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Does TFP really stand 4 Time For Pu**y???
You also have to wonder sometimes why a published professional photgrapher would be eager to shoot net models for free... Some people in the industry have told me that it is pretty much understood what goes on, but not spoken of very much. Usually makeup artists can give you a good idea of who shoots the last set in the bedroom with the door locked. Aug 28 05 10:26 am Link peek a boo Aug 28 05 10:27 am Link XtremeArtists wrote: people SHOULD talk about it! Aug 28 05 10:32 am Link Also if you had a really bad bad experience you should report it. I'm new here at MM but I'm 100 % legit and the morons give legit photographers a bad name and make it harder for us to try to do business Aug 28 05 10:41 am Link Belair wrote: Why did you open the thread? Aug 28 05 10:47 am Link Nude or sexually oriented shots should not even be an issue on a tfp shoot. Nude shoots are paid assignments Aug 28 05 10:51 am Link Mirage Studios wrote: Ok, not EVERY model gets paid for every nude shoot. Take me. Aug 28 05 10:52 am Link OK you do nudes tfp I'm not saying its out of the question but I'm sure you only do it with people you trust Aug 28 05 10:58 am Link Mirage Studios wrote: Yes, but she did say before that she thought she could trust him because of her manager and the guy's portfolio. She's not claiming to have gone about it in the right way (as far as checking references). But even if she did, by what happened, how was anyone else to know? She could have done all of her homework and this still would have happened. Aug 28 05 11:01 am Link ""No, it would only tire me out, disappoint you AND cut into our shooting time."" That has got to be the best line I have heard! Aug 28 05 11:07 am Link You're absolutely right I'm just trying to say do as much research as possible sites like this one she can even post on one of the discussion platforms and post a general message I'm shooting with so and so he's a new contact to me does anyone have some background info on him Just be careful is my point I worked 10 years as a bouncer in go gop bars and you would not believe how many idiots make up cards claiming to be pro photographer to get a girl out of her clothes it's pitifull Aug 28 05 11:10 am Link Mirage Studios wrote: And what if half of them were legit offers??? Aug 28 05 11:42 am Link Hi Kinel, Come out to Illinois and I'll shoot you TFP/CD and I won't ask you for sex. Sarah E. Cayson Aug 28 05 11:47 am Link Honestly. Even when I've shot with my boyfriend, who's taken the majority of my photos; we've never had sex afterwards or in the middle of shooting. I think it's mainly because we're both tired as hell after shooting. We eat, watch a movie, take a nap--go to work. Shit like that. SOOOOooooooo..I think there's something "not right"0 with these people. Aug 28 05 01:04 pm Link Some of these stories sound a lillte outlandish, but I'll assume for a moment that they're completely accurate, not exaggerated and not subject to different interpretations. (not necessarily your story, but many that seem to surface here) Advice: The more you act like a professional, the less people are likely to act unprofessionally toward you, and the easier it is to walk out if things are shady. Act like you would act at any other job. Sex with models is not out of the question, but sex, dating, friendship, whatever is something that can be discussed when the work is done. Work is work, play is paly, and there's a time for both. And sex should never be part of the bargain, expressed or implied. Common sense- If it looks like a fish and smells like a fish, then it probably swims like a fish. Sounds like you need to work on your instincts or your street smarts. I don't care what his list of credits or models is (they can easily be faked by the way), if it looks sleazy or shady you should be ready to walk or you should bail before you start. Open your eyes and look around the changing area. On the other hand, if you've ever been to a fashion show, you know the models get changed with 50 to 100 people around, and this is just part of life. Doesn't sound like the case with what you described (which is damn shady, but probably NOT illegal), but you should be aware that the industry you're in doesn't have a big place for modesty. I've said it before and I'll say it again- no one should pressure in to doing something you don't want to do, and if they do, you should split. And your manager should back you up. Fire your manager. No more needs to be said about that. Yes, it sounds like a bunch of male fantasies gone wild, but I've had models get pretty physical and flirty with me during shoots. I never act on it. A model would have to grab me and say "enough shooting, let's F. . ." or something equally ridiculous before I would cross that line. Anybody