make people go wow...geez i love photogs (for the most part) and models (for the most part) damn i just love this industry...hehehe (4 the most part)

The industry is been damage by a few who believe that it is and honor and a privilege to shoot them, but do not bring any credentials to the table, never been published any-wear, not worked for any one, and for the most part it shows in your portfolios, (and I am not talking about your internet portfolios that any digital camera can make passable for a computer screen that is only looking at 72 DPI)
If its your body that the shooter is interested in shooting and thats all you see in his port, you need to question is motivation and if his camera is just an extension of his penis.
A real pro does not care if you are fully dressed of naked, he is there to get the job done. Remember you get what you pay for, it is not always about the money, some of us are more than willing to work something out with the models, dont expect to get great work for nothing, make and effort to make the shooter feel like the pro that he is, with the average pro charging over $100.00 per hour, offering to at least pay for prints brings the shoot back to a business transaction and that eliminates any expectations that the shoot is going to be anything else.

Clique7 Studios wrote:
I read your post and took a look at your port. For crying out loud stop your whining. "I'm so busy," "I'm broke," etc. Simple answer is; if a photographer hits on you for sex pick up your bags and leave -- period.

Correction...if a photog. asks you for sex, pick up your bags and leave, and let other models know about that photographer.

A photo shoot is not meant to be a hook-up spot, and if a photographer (or model) thinks that it is, they need to take their a$$ to a singles bar instead of using the photography (or modeling) business to get laid.  Don't photographers know that models talk???

A photographer trying to f**k his models should NOT be considered normal behavior that you just brush off, and I don't care if it is some pitiful, horny fat dude who doesn't get any.  The only time a photog. should be asking his model for sex is when the model happens to be his girlfriend. 

As the poster of this thread stated before, this thread is from last year and she got over that incident.  I agree that this should be locked, because she's moved on and it has to suck for her to come on here and still find people giving her a hard time and posting replies like "Get over it...I don't believe your story...etc."

IvyLynn wrote:
I've -never- had a photographer ask me for sex..... If they did I'd stop the shoot right there and get the fuck out!

I have never had a photographer ask me for sex......

I thought TFP meant

Anna H Photography wrote:
shoot ONLY with female photos, LOL!
Nah, just bring a friend next time..or your dad..LOL. its not right for anyone to do that kind of thing. its not professional, it doesnt even seem like they ARE REAL photographers. the best thing to do(if they are on this site) is to check if they worked with people on here and get in touch with those people...also any comments left on thier page would indicate if they are any good. sorry to hear about the bad times.

Hey, Anna.  I agree about bringing an escort to shoots, even though I haven't done that yet.  As far as checking comments on the photographer's page, I think the photographer is able to delete comments from his page, so if a model were to post a comment about him (warning other models about him) he could erase it before MM viewers see it.