StaciF wrote:
And I am tired of photographers contacting me  saying you need better picture in your portfolio- Here are my fees-
  It is a two way street people- So quit complaining and start shooting- and you can't fault a model or a photographer for marketing themselves. If you think their is value pay it- If you don't move on- It isn't rocket science

TRUE - this is the other side of the question - If a photographer contacts a model saying that he/she wants to get a model better pix, then he/she should be ready for TFP/CD - It's not right to feed off these start up models like that. If a photog wants to get work and it's a question of marketing, he/she should be prepared to do some work as well.

Not a bad point Staci - sorry I didn't mention it

00siris wrote:
Attention models:::::
Let me start by saying this: If you don't like a photographers work, then just move on.

There's a model who left me the following quote:
"I love your work - contact me for my rates" - WHAT !?!

Charging a photog is an insult unless he/she has a project or is trying to better himself/herself at a particular set. If you want to get paid, by all means do so. But, you have to go on castings or get an agent - it's as simple as that. You have to be willing to go out there and do a little work.

Read about or ask any successful model and find out that being pretty is just a small piece to the modeling puzzle.

Please try and find out what TFP/CD REALLY means - please - Enough is enough already.

Sitting here at the organ leading the choir while OOsiris preaches the gospel.  Preach on.


Brother Darque

A. H A M I L T O N wrote:
It might have to do with the fact that most of your images are nude or implied, and honestly, I can't fault them for saying, "Hey, I like your work, but you don't get to see my unclothed crotch for free!"

Call me old fashioned, but your work is art.  There is nothing portfolio building about it.  No model on this site needs what you do for their portfolio, if they want it for some reason and want to get naked for you for free, great.  If they don't, you should take your own advice and just move on.

Artists usually have to pay models to sit for them, don't kid yourself that it's some sort of insult for someone to want to work with you but require pay.  As a photographer, I do the same thing about 10 times per day, on average.  Not with models, but with clients in my market.  It's a compliment.

Andy

If I want a particular model for my artistic work, I'll barter portraits. head shots, something they need for their port.


Darque

Brian Diaz wrote:
I'm inclined to consider someone contacting me with her or his rates as spam.  Spam is bad.

Good point. If they are contacting me with rates, I agree. If they are just asking to collaborate (ie TFP shoot), I have no problem with that. This is a networking site after all.

Darque wrote:
If I want a particular model for my artistic work, I'll barter portraits. head shots, something they need for their port.

You mean you can actually get models to go for that? I don't think I've ever shot artisic work in exchange for soemthing I "needed" for my portfolio. For it's own sake, yes. For money, sure. But not for headshots.

Chuck Holliday wrote:
you know you cant tell these babes anything, they feel as if theyre gods gift and like photographers cant replace them with animals and wildlife

Yes. We are totally replaceable by badgers.  That's why there the new CK Badger line coming out.

Really, sometimes the attitudes here astound me.

00siris wrote:
Attention models:::::
Let me start by saying this: If you don't like a photographers work, then just move on.

How 'bout:  "If you don't like a model, then just move on."  I, for one, have no problem with models who wish to get paid.  I might not be the one paying them, but then again, maybe I will.

Stop whining.

Chuck Holliday wrote:
you know you cant tell these babes anything, they feel as if theyre gods gift and like photographers cant replace them with animals and wildlife

So do a lot of photographers.  Like models can't replace them with the guy from next door and his new digital.

StaciF wrote:
And I am tired of photographers contacting me  saying you need better picture in your portfolio- Here are my fees-
  It is a two way street people- So quit complaining and start shooting- and you can't fault a model or a photographer for marketing themselves. If you think their is value pay it- If you don't move on- It isn't rocket science

I totally agree! This argument is going no where!

00siris wrote:
Attention models:::::
Let me start by saying this: If you don't like a photographers work, then just move on.

There's a model who left me the following quote:
"I love your work - contact me for my rates" - WHAT !?!

Charging a photog is an insult unless he/she has a project or is trying to better himself/herself at a particular set. If you want to get paid, by all means do so. But, you have to go on castings or get an agent - it's as simple as that. You have to be willing to go out there and do a little work.

Read about or ask any successful model and find out that being pretty is just a small piece to the modeling puzzle.

