Forums > General Industry > Does TFP really stand 4 Time For Pu**y???

Photographer

Jason Anderson

Posts: 37

BRONX, New York, US

I'm not feeling how earlier, some of the first responses by people involved she must have been shooting with a pervert with a digital. Granted digital cameras make it easier for people to just say they are a photographers and see women naked, but there are people out there who shoot digital and not about that. I'm pretty sure before the creation of digital where was just as many film photographers who did the same thing using that to get women, so don't put the spotlight and make it seem like if you shooting with a digital photographer that's what you can expect

I'm fairly new to photography by most people scales, and i shoot in all digital, all the time. I however can stand by my record any model i've shot I have never ask for sex, made an gesture, remark, or suggestion that would make an model feel uncomfortable. Shoot by nature i don't try to even shoot anything remotely of the nude nature. I'm just not into that kind of photography. But ask any model i've worked with and i stand by my record, and i'm a digital photographer. Let's not assume a digital photographer equates perverts or GWCs. It's GWCs not GWDCs so Guy With Camera can be either Film or Digital.

Aug 29 05 01:35 pm Link

Photographer

Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

XtremeArtists wrote:

That's what the call girl told the lepper...

yikes

Aug 29 05 01:36 pm Link

Body Painter

FleshandColor

Posts: 194

San Diego, California, US

I tried a TFP with myself one time and the photographer couldnt keep his hands off me...ill never shoot with me again.

Aug 29 05 01:56 pm Link

Photographer

Aperture Photographics

Posts: 310

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Zach Watkins wrote:

Lora wrote:
Well good luck getting someone to pose nude now.

yeh just take part of what i say and out of context it looks bad. thanks! you rock!
1 im not a nude photographer or GWC lookin to get off. all im sayin is that if a lady wants some hot photos for her hubby on V-day and im not even slightly aroused, or at least thinkin "damn, thats hot" when i shoot the foto, how is her 47yr old hubby gonna react? simple, he's not, hes gonna go get a playboy or somethin'. and thats not what she came to me for now is it?

reacting to your arousal is when the professionalism goes out the window and good photographer get a bad rep.

Zack Zack....it's not your young age or your portfolio that is turning girls away.

Aug 29 05 03:32 pm Link

Photographer

Zachary Reed

Posts: 523

Denver, Colorado, US

Aperture Photographics wrote:
Zack Zack....it's not your young age or your portfolio that is turning girls away.

WTF is that supposed to mean? And how the hell do you F up my name when its spelled out right in front of you?!

Aug 29 05 04:09 pm Link

Photographer

dax

Posts: 1015

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

The internet is such a circus! Im so glad Im not a girl! woah!

Aug 29 05 04:42 pm Link

Photographer

studiomona

Posts: 394

Kinel,

Given the wide array of responses your thread has received, do you think your question has been answered to your liking?
What do you think now? (LOL, that think word again hehhehe)

Aug 29 05 04:52 pm Link

Photographer

Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

Zach Watkins wrote:
WTF is that supposed to mean? And how the hell do you F up my name when its spelled out right in front of you?!

I could be wrong, but I'm thinking she might be referring to attitude.

Aug 29 05 05:00 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Brummitt

Posts: 40527

Clarkston, Michigan, US

Two things:
1.  I purchased a hidden video detector for my wife at a cost of about $35.00.  You should get one. and
2.  Always put your finger to the mirror anywhere you are changing.  If you see a gap between your finger and the reflection, then it is a real mirror.  If the reflection "touches" your finger, it is a two way mirror.

Aug 29 05 05:40 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

euewwwwwwwwwwwwww!@ this thread

Aug 29 05 05:46 pm Link

Photographer

Zachary Reed

Posts: 523

Denver, Colorado, US

DigitalCMH wrote:
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking she might be referring to attitude.

well up until my words were taken out of context earlier i was a pretty nice person. i don't like it when people don't just say what they mean. but yeh i'll own up to that, i've got a bad attiude at times. it comes from growin up in the projects.

