Suzi wrote:

[IMG}http://www.worth1000.com/emailthis.asp?entry=198660{/IMG}

Fixed it

LMAO! I love it! Could not have put it any better!

Suzi wrote:

http://www.worth1000.com/emailthis.asp?entry=198660

OK, thats sexy.... but I was talking about badgers!

John Paul wrote:

There are a few people here who I'd like to spam...who could become better photographers if they could hire me to teach them.. I know..I know... that would be a pretty low thing to do, and would surely ignite a fierce Gen. forum topic..    ...which is exactly why I'd do it.. 

  JP

Actually that is not a bad idea...........my rates are very reasonable LOL!

Jeff Fiore wrote:

OK, thats sexy.... but I was talking about badgers!

DAMN, i guess people just don't use badgers unless they do nudes, but I hear their rates are to high!

Suzi wrote:

http://www.worth1000.com/emailthis.asp?entry=198660

don't ask her to do nudes/porn, she'll bite your head off!

Suzi wrote:

DAMN, i guess people just don't use badgers unless they do nudes, but I hear their rates are to high!

I heard badgers are prima donnas and most of the time, they don't show up. then the dumb excuses "sorry I had to lick myself clean today" Sheesh!

Brian Diaz wrote:
I'm inclined to consider someone contacting me with her or his rates as spam.  Spam is bad.

Yes and there are models who receive requests for TFP and consider it spam as well.

I understand the original OP's point, but we have this same thread all too often.

What ever happned to just saying "No Thank You?"

Julian wrote:
i'm not a pro model or anything i just started out but ha ha thats a hot comeback : 0 : ))

Not a pro model, huh?  We don't allow no damned witty comebacks until you have posted at least three times.

Witty comeback, well welcome to the forum.  How is that for witty?

Jeff Fiore wrote:

Since to some it is Rocket Science:

M model
P photographer
D desire to work with
$ pay
> Greater than
< Less than
T TFP/CD
C client

MD < PD = M$
MD > PD = P$
MD = PD = T
CD = M$ P$

SAT flashback! HELP!!!!!

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Yes and there are models who receive requests for TFP and consider it spam as well.

I understand the original OP's point, but we have this same thread all too often.

What ever happned to just saying "No Thank You?"

I agree but apparenty because it is not in my equation. This calls for a revised equation

M model
P photographer
D desire to work with
$ pay
> Greater than
< Less than
T TFP/CD
C client


MD < PD = M$
MD > PD = P$
MD = PD = T
CD = M$ P$
MDT > PD = No Thanks
PDT > MD = No Thanks

There, that should fix it.

theda wrote:

Yes. We are totally replaceable by badgers.  That's why there the new CK Badger line coming out.

Really, sometimes the attitudes here astound me.

I love you Theda...MM would be a worse place without you, really. In response to the thread, I agree w/ the both sides of the fence thing. Everyone out here is trying to get paid work...okay, maybe not everyone, but most...and we are essentially each other's competition, so the fact that i tell you i have rates (i have always shot tfp, btw), shouldn't blow you out of the water....but yes, i agree that if you contact me, my rates; if i contact you, your rates.

tho the models AND photographers on here who are trying to get paid w/ inferior work  (in my opinion) is surpsingly high...

theda wrote:

You mean you can actually get models to go for that? I don't think I've ever shot artisic work in exchange for soemthing I "needed" for my portfolio. For it's own sake, yes. For money, sure. But not for headshots.

I've made similar deals to this on several occasions.  If there're new models who're interested in/willing to work in artistic styles that I need, I will shoot straight portfolio for them.
It's been mixed success, but I've had a few good results.

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Here we go again.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

CREATIVE EYE MEDIA wrote:
We are no better or less than each other. Why don't we all just lose the attitudes, and work together to become successful at what we all love.

Quite wasting time whinning about making money, and make connections that could lead to great opportunities, and wealth.

Fully agree with this statement.

I shoot because I love to.  I would figure models pose for the camera because they love to.  If they are in it for just the money, its a desire I don't want to work with.

Granted money is nice all around.  But If I don't currently have a paying project, and the model doesn't have a current paying project.. Why not just get together take a few photos and have fun?

All those Elites out there whom only get paid... Good for you.  Im glad you can get paid on a constant basis. 

Please, I just ask you all to not come crying about it on a site like this.  Where all levels of XP are there, and all differnt types of people are here.

Now, if you were on an 'Elite Only' where it was fully expected that every one get paid for everything.   that would lead you umm... well.. broke even I guess, cause if the the Photog and MUA splits costs to pay the model and the Model and MUA split costs to pay the photog and the photog and model split costs to pay the MUA, than well.. looks like everyone breaks even.  so whats the point?

Yet, if there is a "CLIENT" behind the scense, than they are paying everyone and everyone is happy right?  so until that client comes by... there are a couple things you should do.

Politely Decline
Shut the hell up and pay
Ignore.

if there is an exceptional vission the photog has, and it is gonna cost a bunch of out of pocket money and the model shows intrest, it might be in the best intrest to pay the photog for prints... but not nessisarly the shoot itself.

