Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
model7299 wrote:
A simple, "No thank you" doesn't always work. I tried it once after this amatuer tog kept telling me how he had plenty of other models to pick from so I should feel "lucky", essentially, that he picked me. I looked at his work and I thought it was done with a disposable camera or something, so when I said no thanks, he flipped out because he said that apparently I thought I was "the shit" and that I think i'm "such a great model".
h'okay whatever. please dont talk to me when you're still using your disposable diapers... I MEAN CAMERAS. But if you shoot with me, I can make you famous and teach you sexy French words like, faus pax, French food like toast and fries, and other Frenchy stuff involving tongues. If you don't shoot with me, you'll never learn these things and never get out of Kansas.
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
...Stacy wrote:
don't ask her to do nudes/porn, she'll bite your head off! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
It is worth about a thousand dollars more. I will be following in your footsteps soon. Alan is following MY footsteps!!! YES!!! Take that all you other MMers!! Alan is stalking me!! And NOT you!! bahahahaha.
Photographer
Monsante Bey
Posts: 2111
Columbus, Georgia, US
DigitalCMH wrote:
But if you shoot with me, I can make you famous and teach you sexy French words like, faus pax, French food like toast and fries, and other Frenchy stuff involving tongues. If you don't shoot with me, you'll never learn these things and never get out of Kansas. lol what, no tickling?
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
Monsante Bey wrote:
lol what, no tickling? 
Photographer
Monsante Bey
Posts: 2111
Columbus, Georgia, US
Hey, all things french.
Not for ME!! C'mon now.
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Jeff Fiore wrote:
Hey! That's PORN! I don't think stuffed animals count as porn, even if they're stuffing one another :-p
Model
_Alexandra
Posts: 650
Alexandria, Virginia, US
DigitalCMH wrote:
But if you shoot with me, I can make you famous and teach you sexy French words like, faus pax, French food like toast and fries, and other Frenchy stuff involving tongues. If you don't shoot with me, you'll never learn these things and never get out of Kansas. Oh no! I didn't realise I was missing out! Let me whip out my checkbook right now!
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Jeff Fiore wrote:
*cough* *gulp*
nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nuthin. w-w-w-what do you have in mi-mi-mind?
*gulp* *blink blink*
Did I stumble in to the internet dating thread?
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
David Moyle wrote:
Ya, but since people are still arguing like children over this, it at least gives them the joy of depositing a check, which is really what it all comes down to anyway. Yea but you know what would happen, one will want to charge $1 more than the other so one can claim the other paid them to shoot.
M$+1 + P$+1 = stupidity
Based on my original equation, TFP/CD makes more sense - it is rocket science after all.
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
SLE Photography wrote:
I don't think stuffed animals count as porn, even if they're stuffing one another :-p Obvoiusly your definition of porn is different than mine - I know porn when I see it!
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
SLE Photography wrote:
*blink blink*
Did I stumble in to the internet dating thread? Umm NO! I always stu-stu-stutter when I'm propositioned
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Jeff Fiore wrote:
Obvoiusly your definition of porn is different than mine - I know porn when I see it! You have a tragically dirty mind.
I salute you.
Photographer
Dreams To Keep
Posts: 585
Novi, Michigan, US
Gary L. wrote:
this thread is funny. No, it isn't. Its getting sad. And each time it comes up it gets sadder and more pathetic. And worse than that it is unprofessional. That readily gets noticed by the newbies and those who just drop in on occasion - pro or not.
For me, this is one of those times that its too bad that all the forums are public and you don't have to be logged in to read them. Garage Glamour has a backroom for members only where they can tear into each other if they want to.
What this thread shows in a nutshell, especially on the first page of it, is the level of animosity that lurks here, especially among some of the photographers.
There aren't more than a dozen photographers here (and I don't count myself among them) that have the name recognition and agency backing to even begin to tell models that they the models should be honored to shoot with with them.
The rest of you, get over yourselves. If you can go shoot something other than models, go to someplace called "Badger Mayhem" or "Fruit Bowl Mayhem". But its time to quit slamming the models. Pay or not. But stop bitching at them; its nothing but small minded noise.
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
SLE Photography wrote:
You have a tragically dirty mind.
I salute you. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
.............I think..........
Photographer
BTHPhoto
Posts: 6985
Fairbanks, Alaska, US
Ivan123 wrote:
"I am an aspiring Inuit model from the Yukon looking for great local photographers..." Cool! Check out my portfolio. I'm only a day's drive away from you, I speak a little Innupiaq, and I have lots of experience shooting around giant mosquitoes.