Aug 29 05 05:54 pm Link

Photographer

Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

Zach Watkins wrote:

well up until my words were taken out of context earlier i was a pretty nice person. i don't like it when people don't just say what they mean. but yeh i'll own up to that, i've got a bad attiude at times. it comes from growin up in the projects.

It might just be me, but I'd think about rewriting your "Bio" as it seems...I'm not sure about what the right word would be...but...I just can't put my finger on it.  Maybe unapproachable is the best word I can come up with, but it doesn't sound right to me...but maybe somethign along those lines.  Perhaps if some other female models could comment?

Aug 29 05 06:13 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

again. this thread is so icky, it should be dead. euewwwwwwww at this thread.

Aug 29 05 06:18 pm Link

Model

Kina Dore

Posts: 45

Adelphi, Maryland, US

studiomona wrote:
Kinel,

Given the wide array of responses your thread has received, do you think your question has been answered to your liking?
What do you think now? (LOL, that think word again hehhehe)

I think that with everything you can never be 100 percent sure that it's safe..you have to cut your losses and learn from your bad experiences and hope they wont reoccur and look forward to the good ones..everything in life has its ying and yang bad parts and good parts..it always seems the people you are least suspicous of have less noble intentions..besides I dont want to know what could have happened if i were there all alone..besides all of this i just wish people in these forums weren't so quick tempered this site is meant to help people get together, network and help each other out not to be mean and discouraging and placing scrutiny on everything people post...ive seen other thread and it seems people on here love to argue and have such attitudes ..if you think what somebody posted is stupid in your mind why did you even read it at all or post on it.and just think it and move on...being nice to others and being understanding goes farther then most will ever know..you also never know how being kind to someone can alter someones life or affect it....

Aug 29 05 07:24 pm Link

Photographer

Valkyrur

Posts: 1187

Nelsonville, New York, US

You should stop shooting with the 'America's most wanted' guys ...

Aug 29 05 07:35 pm Link

Photographer

Alfred Long

Posts: 20

Dallas, Texas, US

Kinel,

You have men and you have pigs. Men are there to work together with the model to create. Pigs are there for something else. Unfortunately, pigs do know how to use photographic equipment. TFP/TFCD is a very handy way for everyone to get what they need - photos. I have a print portfolio that I bring with me to my shoots so there's proof of the kind of work I do as well as the websites.

Alfred Long III

Aug 29 05 07:37 pm Link

Photographer

XtremeArtists

Posts: 9122

Alfred Long wrote:
Unfortunately, pigs do know how to use photographic equipment.

https://camera-toybox.com/pa0001pig.jpg

Aug 29 05 07:42 pm Link

Model

Ocean Jasper

Posts: 2623

Vatican City, Holy See, Vatican City

pigs are also men

Aug 29 05 07:54 pm Link

Model

Kharizma

Posts: 455

Concord, California, US

LMAO lets be equal opportunity..women can be pigs too..

Aug 29 05 07:59 pm Link

Model

Amber Dawn - Indiana

Posts: 6255

Salem, Indiana, US

I've worked with some photographers who didn't ask for sex but would tell me they are getting turned on ... But then again what photographer dosn't get turned on when they are looking at a beautiful model? Answer that one.

Aug 30 05 10:14 pm Link

Photographer

Marvin Dockery

Posts: 2243

Alcoa, Tennessee, US

CO Model Amber wrote:
I've worked with some photographers who didn't ask for sex but would tell me they are getting turned on ... But then again what photographer dosn't get turned on when they are looking at a beautiful model? Answer that one.

Do you think your doctor gets turned on when you are sp###d for an exam? (he or she)

  I am sure a lot of photographers are the same way. Getting turned on is the last thing on my mind when the model is getting more than a dollar per minute, of my money.

Aug 30 05 10:26 pm Link

Model

Kina Dore

Posts: 45

Adelphi, Maryland, US

Well i have talked to alot of photographers and it seems most think it is normal to get turned on (not saying its a bad thing) but they basically ay it's what you do after you are "turned on" that makes you unprofessional or not

Aug 30 05 11:22 pm Link

Photographer

commart

Posts: 6078

Hagerstown, Maryland, US

I'm sorry I got around to reading through this thread so late . . . .

