Mos Photography wrote:
Boy, people dont read. I have already stated that if I see a model that I WANT TO USE FOR MY PORTFOLIO and she is not accepting TFP. I have no problem paying her.

What if you saw a model that you wanted to use for your portfolio and she was not accepting TFP. Would you have a problem paying her?

Mos Photography wrote:

Now I agree with you.

Wait...nobody ever agrees with me

Shawn Ray wrote:
This is the only site of it's kind.  A site where a non-experienced model can put together a port that there Mom shot and want to charge for their services.

This is very true. and it goes both ways. Because a non-experienced photographer can put together a port they shot out of their ass and want to charge for their services.

Jessalyn_54 wrote:

And some people can't spell.

Might want to spell check your profile. Doesn't look very professional when you mispell words.

Oh so you did read my profile or you didnt??????????????????????????

Shawn Ray wrote:
Did someone say CALAMARI????

Hey Shawn - Love your port - want to do a TFC shoot?  Trade for Calamari.

Mos Photography wrote:
Oh so you did read my profile or you didnt??????????????????????????

Right after I made the post about how I hadn't read your profile, I went and read it. Is there something so questionable as that to warrant 1,204 question marks?

Jessalyn_54 wrote:

This is very true. and it goes both ways. Because a non-experienced photographer can put together a port they shot out of their ass and want to charge for their services.

VERY TRUE!!!  To be honest, there is no end to this thread.  We all want to make money, and we all want something for free.  It's those moments where we meet in the middle that something great can happen.   OMG that was cheesy!!!!  I don't think that even makes sense!!!!!  I am so full of SH*T!!!!

luciano  Mello wrote:
See you just need be innovative
I have new ways to do TFP is just a Trade...

TFF- Time for food
TFR- Time for Rent
TFG- Time for groceries
TFEGCB- Time for Eletric Gas Cable bills
TFB- Time for Beer Also stands for Time for Booty
TFHC- Time for Hair cut
TFFMC- Time for fix my car
TFMWHE- Time for Massage with Happy end
TFFAW- Time far from Angry wife
TFBMWFNPDC -Time for Big mac with fries no Pickles and diet coke.

See all you have to do is take the normal TFP to the world out there.

LOL, LOL , LOL!!!!!

lotusphoto wrote:

What if you saw a model that you wanted to use for your portfolio and she was not accepting TFP. Would you have a problem paying her?

Ok, that was funny. I wish this board had smillies...lol

lotusphoto wrote:
calimari

I stand corrected, thanks Lotus.

Mos Photography wrote:

Ok, that was funny. I wish this board had smillies...lol

I don't understand what was funny about that question....it's something that happens all the time and he's asking how you would act.

Seth wrote:

Hey Shawn - Love your port - want to do a TFC shoot?  Trade for Calamari.

Spitting milk out of my nose!!!!!  LOL!  If I still lived in Cali... absolutely!   Great port as well!  Thanks.

Mos Photography wrote:
Jessalyn, im guessing all of your shoots are TFP. Is that why you are so offended?

OOOOOHHH!!!  In your face!!!   Just kidding.  Is anyone having as much fun as I am?

Mos Photography wrote:
Jessalyn, im guessing all of your shoots are TFP. Is that why you are so offended?

Nope. I've done TFP, I've paid for photos, and I've been paid for photos.

EDIT: I just wanted to add a big ol' BOO-YAH.

Jessalyn_54 wrote:

I don't understand what was funny about that question....it's something that happens all the time and he's asking how you would act.

WOW...


I have said a million times I have NO PROBLEM PAYING A MODEL. I have done it before and would do it again with no problem. I believe he was joking when he asked me that. Thats why I laughed.

Jessalyn_54 wrote:

and some photographers don't realize that there are model expenses that go into TFP also (gotta get my roots done, get the nails done, possibly buy a brand new outfit).

just sayin. goes both ways.

but you would probably have your roots done anyways... cause who is walking around looking all frumpy calling themselves a model anyways! (i am totally kidding I know there are model expenses but most of those things you would have done regardless of the shoot- I, on the other hand, would not spend the money on film, chemical, paper etc just to make myself happy)

mcStudio wrote:
Jessalyn is hot when she is arguing...

opps thinking out loud again... get out of my head!! Arggg!

Because I'm damn good at it and my avatar makes me look really serious.

ERM Photography wrote:

but you would probably have your roots done anyways... cause who is walking around looking all frumpy calling themselves a model anyways! (i am totally kidding I know there are model expenses but most of those things you would have done regardless of the shoot- I, on the other hand, would not spend the money on film, chemical, paper etc just to make myself happy)

you're right but I would have waited longer to do them

My point was that both sides have expenses. Not just one. Everything goes both ways. The biggest expense is getting clothes. And those aren't tax deductible.