asking for sex is at LEAST inappropriate. On the othe hand, there's a fuzzy line between "that's sexy, work it girl" or whatever and inappropriate. Funny though, my shoots are very laid back, often just me and a model, often partially or fully nude, and i don't seem to have any of these problems. Maybe the market here in NY is so saturated with decent or better photographers that the ones who try this kind of crap find themselves out of work or without models. I've had people come from as far as MD to shoot tfp because they couldn't find anyone locally. Last and best bit of advice (besides use common sense) is BEWAE OF HYPE. The more hype the more full of shit the person giving you the hype is. I'm so great, this proect is so great, this will be grate for your career, this is a great oppertunity to promote yourself, network, be discovered or meet the right people. . . All of these usually mean the job doesn't pay and it's going to be ameteur hour or open mic night (I get these offers about once a week). These offers are so good in the eyes of the offeror, that you should be willing to drop your pants for them right then and there for even considering you. In reality, these are usually big time wasters, smooth talkers, and sleazy people. Aug 28 05 01:30 pm Link BlacklistVisual wrote: This is me also. I'm too busy trying to get a good shoot........ the last thing on my mind is sex. Aug 28 05 01:38 pm Link Unfortunately, with the creation of the digital camera, and general ease of use with most camera's these days, pretty much anyone can pick up a photo magazine, order a camera and some lights from the back, and Wala! they are now a "photographer". I hold that of all the "photographers" out there, at least 60% are doing it because it legitimizes some fantasy of either a) being in a position to have young women (90% of models--I wonder why?) do what they want them to (usually within some sort of reason) and/or b) because they want to have the ability to get a woman undressed (supposedly legitimately) and then photograph her in typically sexual poses. It's becoming a fad that does give most honest photogs a bad rap. I shoot one on one with models in the nude all the time--and some times my wife (who is also an artist) assists me. All my work over the years is/has been in trade for gallery prints. And I do not work because of the means (the shoot), but for the end product. So be careful who you chose to work with. You usually can get a good idea of a person by talking with them over coffee. Ask them questions. If someone expresses or hints at sexual ideas, that is what the work will be. ~Joel Aug 28 05 02:21 pm Link Kinel wrote: I guess I'm concerned when the bad experiences are repeated occurrences, which seems to be the case here. No model deserves the type of treatment that you've received at the hands of the unscrupulous photographers that you mention in your post. At the same time, however, one has to wonder...if the same end result repeatedly occurs, it may be worthwhile to consider another method for arranging for TFPs. When something just isn't working, it's helpful to take the time to consider what's contributing to it not working. ..work with more professional photographers. Start off by getting references, meeting up for coffee first if possible to get a vibe, etc... I agree with this earlier post. That's definitely a start... Aug 28 05 03:59 pm Link Well finding a good photographer I think also depends on one's area, where they are located..I know it says maryland but I am basically at the DC border, That is like a 2 minute walk away from me..meaning photographers in the DC area and when it comes to black models it's a little scary..I am an extremely cordial person and when I am being professional I am being professional..what people also need to realize is that people react to everyone in a different way..maybe that was just the way that photog reacted to me..now as far as changin in fashion shows goes..no problem i dont care..i could take my clothes off right now and change meaning im not scared to change in front of others and especially fashion shows EVERYONE is changing and i doubt people even have time to be looking at you or care..just the simple fact that he looked at me while i thought i was in privacy..and the fact i didnt even know about it until a week or two after the shoot...The point is people's reactions to people saying things about bad experiences is usually like shut up whatever it didnt happen blah blah and thats why people never say anything at all...for instance if you have ever seen specials on rapes its even said 1 in every 2 women will get raped in their lifetime but what percentage of those tell anyone..hardly any and why? bcause people make them feel like crap for saying anything...now I wasnt even trying to say lets all lynch the photog just saying me personally had a bad expereince with him..I just wanted to see if it was possible for me to get a photog on here that would do tfp and not ask for sex....and th eguy was in the process of becoming my manager after he told me that i told him i couldn't do it because of that and he said he undestoof and he apoligized for not doing anything at the shoot Aug 28 05 04:31 pm Link It's too bad you had such a crappy experience Kinel. If there were any justice in this world, all the perverted photographers would only setup shoots with all the models that never show up or flake out. Then they would cancel each other out.  