Kinel: ditch the pictures.  All of them.  Start over with a head shot.  I think you also have a full-length snap shot of you casually (fully) dressed and that may be helpful until you can replace it (on the first chance you get).  Babydoll and buns-up poses plus scene / setting / implied context send a message, and through your pictures you may have unwittingly signaled the photographer to play you, which neither faults you at 18 nor excuses the shooter.  As it's something you can fix today, fix it.

If you can get to Laurel, I have an hour for you for head shots and casuals just to get you going.  Probably, by height and figure, you're going to get glamour, implied nude, and nude offers but you need not invite nor endure ambush a second time. 

I got a kick out of the comments on "old guys", especially from that young whippersnapper, by golly, by gumbo.  Lol!

Aug 30 05 11:45 pm Link

Photographer

Aperture Photographics

Posts: 310

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Kinel wrote:
Well i have talked to alot of photographers and it seems most think it is normal to get turned on (not saying its a bad thing) but they basically ay it's what you do after you are "turned on" that makes you unprofessional or not

Yeah, right.  It's not normal.  You're talking to perverts with cameras.

Aug 30 05 11:50 pm Link

Photographer

Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54196

Buena Park, California, US

Marvin Dockery wrote:
Do you think your doctor gets turned on when you are sp###d for an exam? (he or she)

  I am sure a lot of photographers are the same way. Getting turned on is the last thing on my mind when the model is getting more than a dollar per minute, of my money.

I don't think this is a good analogy.  Why?  Cause a patient is rarely attempting to be sexy during an exam.  She's not putting her finger in her mouth.  She's not throwing her hair back.  She's not tugging at the side of her panties and giving you a look of "Come get me"

I'll admit, out of all my shoots, there was only once (maybe twice, but I can only recall one) that I was getting a bit aroused.  However, I am generally in the "zone" and I'm not thinking sex.  I'm thinking angles, lighting, poses, technical stuff.

I'll admit another thing (which I think I already said in this thread) that I get more aroused while working in Photoshop than I do during a shoot.  I think that has a lot to do with the massive amounts of staring involved while editing.  Examing details that I can't do through a tiny little viewfinder on a camera.

Aug 30 05 11:51 pm Link

Makeup Artist

Sid

Posts: 92

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Hi Kinel,
I'm a mua out of Alexandria, VA. I have to say that you have to take the next step and report that scumbag, and fuck off your manager. If he really cared enough about your carreer he wouldnt get you involved with that project. To be completley honest, the images I saw from the link, are not the best, rather cheesball, and ghetto. If you want to shoot with some really good professional photographers contact me.

Sep 01 05 06:58 am Link

Photographer

XtremeArtists

Posts: 9122

Marvin Dockery wrote:
Do you think your doctor gets turned on when you are sp###d for an exam? (he or she)

  I am sure a lot of photographers are the same way. Getting turned on is the last thing on my mind when the model is getting more than a dollar per minute, of my money.

Worst comparison ever.

Doctors go to school for years and study, go into massive debt, pass a series of exams, and have to get a medical license before they can call themselves a "doctor". His job is to help people. Some of them specialize in gynecology after 6 or 8 years of study and internship and make a lot of money after they pay off their debts. Between deciding to be a doctor, and becoming a practicing doctor is a period of several years. There's not much motivation if one is only getting into it for the chicks.

Meanwhile, dude buys a camera, takes a few photos, maybe rents some studio, and calls himself "photographer" after a day to a few weeks. He starts shooting nude chicks, even though it's one of the least profitable forms of photography. He thinks, "wow, only a few weeks ago I was a loser. Now babes are stripping for me."

Now, we all know there are stories of doctors molesting patients after going through all that education, training, and expense. Imagine how many pervs skip all the training and expense of becoming a gynecologist and becoming a photographer instead.

Sep 01 05 07:14 am Link

Photographer

Michael Parks

Posts: 19

Cleveland, Ohio, US

XtremeArtists wrote:



... He starts shooting nude chicks, even though it's one of the least profitable forms of photography...[/quote wrote:


Gonna have to disagree with you on that one.