ERM Photography wrote:
but you would probably have your roots done anyways... cause who is walking around looking all frumpy calling themselves a model anyways! (i am totally kidding I know there are model expenses but most of those things you would have done regardless of the shoot- I, on the other hand, would not spend the money on film, chemical, paper etc just to make myself happy)

Thank you! Photographers come out of WAY more money than the models. When I was accepting TFP, I had a stylist and makeup artist working for me. So I had to pay them out of my own money because I knew what kind of looks I wanted. 9/10 a real model will have clothes to wear and her roots done. If not, he/she needs to invest in that before they give themselves the model title.

Jessalyn_54 wrote:

Because I'm damn good at it and my avatar makes me look really serious.

No... it makes you look like Kirsten Dunst.

Mos Photography wrote:
You all are not understanding what I am saying. If its an AGREEMENT between the two, then FINE! No problem there. But if the photographer......nevermind. No need to explain any longer.

I am not a photographer, but I definitely understand where you're coming from. Some models, or anybody in general just need to learn to respect someone's choice. If I politely asked you if you're willing to do a TFP with me & you respond; "Sorry, I no longer accept TFP...etc" I would totally understand & respond with "That's ok, I understand." or "What are your rates?" or better yet, say "If you need a model & start considering TFP shoots, please dont hesitate to contact me". No attitude necessary!!!

Well, I guess that's just me. I would say this though, I think the reason why some models respond with such attitude is because they hate getting turned down & it's a kick to their huge ego when someone says "no".

If you're really serious in this business, guess you better learn how to take the word "NO".

Hope I made sense...

Jessalyn_54 wrote:
I don't understand what was funny about that question....it's something that happens all the time and he's asking how you would act.

see, he was saying that(calimari) no-one read that he said would (calimari) pay some one (calimari), and i (calimari) rephrased what he said in his statement (calimari) and asked him his own (calimari) question..

Jessalyn_54 wrote:
squid

Jessalyn_54 wrote:

you're right but I would have waited longer to do them

My point was that both sides have expenses. Not just one. Everything goes both ways. The biggest expense is getting clothes. And those aren't tax deductible.

i wonder if they are if you are a wardrobe stylist? but that is a whole different thread... here's hoping

Jessalyn_54 wrote:

Because I'm damn good at it and my avatar makes me look really serious.

ever think of going into law? 

brownbulldawg wrote:

I am not a photographer, but I definitely understand where you're coming from. Some models, or anybody in general just need to learn to respect someone's choice. If I politely asked you if you're willing to do a TFP with me & you respond; "Sorry, I no longer accept TFP...etc" I would totally understand & respond with "That's ok, I understand." or "What are your rates?" or better yet, say "If you need a model & start considering TFP shoots, please dont hesitate to contact me". No attitude necessary!!!

Well, I guess that's just me. I would say this though, I think the reason why some models respond with such attitude is because they hate getting turned down & it's a kick to their huge ego when someone says "no".

If you're really serious in this business, guess you better learn how to take the word "NO".

Hope I made sense...

lol..I love you. You just made the best post in this thread.

Mos Photography wrote:
Thank you! Photographers come out of WAY more money than the models. When I was accepting TFP, I had a stylist and makeup artist working for me. So I had to pay them out of my own money because I knew what kind of looks I wanted. 9/10 a real model will have clothes to wear and her roots done. If not, he/she needs to invest in that before they give themselves the model title.

so are you saying I shouldn't call myself a real model? I like how you used the example of roots and clothes...just like I did.

And when I do TFP I sure as hell don't usually get an MUA and a stylist! That's nearly unheard of. That's your own fault for offering so much free stuff. I go to most TFP shoots doing my own makeup and my own hair.

ERM Photography wrote:

i wonder if they are if you are a wardrobe stylist? but that is a whole different thread... here's hoping

A model and a wardrobe stylits can write off clothes. I know both who do it.

ERM Photography wrote:

i wonder if they are if you are a wardrobe stylist? but that is a whole different thread... here's hoping

Wardrobe stylist could most likely deduct it if they can prove that they aren't adding it to their personal collection (like a model would). The stylist could deduct it as a business expense most likely. Models cannot.

Mos Photography wrote:

A model and a wardrobe stylits can write off clothes. I know both who do it.

And if they get audited they will get that deduction taken away from them. I'm a tax accountant.

Rob Meggett wrote:
Because They are BAM ....... Broke AS Models.... Im slowing down on my TFP /CD.

Wait.... is that cheek I see?

Jessalyn_54 wrote:
so are you saying I shouldn't call myself a real model? I like how you used the example of roots and clothes...just like I did.

And when I do TFP I sure as hell don't usually get an MUA and a stylist! That's nearly unheard of. That's your own fault for offering so much free stuff. I go to most TFP shoots doing my own makeup and my own hair.

Well, I cant call myself a real photographer because im in college so..........

yea, the same applies to you.

If I see a beautiful girl or a model who I KNOW will give me a great look, I want to make sure that look is executed. Telling a model an idea and her showing up not looking like what I had in mind, is a waste of time.

mcStudio wrote:

ever think of going into law? 

Well I'm in accounting so sometimes we have to argue with people when they say "but can't I just hide this little bit of money in some offshore account? Pleeaaassseee?"