Aug 28 05 06:38 pm Link Your shooting with trash. Aug 28 05 06:43 pm Link richardandre wrote: Thank you! Aug 29 05 05:48 am Link first off your working with all the wrong photographers. second. this is why you bring someone with you. you should always have someone with you and so should the photographer. ask for refs. from other models. its basic stuff. Aug 29 05 10:21 am Link Kinel wrote: I remember when I first started out, I used to include in my portfolio description on OMP that any model that works with me and trust me to not push them into take their clothes off or go on dates with me. All I was interested in was taking pictures of them however THEY wanted them to be. Essentially, it was THEIR shoot and I am working for THEM. Aug 29 05 10:51 am Link BlacklistVisual wrote: I have never been able to get a girlfriend to pose for me...maybe she's worried I'd hit on her Aug 29 05 10:52 am Link Michelle Adrienne wrote: Speaking of that, I get asked all the time by co-workers, "How do you do it? I'd be all worked up and not be able to shoot!" Aug 29 05 11:16 am Link ok see this bugs me. Nobody ever wants to give me a chance because Iâm a young photographer. They think that itâs my "line" and Iâm just trying to get at them and see them naked. If I want ass im out in the club. If anything Iâd be more worried about some old guy wantinâ to take nude pics. Theyâre the ones to worry about because they canât go out and get it anymore. so instead they try and have it come to them. My advice is keep checking them out the way you have been, but also bring along an escort to the shoot. Hell it can even be your boyfriend just as long as they donât get in the way. I wont lie, Iâve gotten a hard-on every now and then but if im not getting excited about my work then how can I expect my audience to react? But at the same time Iâve never let that head start doin the thinking for me. Remember you also get what you pay for? If you have to pay us then for those few hours we are basically your employee. And weâre focusing on angles, points of view, backgrounds, the entire composition, not just how hot your tits look. Now with tfp it is the photographer who is coming out of pocket. Does that mean we can expect more? Fuk no! if a photographer is doing a tfp it should be a personal project where he is testing out his new ideas, not just beinâ "nice" to a model. Im doing tfpâs right now but its all for me and im not guaranteeing results. I also let the model know this up front so they canât be dissapointed if I lose an entire roll. Oh well I wish you better luck in the future. Remember, give young talent a shot! Weâre all about what we say weâre about! Aug 29 05 11:48 am Link Zach Watkins wrote: Well good luck getting someone to pose nude now. Aug 29 05 11:51 am Link Mirage Studios wrote: So, if the model is paid it is okay for the photographer to try and rape the model? Aug 29 05 12:00 pm Link Aug 29 05 12:12 pm Link Kinel, I am sorry for your experiences. I have never been in the DC area so don't know that much about the environment you deal with. Still...there HAS to be a few good ones around there. Be patient and be careful while looking! Aug 29 05 12:17 pm Link Stop accepting TFP's form GWC's. OK? I'll bet you 5 dimes to another that if you start asking for references, published work and portfolios you'll be able to stop avoiding boners and start modeling. Aug 29 05 12:23 pm Link Lora wrote: yeh just take part of what i say and out of context, it looks bad. thanks! you rock! Aug 29 05 12:41 pm Link Well maybe that was something you should have kept to yourself and not shared.... that will turn a lot of models away, trust me. Aug 29 05 12:43 pm Link Zach Watkins wrote: Man... Zach... I looked at your portfolio... it's okay... nothing wrong with that... but... what the heck is going on with your funny scripts, like "..:\:\/: /:.. O_o" and so forth. Aug 29 05 12:48 pm Link Oh shoot! Wrong forum! Aug 29 05 12:51 pm Link thanks for your tip. i'll keep that in mind Aug 29 05 12:51 pm Link thanks for your tip. i'll keep that in mind Aug 29 05 12:51 pm Link Zach Watkins wrote: That's what the call girl told the lepper... Aug 29 05 01:02 pm Link XtremeArtists wrote: LMAO... nasty... but funny! Aug 29 05 01:06 pm Link |