Sep 01 05 07:39 am Link

Photographer

XtremeArtists

Posts: 9122

Michael Sinclair wrote:
Gonna have to disagree with you on that one.

Really?

The average amount spent on wedding photgraphy is $2,500 per wedding.

I don't think the average nude shoot nets a photographer that much.

A photographer shooting product photography for national use can easily bill from $6,000 to $12,000 or more on average.

I don't think average nude shoot nets a photographer that much.

A photographer shooting portraits and headshots of housewives and CEOs can bill at least $300 to $600 for an hour's work, more if they are good at it.

These numbers are off the top of my head. If anyone has any actual industry data, I would love to see it for myself.

Of course, I'm sure photographers that specialize in pr0n can make some coin. The thing is for every one photographer who is making money, I'm sure there are close to 1,000 who aren't (if you count GWCs).

You'll notice that GWCs don't usually shoot landscapes, products, lifestyle, or stock. So they bring down the average for the few photographers shooting nudes and making any substantial total.

Sep 01 05 07:53 am Link

Photographer

Saerbreathach_Photos

Posts: 2398

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Zach Watkins wrote:

well up until my words were taken out of context earlier i was a pretty nice person. i don't like it when people don't just say what they mean. but yeh i'll own up to that, i've got a bad attiude at times. it comes from growin up in the projects.

People have bad attitudes no matter where they grow up.  next excuse please.

Sep 01 05 08:01 am Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

This sort of stuff always makes me shudder.  I never work with models alone.  I always have at least one female assistant (at one point when I was working with a [gay] male makepup artist I always made sure to have a female assistant as well) so I won't have to have any unnecessary physical contact with the models.  I always encourage them to bring an escort.  I don't want there to ever even be the APPEARANCE of impropriety.  This business isn't that big & I wouldn't want people talking badly about me.  I've had business disputes with some models who might give me bad references on account of it, but even then no one would veer accuse me of anythign like this.
As for becoming visibly aroused, I am generally FAR too focused on my work for it to be an issue...in response to comments some have made, I should be able to shoot photos that might make someone else hot without having to be "hot" myself, it's called being a professional.  Being male & physical responses being what they are, I wont' say there is never an unintentional physical "response" but I certainly always dress in such a way that it wouldn't be noticeable and would never bring it up.
When I see stuff like this it just makes me sick tho, becuase it tars those of us who're looking to work legitimately, especially if we work with nudity in any respect, no matter how artfully.  A few models who get burned by perverts make us all look bad.

Sep 01 05 08:27 am Link

Model

DawnElizabeth

Posts: 3907

Madison, Mississippi, US

Dax wrote:
The internet is such a circus! Im so glad Im not a girl! woah!

Me too.....glad you're not a girl, that is

Sep 01 05 08:36 am Link

Model

McKenzie

Posts: 310

Fort Myers, Florida, US

Lora wrote:
Well you guys have been shooting with the wrong people.

I agree.  I think photographers should be picky with the models they work with as well as I think models should be picky with the photographers they work with.  Communication is a very important thing!! 

McKenzie

Sep 01 05 08:53 am Link

Model

Kina Dore

Posts: 45

Adelphi, Maryland, US

Vicious Cycle Style wrote:
Hi Kinel,
I'm a mua out of Alexandria, VA. I have to say that you have to take the next step and report that scumbag, and fuck off your manager. If he really cared enough about your carreer he wouldnt get you involved with that project. To be completley honest, the images I saw from the link, are not the best, rather cheesball, and ghetto. If you want to shoot with some really good professional photographers contact me.

Okay I would be interested to know about these photographers you are referring to.....

Sep 01 05 12:36 pm Link

Model

DawnElizabeth

Posts: 3907

Madison, Mississippi, US

Kinel wrote:

Okay I would be interested to know about these photographers you are referring to.....

That comment leads me to believe that you are considering these 'not so professional' gigs because you think that there is no one else out there?