And you thought you were being sarcastic ...
Photographer
Gibson Photo Art
Posts: 7990
Phoenix, Arizona, US
00siris wrote:
There's a model who left me the following quote:
"I love your work - contact me for my rates" - WHAT !?! What I'm reading into this is you don't want to get spammed by the models?
I agree with that.
Photographer
Gibson Photo Art
Posts: 7990
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Models shouldn't get spammed that way by photogs either.
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
Dreams To Keep wrote:
No, it isn't. Its getting sad. And each time it comes up it gets sadder and more pathetic. And worse than that it is unprofessional. That readily gets noticed by the newbies and those who just drop in on occasion - pro or not.
For me, this is one of those times that its too bad that all the forums are public and you don't have to be logged in to read them. Garage Glamour has a backroom for members only where they can tear into each other if they want to.
What this thread shows in a nutshell, especially on the first page of it, is the level of animosity that lurks here, especially among some of the photographers.
There aren't more than a dozen photographers here (and I don't count myself among them) that have the name recognition and agency backing to even begin to tell models that they the models should be honored to shoot with with them.
The rest of you, get over yourselves. If you can go shoot something other than models, go to someplace called "Badger Mayhem" or "Fruit Bowl Mayhem". But its time to quit slamming the models. Pay or not. But stop bitching at them; its nothing but small minded noise. Yes, it is sad and you always see this topic in the forums. It gets tiring, which is why I choose to have fun with it.
My goal is NOT to make money off models, my goal is to make money off my photographs.
Photographer
BTHPhoto
Posts: 6985
Fairbanks, Alaska, US
Sometimes I pay models for shots I can sell as prints. Sometimes models want more than I can pay. We talk it over and see if we can reach a price that works for both of us. If so, we set up a shoot. If not, we say thanks, argue a bit over who gets to pay for the coffee, and part ways.
Sometimes models pay me for shots they can use to promote themselves. Sometimes I want more than they can pay. We talk it over and see if we can reach a price that works for both of us. If so, we set up a shoot. If not, we say thanks, haggle a bit over who get's to pay for the coffee, and part ways.
Sometimes models want to pose for shots I can sell as prints in return for shots they can use to promote themselves. Sometimes they want to barter but don't want to pose for shots I can sell. If we can agree on shots that meet both our needs, we set up a shoot. If not, we say thanks, argue over who gets to pay for the coffee, then part ways.
So, you see, the real dillemma in negotiations between photographers and models isn't who has the gall to think their time and talent is actually worth money. It's not who's replaceable by badgers, or who doesn't know their proper place in the "biz" (photographer = god, model = garbage, or so I gather from some of these posts).
No, the real dillemma, the point you're ALL missing, is WHO GETS TO PAY FOR THE GODDAM COFFEE WHEN YOUR MEETING'S OVER!
You people are better than the funny papers.
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
Tim Hammond wrote:
No, the real dillemma, the point you're ALL missing, is WHO GETS TO PAY FOR THE GODDAM COFFEE WHEN YOUR MEETING'S OVER! SIGH! Is this going to require another equation? I WAS trying to keep the rocket science simple.
M$ > PD$ = M*
P$ > MD$ = P*
Translation:
* = Starbucks
Model pay is greater than photographer's desire to pay = model pay for Starbucks
Photographer pay is greater than model's desire to pay = photographer pay for Starbucks
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
Monsante Bey wrote:
What's a starbucks? Ok, it could be Dunkin' Donuts so just change the * to O
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
Suzi wrote:
I want you to shoot a badger in the woods and pay me for it.
Why, what did you think I was referring to?  Umm,... Um..... like...... you know......... I um... knew that's what you were talking about...yea....like..... really....
Photographer
Voice of Reason
Posts: 8741
Anaheim, California, US
Jeff Fiore wrote:
SIGH! Is this going to require another equation? I WAS trying to keep the rocket science simple.
M$ > PD$ = M*
P$ > MD$ = P*
Translation:
* = Starbucks
Model pay is greater than photographer's desire to pay = model pay for Starbucks
Photographer pay is greater than model's desire to pay = photographer pay for Starbucks I was actually trying to work this into my plan (mentioned earlier) to help balance out the equation, but it keeps falling through when the model sees I want the venti chai tea latte with an add shot, and all she wants is a tall drip.
Photographer
Ivan123
Posts: 1037
Arlington, Virginia, US
Tim Hammond wrote:
Cool! Check out my portfolio. I'm only a day's drive away from you, I speak a little Innupiaq, and I have lots of experience shooting around giant mosquitoes.
