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I understand that some models are building their port, but please dont go off on me when I say I am not accpeting any TFP. Why do models want to use the best photographers on MM, but not pay for his/her talent? Oct 27 06 10:15 pm Link Because we don't have money. You = Working Professional Me = 20 year old kid, 40 thousand dollars in debt. duh. Why don't you chat about something else that has been beat into the fucking ground? Oct 27 06 10:17 pm Link Nemi Bea wrote: Wow. So offensive. Oct 27 06 10:19 pm Link if you are 40k in debt you should probably not spend so much time posting on MM and look for a higher paying job... no need to be mean To answer your question- I think a lot of people just look at the portfolios and don't really bother to read the details. Others just hope that they are the look you have been waiting for and that you will make an exception to work with them... plus every now and again a model catches a photographer on the right day and miracles happen, haha... sorry about all the rude models EM Oct 27 06 10:25 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: uh,..., not sure where anyone went off on you about not accepting TFPs ... Oct 27 06 10:28 pm Link It only makes sense to want that and atleast ask for it. Photographers (well, I atleast) want to work with the best damn models for free, but that doesn't mean it happens. The two forces play against each other in the neat little system of the model-photographer market. Oct 27 06 10:31 pm Link Im not saying anything is wrong witha sking. My problem is when I tell you I am no long accepting and you write me back saying "oh, well, I never pay for pictures. You should be willing to shoot me for free". If a model ask me if I do TFP and I say no, most will respond back with either, "sorry to hear that or "well, what are your rates?" I was just wondering why the attitude. I understand that some models dont have money. Up until earlier this year I WAS doing TFP. Im not saying I will never do it again. Just not now. Oct 27 06 10:34 pm Link Same reason why some photographers want to shoot on a TFP basis so the model "could build her/his portfolio" without paying for. Im pretty sure you did it!! Oct 27 06 10:37 pm Link You all are not understanding what I am saying. If its an AGREEMENT between the two, then FINE! No problem there. But if the photographer......nevermind. No need to explain any longer. Oct 27 06 10:38 pm Link I feel your pain. However, take it as a compliment that they would love to shoot with you. You do have great stuff in your port. If I was a starving model with no money, hey, what harm is done for asking. Maybe you would say yes. That being said... modeling is a business like any other business. If you want to become successful, somewhere down the road, you will need to make an investment... period! There is no way around it. All the successful models that I work with have paid for their pics.... several times over. And because of that, they are working. You obviously have to have what it takes, but that is the cold, hard facts. Anyone who doesn't agree is probably not a workign model, or doesn't understand the business. Oct 27 06 10:39 pm Link Nemi Bea wrote: true that homey. Oct 27 06 10:40 pm Link It could be because you have in your profile: "I am a 21 year old college student aspiring to be one of the greatest photographers to ever touch a camera!" then want people to pay you. Unfortunately, saying that you're a student and that you're "aspiring" doesn't exactly motivate people to open their wallets. If you believe that you're ready to go 'pro', then go 'pro', and commence charging. Oct 27 06 10:41 pm Link I am pretty sure no one actually reads the thread... which is a shame when it is only about 10 posts. I understand what you are saying MOS, I had a model get mad at me for not wanting to shoot her TFP- she didn't realize that there actually are expenses in TFP (film, makeup, time etc) and that its actually not just free pictures for everyone involved. Sorry- more people wrote in while I was typing... Oct 27 06 10:41 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: Fine. You'll hear this from time to time. Try perhaps to find something flattering in that you were asked, then move on. Thank the person for his/her interest in your work & move on. No need for further announcements, right? I mean, it is on your profile, so why not let it be? Oct 27 06 10:41 pm Link ERM Photography wrote: and some photographers don't realize that there are model expenses that go into TFP also (gotta get my roots done, get the nails done, possibly buy a brand new outfit). Oct 27 06 10:42 pm Link Shawn Ray wrote: This is so true. Most models I shoot have no problem paying, and they steadily have work. If you ask me, no problem. I have nothing against that. I just dont like the models who are totally against ever paying for a shoot. I know if I came across a great model and I knew I wanted to you her BAD, because she would bring something great to my port, I would have no problem paying her. You get what you pay for. Oct 27 06 10:43 pm Link That was