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I Really Pissed Off Her Mom......
Okay so we all know that all photographers are pedophiles, rapists and murderers. Society and the media has taught everyone to be EXRETEMLY cautious and apprehensive around photographers and to do everything possible to ensure that you dont end up a victim of a known photographer. The golden rule is that a female can NEVER be left alone with a photographer because at any given moment they might STRIKE.....sexually. Here is my story.....A mother of a 16 year old girl that lives about 5 minutes from me contacted me about doing some pictures for her daughter. She got my number from a friend of hers that I worked with previously. We set up a shoot and it went very well. At the shoot was the model, her mom, a brother and another guy. Clearly they brought back up to a very dangerous situtation. I mean, we were shooting at a public beach and we all know how risky that is. So anyway, girl loves her pictures and mom does too. A month later the mom calls me again and asks to do another shoot. We did. At my house. It went great and once again they loved the pictures. This girl went to the same high school that I did and we know alot of the same people. I had her listed as a friend on my Myspace profile and I noticed that she had put up many of our pictures on her page. I also noticed on her page alot of other stuff she put up.....racy pictures and stories about her and other guys. From the pictures it is very obvious that she dates older guys and from her posts its obvious she is sexually active. All fine and dandy with me. Yesterday her mom calls me and asks if I can do another shoot with the daughter. She is now 17 yrs old. I said sure, however, I asked if I could do the shoot just one on one with the model because I felt she wasnt opening up enough due to her mom being there. The mom was understanding but accused me of trying to be alone with her daughter so I could make "advances" toward her. I told her I took offense to that and asked why I would be any different then any other guy she was alone with. The mother stammered and then said "well because you are a photographer and it wouldnt be appropiate" . I said "of course, I should have known. Its a good thing all of those other guys she is having sex with arent photographers" Well, suffice it to say the mother started yelling and blah blah blah. I am tired of automatically being put on the same level as convicted molesters and rapists merely because I am a photographer. Photographers did ABSOLUTELY nothing to deserve their reputation. My father told me when he was in college studying photo-journalism that people actually liked and respected photographers. Oct 18 06 07:10 pm Link Kinetic Photography wrote: You forgot to say terrorists. Oct 18 06 07:13 pm Link Justice has been served...Sweet! Oct 18 06 07:15 pm Link CLT wrote: It takes way less than that to be a terrorist. I thought it was a given. Oct 18 06 07:15 pm Link CLT wrote: 2nd it was funny i been watching "to ceach a predator" on date line it is funny never have they caught a photographer Dr.s, Rabies, teachers, people that work in the high tech industry but no photographers HMMMM Oct 18 06 07:17 pm Link nathan combs wrote: Not only that, the cameras caught them. Oct 18 06 07:19 pm Link Kinetic Photography wrote: Sorry, there have been photographers, two in Canada in the last year that I know of that took advantage of underage models and one from the US who murdered the model. Granted, a small percentage, but in the news!!!! Oct 18 06 07:19 pm Link im, 16, and my mom and I are both cautious with who I work with, but she's not that psycho , if we've had 1-2 successful shoots , then afterwards she'd be okay with one-on-one. all parents are different, then again we are european... Oct 18 06 07:20 pm Link nathan combs wrote: oh god I watch that show at 3am after I've gotten home from the bars and I'm wasted. that with a cup of milk and a bag of cheetos is a good end to the night Oct 18 06 07:20 pm Link nathan combs wrote: I think it's funny that the people at DateLine caught rabies. Talk about occupational hazards... Oct 18 06 07:23 pm Link Jessalyn_54 wrote: lol i think we as photographers are getting the blame for what the guys on the show are doing Evin though they have caught over 150 people and 0 photographers in the bunch Oct 18 06 07:26 pm Link I'm courious how many potentail cleints did you just lose because of calling her daughter a slut? I think escorts are dumb but I also know that comercial shoots usally have a full crew working with them so if either photographer or model can't get their act together and do a fantactic job with a full set neither will make it very far. Oct 18 06 07:26 pm Link i think you did an excellent job at telling that to her mom!!! she just knows deep inside that the little girl she raised turned into a little slut, so she is very sensitive and over reactive about it. she is probably furious not because you "could potentially make sexual advances to her", but because she knows that her daughter probably would hook up with you for more photos. not that you would want to anyway. i am probably generalizing, but it seems to me that way, this one time... sorry Oct 18 06 07:26 pm Link Experimental Photoworks wrote: yes commercial shoots have people BUT THEY USUALLY DO NOT HAVE HYSTERICAL MOTHERS! Oct 18 06 07:28 pm Link Jack Checkowy wrote: Two in Canada and one on America....that doesnt even equal a "percentage". In America we have 4,500 women murdered every year. We have about 125,000 or more sexually assualted. How many by photographers ? Oct 18 06 07:28 pm Link Experimental Photoworks wrote: i think it shows that the parents are not looking in the right direction there looking in the left hand when it is the right that they should be worried about Oct 18 06 07:28 pm Link Danella L. wrote: That's right, truth is bitter while lies are candy coated. She wouldn't worry if she thought her daughter knew better, but since it is suggested otherwise... Oct 18 06 07:30 pm Link I would just like to point out, though, seriously, that you kind of sound like wanted to "make advances" in your OP because you go straight from explaining