XtremeArtists wrote:

That's what the call girl told the lepper...

yuk haha

Joe K. Perez wrote:
If I owned a warehouse of Recreational Vehicles, I'd loan them to the needy and homeless in Louisiana!

Okay Joe... I saw your overwhelmingly emotional willingness to help "everywhere and everybody" many times... now... slooowwly.... put down that vodka bottle... "yes! Joe... it's gonna be okay... put it down... no... NO! no more drinky drinky... you had plenty...

Okay... see, the bottle will not spill... now... step back from the bottle... no... you won't bumping into people...!"

Joe K. Perez wrote:
If I owned a warehouse of Recreational Vehicles, I'd loan them to the needy and homeless in Louisiana!

Joe,

I heard tonight that some large cruise ships might be coming in to help out with lodging, food, and making drinking water.  Those people sure need help.

They found another 20,000 plus people today staying in the convention center.

Marvin Dockery wrote:

Do you think your doctor gets turned on when you are sp###d for an exam? (he or she)

  I am sure a lot of photographers are the same way. Getting turned on is the last thing on my mind when the model is getting more than a dollar per minute, of my money.

Well... I think the difference is that the good ol' doc sees the goods often inflamed, oozing yellowish green stuff, discoloration, strange smells etc...

The glamour and nude photographers see a healthy, shaven, freshly showered woman in the buff with make up in a seductive pose and sexy lingery...

I think that the presentation of the menu has a lot to do how the observer is looking at the goodies... No?

Udo R Photography wrote:
Well... I think the difference is that the good ol' doc sees the goods often inflamed, oozing yellowish green stuff, discoloration, strange smells etc...

The glamour and nude photographers see a healthy, shaven, freshly showered woman in the buff with make up in a seductive pose and sexy lingery...

I think that the presentation of the menu has a lot to do how the observer is looking at the goodies... No?

I agree.

I liked it back when the models did not shave everything, and gas was 50 cents a gallon.

bebewood wrote:
professional photogs may use their power and connections with stuff in the industry to get what they want. girls are afraid that if they report them, they will get blacklisted from whatever magazines the photographer shoots in

Oh please....

Sorry... but could you spend a buck and get a clue!

How many actual professional photographers use their industry connection to get booty? How many, really!

How many GWC's are in the biz to get laid? Many... many... many...

How many GWC's have learned to refine their game by presenting themself as having industry connection to get the tougher girls to lay...

Huh?

Yes, there are certainly pro-shooters who use this artform and craft to get some... but you can't talk in a way that "protects" the GWC's and tell how "bad" the real pros are.

The pro's I know... are working extremely hard, have pride in what they do and don't have often the friggin' time to play such stupid games just to get laid.

I think the "pros" that you've met and base your judgement on are exactly the GWC's with "game".

Sorry dear... your statement shows that you didn't meet the real ones.

Oh... and as it happens... when you are fulltime in this biz... you most likely end up in relationships with the other sex (or same) in the same industry (model/photographer) as it happens in every other workplace... even in the armed forces, where such relationships are not allowed yet do happen.

But... that is something different and relationships have nothing to do with your described situation.

Marvin Dockery wrote:
Joe,

I heard tonight that some large cruise ships might be coming in to help out with lodging, food, and making drinking water.  Those people sure need help.

They found another 20,000 plus people today staying in the convention center.

Joe bought Carnival Cruise lines...

Seriously, the people were ordered to go there 3 days ago and have been waiting in lines for the busses.

Lapis wrote:
KILL THREAD NOW! I cannot even handle seeing the title on the forum page. EUEWwwwwwwwwww

... and yet... it seems that you can't stay away and have to check if something else "euewwwwww-worthy" is posted... huh?

Lapis wrote:
...and tell your atavar to stop taking pictures of me.

LMAO!!!... That sends me laughing to bed...

Nite Lapis... LOL

Udo R Photography wrote:

Oh please....

Sorry... but could you spend a buck and get a clue!

How many actual professional photographers use their industry connection to get booty? How many, really!

How many GWC's are in the biz to get laid? Many... many... many...

How many GWC's have learned to refine their game by presenting themself as having industry connection to get the tougher girls to lay...

Huh?

Yes, there are certainly pro-shooters who use this artform and craft to get some... but you can't talk in a way that "protects" the GWC's and tell how "bad" the real pros are.

The pro's I know... are working extremely hard, have pride in what they do and don't have often the friggin' time to play such stupid games just to get laid.

I think the "pros" that you've met and base your judgement on are exactly the GWC's with "game".

Sorry dear... your statement shows that you didn't meet the real ones.

Oh... and as it happens... when you are fulltime in this biz... you most likely end up in relationships with the other sex (or same) in the same industry (model/photographer) as it happens in every other workplace... even in the armed forces, where such relationships are not allowed yet do happen.

