EMG STUDIOS wrote:
WTF is wrong with some of these white llamas?? You dumb asses.. I experienced just a small wiff of this type of prejudice over the weekend.. Anyone else care to share their thoughts???

We are not all that way , some of us even have soul

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
WTF is wrong with some of these white llamas?? You dumb asses.. I experienced just a small wiff of this type of prejudice over the weekend.. Anyone else care to share their thoughts???

Are you freakin kidding me? A llama actually refused a shot because you are black?

Frog516 wrote:
Are you freakin kidding me? A llama actually refused a shot because you are black?

FROG.. this shit is in-fucking-sane!!!!

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
WTF is wrong with some of these white llamas?? You dumb asses.. I experienced just a small wiff of this type of prejudice over the weekend.. Anyone else care to share their thoughts???

actually, they have a right to be a stupid as they want..
in dec 1962 my dad took us to florida for a vacation, we saw drinking fountains that were marked 'colored' and 'white', i never thought things would be as good as they are today this soon..

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
WTF is wrong with some of these white llamas?? You dumb asses.. I experienced just a small wiff of this type of prejudice over the weekend.. Anyone else care to share their thoughts???

yeap, but I'm not going to repeat it anymore. It's not worth it, but you're not alone.

CareLyn Anita wrote:

We are not all that way , some of us even have soul

Is that James Brown's daughter?

Legacys 7 wrote:

yeap, but I'm not going to repeat it anymore. It's not worth it, but you're not alone.

Exactly, i think it's happened to almost all of us at least once.

Frog516 wrote:
Are you freakin kidding me? A llama actually refused a shot because you are black?

Surprised? Happen to me twice on here. And one MM photographer sometime back, had a MM llama who spoke with a MM llama on the phone for a month about their project. He primarily shoots nude, she put down a creditcard deposit via phone. When it was finally time to shoot, she goes over to his house and replies...Oh my god! I didn't know that you are black....And she took off. Talk about some funny stuff. And yet, sad. Her lost and lost of money.

Frog516 wrote:
Are you freakin kidding me? A llama actually refused a shot because you are black?

I've had this happen to me about 3 times over the last 6 years. Its very annoying, to say the least. lol. But I know not all people are stupid, simple minded, racists, so I just let it wash off me.

lotusphoto wrote:
actually, they have a right to be a stupid as they want..
in dec 1962 my dad took us to florida for a vacation, we saw drinking fountains that were marked 'colored' and 'white', i never thought things would be as good as they are today this soon..

Stop making excuses for people, by bringing in the past because it's irrelevant, no matter how much has changed, somethings still remain. That statement is just as bad as the llama's action

Ransom J wrote:
Exactly, i think it's happened to almost all of us at least once.

yeah. twice to me on here. I was more pissed off at the fact that the llama and I had talked and met days in advanced, I drove my ass all the way down to her area. 1 hour from mne, meet her and even showed her my contract, discuss a little about myself and my vision. All of a sudden, she got weird on me after hour intial meeting. That shoot day, we talk, she's on her way. Well...you know the rest..I  was already expecting it and wasn't surprised that it happen because she had already gave me advance warning. I was more pissed off that I had got up 5 a.m. went down to the location only to have her do this. Damn, I said that I wasn't going to talk about it. Oh well.

Axlf wrote:
Yea a story like that here well look at the news more african americans get into trouble than whites and that's according to the news so they are just afraid they do that to mexican photographers as well it's sad really.

AXLF.. what the FUCK are you talking about?? I personally think crime, when committed by people of color, any color; other than white, is commited, it is sometimes blown out of perspective, but I'm kind of okay with that, maybe because I've been trained to expect nothing more from the media..

Legacys 7 wrote:
Stop making excuses for people, by bringing in the past because it's irrelevant, no matter how much has changed, somethings still remain. That statement is just as bad as the llama's action

the civil rights movement is one of the most amazing events in history, maybe the best, it turned around 10's of thousands of years of oppression, there has been slavery forever, and in every culture.. looking at the movement in it's historical context is important..


there are still major problems to be worked on, but if your neck of the woods is repressed llamas, then you are doing okay...

Axlf wrote:
Yea a story like that here well look at the news more african americans get into trouble than whites and that's according to the news so they are just afraid they do that to mexican photographers as well it's sad really.

Well if they are basing it off of statistics then they should be scared of white photographers more because  statistically white middle age men are the most likely to be serial killers.

But we all know how ridiculus THAT argument is....

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
I'm curious how you could positively attribute that it was because of your race? I'm skeptical that a llama would state outright that she didn't want to shoot with you because you were black. And I can't imagine a situation where she would show up, determine you were black, and cancel the shoot on the spot. I had a shoot scheduled with a black female llama and she was a no-show. It never occurred to me that it was because I was white.