just one model. And that's the end of it:) Some people have too much attitude, and this thread is all about one of them. But more specifically, about you being upset and wanting to went:) Oct 27 06 10:43 pm Link Olesja Mueller wrote: well said Oct 27 06 10:44 pm Link Side Effects Studio wrote: I dont care if it said I was a 10 year old dog looking for my next meal, a portfolio speaks for itself. I think my images are decent, and as a photographer, I have the right to accept TFP's or the right not to. Me stating my age and the fact that I am a college student is to show that I do have room to grow EVEN MORE. Oct 27 06 10:46 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: Whew!!! I'm exhausted! Well said, though. Keep on trucking, Bro. As long as you have room to grow, you will. Cheesy, huh? Oct 27 06 10:48 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: you aren't making a good argument for yourself...it's going downhill....sorry. If you have room to grow then why did you make the below comment? Mos Photography wrote: Oct 27 06 10:49 pm Link yeah... we should just kill TFP all together. say no to TFP! say no to TFP! Oct 27 06 10:49 pm Link Anyone want to talk about calamari? I made it tongiht. Very proud of myself - hard make good calamari. Oct 27 06 10:50 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: At no point did I say you didn't have the right to do whatever you wished, I simply pointed out what someone might extrapolate in context. It's part of self-marketing. Oct 27 06 10:51 pm Link mcStudio wrote: Amen! Oct 27 06 10:51 pm Link Seth wrote: well done indeed. Oct 27 06 10:51 pm Link Jessalyn_54 wrote: Because like stated before, this not only happened to me but also other photographers. If you are the best at something or ONE of the best (in your opinion), then it is STILL possible to get better. Common sense. Kobe Bryant is probably one of the best ball players in the NBA, but that doesnt mean he cant increase his game. Oct 27 06 10:53 pm Link Jessalyn_54 wrote: Thanks Didn't mean to hijack the thread and didn't really want to start a calamari thread, but I am proud of myself. It's really easy to overcook it and it came out perfect Oct 27 06 10:54 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: Yes the images should speak for themselves but part of being a successful anything is marketing yourself properly and how others perceive you. Many, many photographers take fantastic images but who are the ones that are hugely successful? The ones that know how to market those amazing photos. Oct 27 06 10:55 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: Now I agree with you. Oct 27 06 10:56 pm Link Did someone say CALAMARI???? Oct 27 06 10:56 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: well it still goes the other way. if a model thinks she one the best or even is one of the best, shouldn't you be paying her? so you may think you're worthy of being paid but that model thinks the exact same thing. Oct 27 06 10:57 pm Link Side Effects Studio wrote: He has a very good point. I wouldn't expect to pay someone who wasn't a working professional... Oct 27 06 10:59 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: There are more things in life than just money. Sometimes you do things to help others, for your enjoyment, for your passion. The feelings of reward for helping someone out far greater than mere money. Oct 27 06 10:59 pm Link Jessalyn_54 wrote: Boy, people dont read. I have already stated that if I see a model that I WANT TO USE FOR MY PORTFOLIO and she is not accepting TFP. I have no problem paying her. Oct 27 06 11:00 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: I'm showing you the opposing view to your argument. I haven't even looked at your port. I'm saying that you stated: Mos Photography wrote: Mos Photography wrote: The point is, that you have talent and they have talent. You want to be paid, they want to be paid. Oct 27 06 11:04 pm Link Chan Studio wrote: Its not that im money hungry or anything. Im fine in that situation. Its just the fact that some models refuse to pay, but will get pissed at you when you say you are no longer taking TFP. If a model can read and digest the fact that I am 21 and in college, then he/she should also be able to read and digest that Im no longer taking TFP. Both are on my page. How can you see one but not the other? Oct 27 06 11:04 pm Link Mos Photography wrote: And some people can't spell. Oct 27 06 11:05 pm Link Jessalyn_54 wrote: This is simply not true. You may find some photographers that will pay a model on this site, but when we're talking about the professional realm, it's a different ball game. This is the only site of it's kind. A site where a non-experienced model can put together a port that there Mom shot and want to charge for their services. This is not aimed at you, just "models" that I've encountered here. If the photographer is advertising TFP's, then fine. But to go to a "Professional" photographer, when you are an amature model, and INSIST on free pics. Well.... you get the picture. Oct 27 06 11:05 pm Link Shawn Ray wrote: Yes, Yes I did Oct 27 06 11:06 pm Link |