But... that is something different and relationships have nothing to do with your described situation.

im not saying theyre all like that im just saying that just because one photog is one of the best doesnt mean hes not capable of sexual harrassment or rape.  and i know a lot of people use their job to try to impress people and get laid, don't be naive.

bebewood wrote:

just because a photog behaves well with other models doesnt m ean he is going to behave well with you

That is precisely what I have been trying to say...I agree 100 percent

Udo R Photography wrote:

LMAO!!!... That sends me laughing to bed...

Nite Lapis... LOL

He has a point.. now that i really look at it I do get the feeling you're trying to take my picture... i better put some clothes on then.  It is creepy....stop looking at me!!!!

Kinel wrote:
Okay the asterisks represent the letter s...but I didn't want to be too blunt with it..I am just wondering it ...I ended up having a discussion with 10 other models at once (not over the phone in person) and they were all wondering the same thing...It seems in our experiences photogs have gotten a little "too" into the photo shoot..I have heard ever thing to photogs claiming they will not give the photos to the model unless she has sex with them before she leaves...photogs that get hard..or just plain photogs that when you get there all they talk about is sex... I have had ONE really BAD BAD BAD experience with a photog that I think I might report but on the other hand I have had one really professional photog that didnt try anything with me.....but it seems most i have shot with ask me to have sex with them in mid shoot and if I say no then they lose all interest in the shoot and the pics come out like the ones you see in my port...I believe I am beautiful geesh would any of you photogs out there shoot me for TFP/TFCD (the real acronym)  hypothetically and realistically..tell me what you think....But on the real I do not bad mouth photogs just had bad experiences I think it beautiful what photogs do...models as well and when you put two amazing ppl together you create pics that make people go wow...geez i love photogs (for the most part) and models (for the most part) damn i just love this industry...hehehe (4 the most part)

It's one thing to get turned on in a photoshoot, but to insist the model have sex with you is not professional and is very disrespectful. This is the reason model releases and escorts to shoots exist, to prevent things like that happening.

I have seen romances develop between people but even then. Work should be work. I have met some wonderful models and made some wonderful friends. I love creating awesome images, but it is crazy to hear about some things that happen. some people I think get desperate or need hormone therapy if they can't behave themselves.

Lapis wrote:
I am baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. I just had to hit the reply button and bring this one back....

Someone, somewhere is readying a paddle at this very moment...

Kinel wrote:
Thank you Lora...see that is why victims of anything never say anything because people react that way..all mean and wanting to lynch the girl geez...i know now what not to do..and just to get some attention? is this attention...who knew but thank you for making me feel like I have done something wrong ..and i never said the photog was a bad person i simply said in my experience...he is actually very nice despite what occured he never cursed at me or did anything of the sort he was friendly

Kinel, I'm about to send you a private message. 

I just posted a message in another thread the other day about how victims often don't speak up because of attitudes like this from other people who don't take them seriously.  The perverts are counting on people to not believe your story, because it allows them to get away with it and continue doing it.  Even if you didn't mention the photographer's name, that doesn't mean you were making it up (despite what a previous poster on here said).  I had posted a warning on my OMP page about a Virginia photographer (pervert), and I was told that I shouldn't come out and say his name because it could be a lawsuit for slander/deformation of character or some s**t like that.  So I played it safe and removed the name and just referred to him as a "Hampton Roads, Virginia photographer."  Well he KNEW I was talking about him, so in a desperate attempt to save his rep, he started bad-mouthing me to people...making it sound like I'm the one who was begging him to shoot and yada, yada, yada (yet I saved all his e-mails where he's begging me to come out there and shoot).  At first I was starting to think the photographer you were referring to is the same guy I'm talking about, but it's not.

TG Photography wrote:
i wish u all the best in ur search for professional photographers and watch out for the trash... peace TG

Thanks, TG.    There are some scumbags out there, but we just gotta pick up on the "red flags" and the "gut feelings."

Tikeya wrote:

Thanks, TG.    There are some scumbags out there, but we just gotta pick up on the "red flags" and the "gut feelings."

ur welcome .. i try to advice many of the new models i work wit to spot out the trash and get their rates on their ports and be selective wit TPCD/TFP so that the trash cant use them for tpcd and try anything on them.. i had a model that called me one time crying cus a photographer told her after the shoot he'd like to  take off her pants and do things to her ass that she will enjoy (he told her this on MSN) and i was shocked ... trash like that doesnt belong in this field ..

Dark Matter Zone wrote:

Here's an interesting OMP page! I don't know it it is related to this discussion or not!

First of all I am going to vouche for this photographer because I have worked with him and Also another friend of mine and he has never approached both of us about sex...he was the second photographer I worked with professionally, he was very humble, had a lot fo wardrobe and was able to help me take or learn how to take great images...in my port he took the pick of me with the name JASON on my back and two other photos....SO I really hope that he isnt the photographer your talking about because he is married and his wife is extremely nice

Dark Matter Zone wrote:
This is illegal. You should go to the Police.