And since we've all had llamas cancel for ludicrous reasons (or none at all), I'm definitely curious how you could tell? Or perhaps I'm just that naive.

Michael.. wake up and smell the coffee... it's not that hard to slip up, OR just outright say shit that you really feel without thinking about the consequences that may follow.. KRAMER is a prime example of this..

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
It's just strange because I wouldn't even consider myself to be the "ipitamy" of an "intimidating" black man.. lol.. the shit is really out of control..  but, in Philadelphia some of who I consider to be the better photographers are black, and not because I hang with a "black" crowd.. I see and admire the work first, then later on find out the race of the photographer, which is totally irrelevant...

Funny. Speaking of irrelevant, many llamas who never see your face will jump all over your port aka jock it, want to shoot but never have a clue that you are black. Trust me, some will let you know that they are surprised that you are. You'll know by their actions.

Axlf wrote:
Yea a story like that here well look at the news more african americans get into trouble than whites and that's according to the news so they are just afraid they do that to mexican photographers as well it's sad really.

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
AXLF.. what the FUCK are you talking about?? I personally think crime, when committed by people of color, any color; other than white, is commited, it is sometimes blown out of perspective, but I'm kind of okay with that, maybe because I've been trained to expect nothing more from the media..

if you look at the news, that's what you see, ie:dwb, driving while black, 30% of all black men in the usa are in the system, probation or in-house, is it wrong? of course it's wrong, does it create an impression? yes

Legacys 7 wrote:
Is that James Brown's daughter?

yup...... get on the scene... wi the sex machine....

and i got a little funk too...

whoever that llama was shes obviously pretty ignorant and it will bite her alibaster a$$ in the long run.... ignorance always catches up with it's owner ....

lotusphoto wrote:
the civil rights movement is one of the most amazing events in history, maybe the best, it turned around 10's of thousands of years of oppression, there has been slavery forever, and in every culture.. looking at the movement in it's historical context is important..


there are still major problems to be worked on, but if your neck of the woods is repressed llamas, then you are doing okay...

some food for thought here. I told a female photographer on here this one too. When you cleanup yoiur house and get rid of trash, you don't sweep it up under the rug, you complete the job by taking the trash out to the garbage.


Some people like to sweep trash up under the rug, because they are lazy and don't want to be bothered with the reality that the trash is there and it has to be taken care of. What do they do? The bury it under the rug, pretending that it's gone, knowing full well that it's still there and just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Eventually you have to clean house. Ignoring it just makes your house worst.



Doing ok in my neck of the woods is like me being healthy on one part of my body but  one of my hands is bleeding to death. Do I ingnore that part of my body just because the rest of me is ok?

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
I'm curious how you could positively attribute that it was because of your race? I'm skeptical that a llama would state outright that she didn't want to shoot with you because you were black. And I can't imagine a situation where she would show up, determine you were black, and cancel the shoot on the spot. I had a shoot scheduled with a black female llama and she was a no-show. It never occurred to me that it was because I was white.

And since we've all had llamas cancel for ludicrous reasons (or none at all), I'm definitely curious how you could tell? Or perhaps I'm just that naive.

Dude.....People talk. Secrets leak. It's the way of the world.  In my case, she told a friend of hers that she couldn't shoot with a black guy. It got back to me.  And then she lied and told me her grandma died so she had to cancel the shoot.    Bottom line = She doesn't shoot with black guys.

lotusphoto wrote:

Axlf wrote:
Yea a story like that here well look at the news more african americans get into trouble than whites and that's according to the news so they are just afraid they do that to mexican photographers as well it's sad really.

if you look at the news, that's what you see, ie:dwb, driving while black, 30% of all black men in the usa are in the system, probation or in-house, is it wrong? of course it's wrong, does it create an impression? yes

Realitcally, those fears have been around way before the modern day media..You'd better go with the past media here in this country. Jim Crow.

CareLyn Anita wrote:
yup...... get on the scene... wi the sex machine....

and i got a little funk too...

whoever that llama was shes obviously pretty ignorant and it will bite her alibaster a$$ in the long run.... ignorance always catches up with it's owner ....

ditto. and the james brown demo that u gave was funny.

Legacys 7 wrote:
Doing ok in my neck of the woods is like me being healthy on one part of my body but  one of my hands is bleeding to death. Do I ingnore that part of my body just because the rest of me is ok?

i'm saying ignore the pimple if you have a broken leg..


you live in oakland, there are major problems in oakland, wtf are you arguing with me? i'm not a problem, a repressed llama is not a problem.. go start a photography club in a local high school.. dont bitch at me..