that you realised she dates older men and is sexually active to asking her mother if she could be at the shoot alone. . Oct 18 06 07:31 pm Link Danella L. wrote: no that is what the art director is for.... Oct 18 06 07:31 pm Link I didnt call the girl a slut, I would never call a girl a slut. I just mentioned that she was having sex with a few other guys. Has our society become so jaded and sheltered that a 17 yr old girl has to have her mom with her around a photographer ? The whole point of this is that EVERY model I work with spends hours everyday , unsupervised, around other adults and yet parents are allowing of this...but NO WAY will a female be around a photographer. We all know how dangerous photographers. Oct 18 06 07:32 pm Link Jack Checkowy wrote: oh? Do tell... Please... Post links... IN FACT come over to "the thread" and post the links to these articles and records of convicted felons who are also professional photographers... please.. please... we've been looking for documentable actual data. Oct 18 06 07:33 pm Link Kinetic Photography wrote: I'd say the 17 year old girl was the dangerous one in the encounter you were trying to set up. Oct 18 06 07:34 pm Link Mikel Featherston wrote: i agree 100% Oct 18 06 07:34 pm Link Wynd Mulysa wrote: I pointed out that she hangs out with older guys because I think its odd that her mother would be so afraid of me, a photographer, but not other guys. This is the double standard that photographers have to deal with. Her mother lets her be alone with other guys, why not a photographer. For the record, I have never hooked up with a single model, EVER !! Oct 18 06 07:35 pm Link Kinetic Photography wrote: Then why consider putting yourself in a situation where you can be accused of it by the 17 year old who clearly has a taste for older men? Oct 18 06 07:37 pm Link James Jackson wrote: The only professional photographer that I know of who killed a model was Charles Rathburn. He killed Linda Sobek in 1996 in Los Angeles. He was well known and her agency set her up with him for a shoot in the desert. They were alone on the shoot. DANGEROUS !!!! However, that year in Los Angeles County alone, 300 women were killed by non-photographers, lol. Go figure Oct 18 06 07:40 pm Link Mikel Featherston wrote: i think it is that we as photographers think with our cameras and get tied up in getting what photos we are trying to get that we do not see every thing around a given situation Oct 18 06 07:40 pm Link I know how you feel my friend. I had someone accuse me of being a pornographer. I can't figure that out from looking at my portfolio. Oct 18 06 07:41 pm Link Mikel Featherston wrote: Because i want good pictures and i trust that most people are honest and wont make false accusations. I am not one of these people who worry all the time about being alone with models and liability. Along the same lines as models being afraid of photographer, photographers are overly afraid of models accusing them of something innapropiate. Oct 18 06 07:42 pm Link nathan combs wrote: As caught up as I can get in my photography, I'd have to say that the number 17 would still show up in big flashing type. Oct 18 06 07:43 pm Link Kinetic Photography wrote: you sed it better than me Oct 18 06 07:43 pm Link Kinetic Photography wrote: No no no! Jack Checkowy wrote: He said there was a murder of a model in the US WITHIN THE LAST YEAR Where is this news story??? Where's the court documentation? Who was the photographers, Where did it happen, When in the last year, What did he do exactly, Why did he do it, and How did he accomplish all this without appearing in one US news broadcast? Oct 18 06 07:43 pm Link Ok, let me get this straight... - You want to work w/ someone w/ whom you have already worked w/ & who also happens to be underage. - Mother isn't buying into it &/or your reasons. "well because you are a photographer and it wouldnt be appropiate" - You reply back, "Of course, I should have known. Its a good thing all of those other guys she is having sex with arent photographers" - Mother gets angry. - & on here, you have the audacity to blame this on the mother?!?! Way to blow it, man. Not only I see nothing wrong w/ the mother's requests &/or her reasonings (from what little you gave). You never made the attempt to compromise. Oct 18 06 07:44 pm Link Farenell Photography wrote: You should probably get new glasses then. Oct 18 06 07:45 pm Link Kinetic Photography wrote: NOW my question to you is this..... WERE YOU GETTING PAID FOR THOSE SHOOTS WITH THIS GIRL!!??? Oct 18 06 07:46 pm Link James Jackson wrote: How you figure? Oct 18 06 07:47 pm Link Kinetic Photography wrote: Knowing what you know about the girl, I think it was stupid to ask to be one on one. Especially under the pretense that she'll open more without her mom there. And then, you say what I bolded above. Sorry dude, that was just absolutely stupid. Right or wrong, you called her daughter a slut right after you asked to have a one-on-one shoot. Oct 18 06 07:49 pm Link Many here who photograph under 18 models are playing with fire if their parents aren't there. Just imagine if you shot her and some of the images were a bit racy. Mom starts to wonder what else happened at the shoot. You of course are a good and professional person but would the police know that? Trust me on this, one call to the police about any adult photographing a under aged girl raises eyebrows. I'm not tying to scare you but just to make you understand that any time any person under 18 is left in your care it makes you liable and leaves you open to possible problems. What if after the shoot she hangs out with her friends and tells mom she was with you? Its a risk and headache you don't want. If mom makes her stiff then get a friend or two to hang with her while you shoot. Oct 18 06 07:51 pm Link After two photo sessions, with a request being made for a third, you WOULD think the mother had developed some degree of trust with you. So her response was not really a good one. However, your response was... just plain dumb. Oct 18 06 07:54 pm Link eeeeewwwwwwwwww! You are REALLY creepy! You better stay FAR away from any of my daughters, if I have any!!! Click Hamilton ;-) Oct 18 06 07:58 pm Link |