Please try and find out what TFP/CD REALLY means - please - Enough is enough already.

Word!

Suzi wrote:

So do a lot of photographers.  Like models can't replace them with the guy from next door and his new digital.

LOL, Nice comeback!

Yea, I've never seen a really good glamour or nude shot of a badger. Personally I'd rather stick to models....

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Here we go again.

Should I buy a Canon or Nikon?


Oops, wrong thread, sorry. I'll start a new one!

DigitalCMH wrote:



Should I buy a Canon or Nikon?


Oops, wrong thread, sorry. I'll start a new one!

You mean for all the wildlife you will be taking pictures with?


(according to Mr. Holiday)

Suzi wrote:

So do a lot of photographers.  Like models can't replace them with the guy from next door and his new digital.

i'm not a pro model or anything i just started out but ha ha thats a hot comeback : 0 : ))

Gary L. wrote:
this thread is funny.

sure is!

J Merrill Images wrote:
Hypothetical: I am a salesman. I sell widgets. In my never ending search to sell lots of widgets I come across a potential customer who is buying widgets from a supplier with inferior product. Would I be wrong if I made a sales pitch to the customer?

This is actually a very good point.  I believe the problem that model has is marketing.  If she wishes to contact photographers and quote rates, she needs to explain WHY she'd be worth it.  Such as, "Having me in your portfolio could potentially land you future PAID work as I am very well-known in the industry and clients love to hire photographers that have worked with me.  I also have a lot of models asking me for photographer referrals as well which could lead you to shoots with models that pay YOU."

I have paid a model before.  She's well-known in her industry.  It attracted more attention to my portfolio.  Several girls told me that the reason they were interested in shooting with me was because of her.

Model Sarah wrote:

You mean for all the wildlife you will be taking pictures with?


(according to Mr. Holiday)

Hey, some of those girls I've worked with can be pretty wild

DigitalCMH wrote:

This is actually a very good point.  I believe the problem that model has is marketing.  If she wishes to contact photographers and quote rates, she needs to explain WHY she'd be worth it.  Such as, "Having me in your portfolio could potentially land you future PAID work as I am very well-known in the industry and clients love to hire photographers that have worked with me.  I also have a lot of models asking me for photographer referrals as well which could lead you to shoots with models that pay YOU."

I have paid a model before.  She's well-known in her industry.  It attracted more attention to my portfolio.  Several girls told me that the reason they were interested in shooting with me was because of her.

I think you have made the most valid point here. I was going to say the same thing but the "wildlife" comment was funnier

StaciF wrote:
And I am tired of photographers contacting me  saying you need better picture in your portfolio- Here are my fees-
  It is a two way street people- So quit complaining and start shooting- and you can't fault a model or a photographer for marketing themselves. If you think their is value pay it- If you don't move on- It isn't rocket science

Since to some it is Rocket Science:

M model
P photographer
D desire to work with
$ pay
> Greater than
< Less than
T TFP/CD
C client

MD < PD = M$
MD > PD = P$
MD = PD = T
CD = M$ P$

Model Sarah wrote:

You mean for all the wildlife you will be taking pictures with?


(according to Mr. Holiday)

my post was actually directed towards the new babes in particular, not anybody seasoned, but i didnt even get a chance to edit before the wolves took over, lol.

like i said, i'm out of this, i'm not an astute photog, lol, i was already told twice about posting if my work isnt stellar

Jeff Fiore wrote:
M model
P photographer
D desire to work with
$ pay
> Greater than
< Less than
T TFP/CD
C client

MD < PD = M$
MD > PD = P$
MD = PD = T
CD = M$ P$

Makes sense to me...

Sindia wrote:
Makes sense to me...

I just added an additional equation for paying clients.

Jeff Fiore wrote:
LOL, Nice comeback!

Yea, I've never seen a really good glamour or nude shot of a badger. Personally I'd rather stick to models....

http://www.worth1000.com/emailthis.asp?entry=198660

Brian Diaz wrote:
I'm inclined to consider someone contacting me with her or his rates as spam.  Spam is bad.

There are a few people here who I'd like to spam...who could become better photographers if they could hire me to teach them.. I know..I know... that would be a pretty low thing to do, and would surely ignite a fierce Gen. forum topic..    ...which is exactly why I'd do it.. 

  JP