Hon, you may have to pay for a good portfolio that will attract the work you want to get. Contact Vicious, he could have some links to a few photographers who would work with you TFP. BUT, I will remind you, a portfolio is your key to generating interest in an agency, so if you have to shell out a few bucks, do it. Hire a professional MUA, or at least consult with the photographer BEFORE the shoot and talk about what you want and what they can help you with.

Also, you don't need a manager. Especially the one you have. An agent, if they are good, will find work for you, but you still have to meet them halfway. This means having the tools of your trade. A portfolio and compcard that is specific to what you realistically will be able to do in the industry. Some agencies hold open calls where you can go and meet and speak to an agent. He/she may not need your look in their firm, but there is an opportunity to pick their brain. Careful, though, if they want money: run.

Oh, stuff! I lost my train of thought....anyway: Good Luck, I think you're pretty.

Sep 01 05 12:45 pm Link

Photographer

Ralph Haseltine

Posts: 169

Chicago, Illinois, US

ANY a**hole that would try THAT should be SHOT!...it is A**holes LIKE THAT which give all the pro photogs working their asses off a bad name! I KNOW that there ARE those that do that and worse stuff...my suggestion is to CHECK before you shoot with someone...check their portfolio and ASK the models listed there or the MUA's listed and GET A REFERENCE on the photographer...photogs that pull that crap should be SHOT!...just my 2 cents ...but, that pisses me off....sorry, soapbox time...lol...done for now....Ralph Haseltine

Sep 01 05 04:38 pm Link

Model

bebewood

Posts: 156

Los Angeles, California, US

Tommy McI wrote:
Are you shooting with professional photographers or just guys from the block with point and shoot digital cameras?

professional photogs may use their power and connections with stuff in the industry to get what they want. girls are afraid that if they report them, they will get blacklisted from whatever magazines the photographer shoots in

Sep 01 05 09:23 pm Link

Model

bebewood

Posts: 156

Los Angeles, California, US

Josie Nutter wrote:
Always check references... the ones they give you AND the ones they DON'T.

just because a photog behaves well with other models doesnt m ean he is going to behave well with you

Sep 01 05 09:26 pm Link

Model

Bella X

Posts: 104

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Stuff like this happens more than most of us know.

Why don't the victims report it? Easy... fear, embarrassment, the ‘his word against mine’ thing, and as 'bebewood' said... getting blacklisted or bad mouthed to others. Reporting a crime like this can be VERY time consuming as well as emotionally draining/disturbing.

I'm sorry for your ordeal Kinel... I hope things will be different from now on... no model deserves to be treated like that. Just remember you can always say, "You are making me feel extremely uncomfortable..." And walk away.

Sep 01 05 10:26 pm Link

Photographer

Marvin Dockery

Posts: 2243

Alcoa, Tennessee, US

XtremeArtists wrote:
Worst comparison ever.

Doctors go to school for years and study, go into massive debt, pass a series of exams, and have to get a medical license before they can call themselves a "doctor". His job is to help people. Some of them specialize in gynecology after 6 or 8 years of study and internship and make a lot of money after they pay off their debts. Between deciding to be a doctor, and becoming a practicing doctor is a period of several years. There's not much motivation if one is only getting into it for the chicks.

Meanwhile, dude buys a camera, takes a few photos, maybe rents some studio, and calls himself "photographer" after a day to a few weeks. He starts shooting nude chicks, even though it's one of the least profitable forms of photography. He thinks, "wow, only a few weeks ago I was a loser. Now babes are stripping for me."

Now, we all know there are stories of doctors molesting patients after going through all that education, training, and expense. Imagine how many pervs skip all the training and expense of becoming a gynecologist and becoming a photographer instead.

You only know what goes through your own mind when doing nude shoots.  A lot of photographers go to school, and then spend years fine tuning their craft.  They are as professional as any doctor when doing photoshoots.

I did not just buy a camera and start doing nudes, and I did go to school to study photography.

My negative file goes back to 1956, so I am not just starting out with a digital camera. (My 8x10 enlarger cost more than two Nikon D2X's), and I could have bought a third one for the price of the 16 inch  APO Componon S lens.

I just think that there are a lot of photographers that do business, and photoshoots in a business like way, and are not just preverts.

Sep 01 05 10:51 pm Link