Now if the photog has same vission and contacts a model, whatever the compensation may be is between the photog and the model to agree upon.

to me... its nuff said.

John Paul wrote:

There are a few people here who I'd like to spam...who could become better photographers if they could hire me to teach them.. I know..I know... that would be a pretty low thing to do, and would surely ignite a fierce Gen. forum topic..    ...which is exactly why I'd do it.. 

  JP

At least it would be different than the same old TFP yes or no arguement

Suzi wrote:

So do a lot of photographers.  Like models can't replace them with the guy from next door and his new digital.

Or his spiffy new camera phone!

Ivan123 wrote:
I have looked and looked and can see no difference, whatsoever:


https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic_id=4367576ca1f03

http://www.municipiodenogales.org/images/BADGER.jpg

lol, damn.

Jeff Fiore wrote:

LOL, Nice comeback!

Yea, I've never seen a really good glamour or nude shot of a badger. Personally I'd rather stick to models....

Dunno, this is pretty sexy:
http://www.ghostofashark.co.uk/badger/a … on_top.jpg

SLE Photography wrote:

Dunno, this is pretty sexy:
http://www.ghostofashark.co.uk/badger/a … on_top.jpg

Hey! That's PORN!

CREATIVE EYE MEDIA wrote:
We are no better or less than each other. Why don't we all just lose the attitudes, and work together to become successful at what we all love.

Quite wasting time whinning about making money, and make connections that could lead to great opportunities, and wealth.

Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and never brought to mind ?
Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and auld lang syne

Jeff Fiore wrote:

Hey! That's PORN!

you are one sick, sick man.


what r u doin lata?

Jeff Fiore wrote:
Since to some it is Rocket Science:

M model
P photographer
D desire to work with
$ pay
> Greater than
< Less than
T TFP/CD
C client

MD < PD = M$
MD > PD = P$
MD = PD = T
CD = M$ P$

bWAHAHAHAH
I am stealing this & posting it on my web page.

SLE Photography wrote:

bWAHAHAHAH
I am stealing this & posting it on my web page.

And you don't have to credit me either - consider it freeware.

DigitalCMH wrote:


Should I buy a Canon or Nikon?


Oops, wrong thread, sorry. I'll start a new one!

Buy a Nikon


Ooops, right answer on the wrong thread...I'll go find your new one!

Ivan123 wrote:
Also, hasn't anyone noticed that the initial post is just the poster's "About Me" section?  Not that that is bad, but shouldn't we ALL start posts by cutting and pasting our "About Me"? 

"I am an aspiring Inuit model from the Yukon looking for great local photographers..."

*puts in the top 20 funniest MM moments archieve*

Suzi wrote:

you are one sick, sick man.


what r u doin lata?

*cough* *gulp*
nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nuthin.  w-w-w-what do you have in mi-mi-mind?
*gulp*

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:

Yes and there are models who receive requests for TFP and consider it spam as well.

I understand the original OP's point, but we have this same thread all too often.

What ever happned to just saying "No Thank You?"

A simple, "No thank you" doesn't always work.  I tried it once after this amatuer tog kept telling me how he had plenty of other models to pick from so I should feel "lucky", essentially, that he picked me.  I looked at his work and I thought it was done with a disposable camera or something, so when I said no thanks, he flipped out because he said that apparently I thought I was "the shit" and that I think i'm "such a great model".

h'okay whatever.  please dont talk to me when you're still using your disposable diapers... I MEAN CAMERAS.

David Moyle wrote:
Ok, maybe we can solve this once and for all.

All the "best" models that only want to work for money, and all "best" photographers that only want to work for money, write each other a check for each other's time and shut the hell up!

This will require good negotiating skills, as, if done correctly, it'll balance out to zero and all the fragile egos will come away unscathed as you actually did get paid.

Hmm....

M$  P$ = TFP/CD

Jeff Fiore wrote:

Hmm....

M$  P$ = TFP/CD

perfect!

Im'age NY (INY) wrote:

Buy a Nikon


Ooops, right answer on the wrong thread...I'll go find your new one!

Sorry, I'm too lazy to start a new thread.  For what it's worth, I upgraded my Nikon D70 to the Nikon D200

Jeff Fiore wrote:

*cough* *gulp*
nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nu-nuthin.  w-w-w-what do you have in mi-mi-mind?
*gulp*

I want you to shoot a badger in the woods and pay me for it. 

Why, what did you think I was referring to? 

Jeff Fiore wrote:

Hmm....

M$  P$ = TFP/CD

Ya, but since people are still arguing like children over this, it at least gives them the joy of depositing a check, which is really what it all comes down to anyway.

DigitalCMH wrote:

Sorry, I'm too lazy to start a new thread.  For what it's worth, I upgraded my Nikon D70 to the Nikon D200

It is worth about a thousand dollars more.  I will be following in your footsteps soon.