If the shoot was on the photographers property, say his studio or home when this was done, it is not. This has already been in court many times. One included a photographer who also owned a video store. He was doing an actual real shoot of some underage girls for their portfolios.He did some shots in his video store as well and gave them a small section of the video store which was an enclosed room with some videos in it. It also had a camera on the wall at an angle where everything in the room could be seen.
He as well as many store owners with security cameras keep them on 24/7 and often  don`t think about them being there because they are around them every day.
The girls noticed the camera, didnt know stores used cameras for security, freaked out, sicked mommy and daddy on them immediately, and they acted as though he was specifically setting out to record them.when in fact he had cameras in every part of the store for security.
Mom and dad called the cops, cops came and sure enough the girls were recorded during changing.
Mom and dad lost, it is not illegal for a property owner to use see through mirrors, security cameras and such as they please at any time. It was proven the cameras were kept on 24/7 for security, not videotaping little girls changing.

Kinel wrote:
...but it seems most i have shot with ask me to have sex with them in mid shoot and if I say no then they lose all interest in the shoot and the pics come out like the ones you see in my port...

I think you need a photographer upgrade ... or a better screening process ...

Kinel wrote:
but how do i go to the police wouldn't I have to get the "manager" to say his part I asked him should i report it he said do what i feel like i need to do but he is still doing work with him for the MD team ..I am feeling pressure not to tell anything especially because my "manager" is the one who knows for sure

If you are STILL retaining this guy as your manager, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Seriously, this pisses me off to NO END.  If you choose to work with scum, they will introduce you to more scum!  You should be running for the hills from all of these people...but instead you choose to whine and continue engaging in the same behavior repeatedly, wondering why things don't change.

Having looked at your profile, you also need to do a lot of work to appear more professional yourself (sorry, but you have to expect some criticism of yourself, rather than just criticism of "the other guy").  If you stopped referring to yourself as "cuteninnocent",, began using your profile for NETWORKING (rather than looking for "friends"...read between the lines, as if you were some random horny guy, and then DO THE MATH), you'd avoid many of these problems.  You need to look at this as a BUSINESS, even it if it IS just a hobby for you. 

Until you do your part to be mature and responsible, you will continue this cycle.  You should not be asking for help from others when you are incapable of defending yourself (with your so-called manager).  I'll bet your "manager" doesn't have a license either, right?

I'd wish you luck; but lack of it has painfully little to do with your situation.

In short: no amount of advice can repair poor common sense.

Lapis wrote:
I am baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. I just had to hit the reply button and bring this one back....

Lapis...you are so wrong. You just had to bring this back didn't you?
Ah well. I'll sit back and see how far this goes.

"evil grin"

Kinel wrote:
Well i have talked to alot of photographers and it seems most think it is normal to get turned on (not saying its a bad thing) but they basically ay it's what you do after you are "turned on" that makes you unprofessional or not

You know, maybe my opinion doesn't count since I am so new and not "truely Extraordinary"  But two things;

1.  I have read and I agree that modeling/photography is about sexy, NOT SEX.  If someone asked you for sex, they clearly weren't worried about the pictures(like they should have been)  Either they think they are so great that they don't have to think about it, or they just don't care and are in it to just be around women.

2. Even if I ever did get turned on, I certainly wouln't tell anyone about it, and I would try to snuff out that feeling right away, because I wouldn't be able to consentrate. And it would embarass me.  I would probably chide myself for not being professional.  I haven't had this happen yet, and I hope I never get turned on when working with someone.

Oh and I don't think it is bad that you mentioned it,  Other models should know about  it.  Trouble is, if you don't have proof, it is a tricky situation. 

If you can talk to other models that had this same situation, then you can all agree to get together and out this person.  I wouldn't put yourself on the line, because people are just going to bash you as you can tell from this tread.  If a bunch of you have had the same experience then you have a LITTLE bit of proof.

I did read your thread and although it is UNPROFESSIONAL, unless he tried to force you into having sex, or promise you some sort of monitary gain, I don't think it is illigal, only galling and tasteless.

I don't want people like this around because it just makes it hard for me, the beginner to get people to trust me and to get new models.

Just my little two cents

Mark

CristinaLex wrote:

First of all I am going to vouche for this photographer because I have worked with him and Also another friend of mine and he has never approached both of us about sex...he was the second photographer I worked with professionally, he was very humble, had a lot fo wardrobe and was able to help me take or learn how to take great images...in my port he took the pick of me with the name JASON on my back and two other photos....SO I really hope that he isnt the photographer your talking about because he is married and his wife is extremely nice

that's cool that you did that. In all fairness we should hear the good and the bad...if any.