And you thought you were being sarcastic ... God, this is downright SCARY.
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
David Moyle wrote:
I was actually trying to work this into my plan (mentioned earlier) to help balance out the equation, but it keeps falling through when the model sees I want the venti chai tea latte with an add shot, and all she wants is a tall drip. May have to rework the equation to accomodate that, maybe the person that orders the more expensive coffee pays?
M*$ > P*$ = M pays
M*$ < P*$ = P pays
I'm beginning to think we need a unified field theory to explain everything. This is beyond my capabilites, we need a rocket scientist.
Photographer
TR PHOTO
Posts: 227
Los Angeles, California, US
My first day in school my teacher stated' " Good luck in your careers, Photography is one of the only careers that you can pick up equipment and immediately have a job. " I think there are so many new photographers doing TFP's that many clients are treating all photographers like students. With the instant gratification of digital imagery, some are even shooting themselves for portfolios and creating amazing photoshop images.
The business of photography/modeling is:
When you book a gig for print- you hire a model
When you shoot a gig for sale- you hire a model
When you need images taken- you hire a photographer
If you're a photographer you can offer to shoot TFP
If you're a model you can trade out your image for prints or cd
Photographer
Dee
Posts: 3004
Toledo, Ohio, US
Suzi wrote:
So do a lot of photographers. Like models can't replace them with the guy from next door and his new digital. OH man GWC mentality here......
Sure you could replace him/her but jesus christ with a guy next door with his new digital..You must not want decent pictures then..LOL
Model
_Alexandra
Posts: 650
Alexandria, Virginia, US
TIM RICKS PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
My first day in school my teacher stated' " Good luck in your careers, Photography is one of the only careers that you can pick up equipment and immediately have a job. " But that's if you have talent. If you don't know what you're doing, have a crappy camera, and half-ass everything, no one's going to pay you.
Unless your'e offering to make them rich and famous if they'll only pay you $2,000 up front...
Model
StaciF
Posts: 876
New York, New York, US
I am posting here to get noticed- Here are my rates
Model
StacyJack
Posts: 2297
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
Jeff Fiore wrote:
May have to rework the equation to accomodate that, maybe the person that orders the more expensive coffee pays?
M*$ > P*$ = M pays
M*$ < P*$ = P pays
I'm beginning to think we need a unified field theory to explain everything. This is beyond my capabilites, we need a rocket scientist. lol: I'm a rocket scientist!
Model
Suzi
Posts: 483
Toledo, Ohio, US
Jeff Fiore wrote:
Umm,... Um..... like...... you know......... I um... knew that's what you were talking about...yea....like..... really.... hold on a minute...are you making fun of me? are you degrading the fact that i am an internet model? or the fact that i use capital letters sparingly? huh, which is it...
Model
Suzi
Posts: 483
Toledo, Ohio, US
Dee wrote:
OH man GWC mentality here......
Sure you could replace him/her but jesus christ with a guy next door with his new digital..You must not want decent pictures then..LOL Sure, I could. Some good cam-phone, web cam shots probably.
Photographer
TR PHOTO
Posts: 227
Los Angeles, California, US
model7299 wrote:
But that's if you have talent. If you don't know what you're doing, have a crappy camera, and half-ass everything, no one's going to pay you.
Unless your'e offering to make them rich and famous if they'll only pay you $2,000 up front... I couldn't agree more-
Photographer
500 Gigs of Desire
Posts: 3833
New York, New York, US
Most of the test shoots I do are free.
But I'm very selective about who and what I shoot.
(Old MM Portfolio trashed, replaced with brand new one)
Model
StacyJack
Posts: 2297
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
you have to take the average logarithmic energy decrement per espresso per subject, the faster half life of the drinks, which will depend on milk content of course, then add to that the amount of time spent in line. (T(ave)).
Then smak yourself for going to starbucks.
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
model7299 wrote:
Oh no! I didn't realise I was missing out! Let me whip out my checkbook right now! Are being sarcastic? Come on! No teasing!
Photographer
Voice of Reason
Posts: 8741
Anaheim, California, US
...Stacy wrote:
you have to take the average logarithmic energy decrement per espresso per subject, the faster half life of the drinks, which will depend on milk content of course, then add to that the amount of time spent in line. (T(ave)).
Then smak yourself for going to starbucks. I lost concentration on what you were saying. Must be the caffeine!
Model
StacyJack
Posts: 2297
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
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