Daniela V wrote:

Who said I didn't

Did you wear stiletto heels and kick him with them?!  That's always the most fun.

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
Or the model can just lie and say they had a bad experience even if she's only trying to retaliate because the photographer is willing to tell everyone who is willing to listen, about the sorry excuse she gave for not showing up to a shoot..

Isn't that calling the Kettle black... !!

Exactly- which is why calling out in the forums is not allowed, and difficult.

It gets tricky.

Mia Salen wrote:

Did you wear stiletto heels and kick him with them?!  That's always the most fun.

Rather not revisit that experience...tx.

Daniela V wrote:

Rather not revisit that experience...tx.

Eh sorry =/

Mia Salen wrote:

That's what the CAM feature is for.  Contact a mod and get the fake photographer or model deleted.

I'm still trying to figure out what a fake photographer is. Is that like air photography? Similar to air guitar but with a pretend camera? That should be very easy to spot right off the bat.

EMG STUDIOS wrote:
Most models lie about this bullsh!t, then run to boards and hope to get sympathy...... Or they even lie about their "so called" bad experiences with photographers.. Right Daniela?

It's hard to tell if a model is lying or not- same for stylists and photographers- that's why outing isn't allowed.

Mia Salen wrote:

Eh sorry =/

np

Daniela V wrote:
Well, I spoke to one of the models (Very very well known on this site, OMP, and around the industry in NYC), and told her what happened...that seems to have help the problem. That's how I believe word should get around. Not on a site like this.

Seems like you took the higher road.
I do the same with models. I don't whine about no-shows or awful models on the forums, but you should hear all the gossip slinging around the studio when a model is getting her m/u done, that's when all the juicy dirt comes out, lol.

Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out what a fake photographer is. Is that like air photography? Similar to air guitar but with a pretend camera? That should be very easy to spot right off the bat.

like air guitar!!! ROFLMAO!!!

Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out what a fake photographer is. Is that like air photography? Similar to air guitar but with a pretend camera? That should be very easy to spot right off the bat.

Generally, they're made out of polyester.

Eric S. wrote:
LOL!
My Happy Endings are when the model puts my shots in her port and they get 20 comments..  lol

Eric S. wrote:

Ahhh, you made it seem like you didn't tell a soul.
I do the same with models. I don't whine about no-shows or awful models on the forums, but you should hear all the gossip slinging around the studio when a model is getting her m/u done, that's when all the juicy dirt comes out, lol.

Sorry- I just meant I didn't come throwing names around on the forums and stuff-

LOL about when the model gets her mu done.....you should hear me and Sibyl

Daniela V wrote:
I just meant I didn't come throwing names around on the forums and stuff-

Yep, I think that creates a whole new set of problems.

Eric S. wrote:
"Photographers" who deceptively set up shoots in order to meet pretty girls and have no intention of producing and delivering usable images to the model in 30 days are tools, and use this site because they're too cheap to pay for escorts.

ImageConcepts wrote:
Pay for escorts? I don't mind if they bring someone...but hell...I'm not going to cover the cost if they bring their families with them.

hey Eric can I bring my boyfriend next time?

Daniela V wrote:
It's hard to tell if a model is lying or not- same for stylists and photographers- that's why outing isn't allowed.

It's very hard to tell when a model or photographer is lying.. good thing I keep detailed notes and emails... I guess working for a law firm keeps me abreast of what is really liable and slander.. I hope none of that is going around... We'll soon find out though... Nothing like a good civil lawsuit to usher in the new year...

=O

EMG STUDIOS wrote:

It's very hard to tell when a model or photographer is lying.. good thing I keep detailed notes and emails... I guess working for a law firm keeps me abreast of what is really liable and slander.. I hope none of that is going around... We'll soon find out though... Nothing like a good civil lawsuit to usher in the new year...

=O

good luck! Happy New Year!

Jessalyn wrote:
hey Eric can I bring my boyfriend next time?

Yeah, but Tell that pretty boy to stay out of my way.

Daniela V wrote:

Sorry- I just meant I didn't come throwing names around on the forums and stuff-

LOL about when the model gets her mu done.....you should hear me and Sibyl

Thank you for providing some sensible insight Daniela. Models flake and so do Photographers.

If everyone just agreed to terms up front and signed contracts, there would be far fewer issues rising up like this. Handshake agreements are for suckers.

Jessalyn wrote:

Eric S. wrote:
"Photographers" who deceptively set up shoots in order to meet pretty girls and have no intention of producing and delivering usable images to the model in 30 days are tools, and use this site because they're too cheap to pay for escorts.

hey Eric can I bring my boyfriend next time?

I was wrong to start that other page throwing his name out like that .....its been 4 months and I have not  done a thing of that sort nor even post comments on his page but I had just had enough and done it out of anger....
you are right word does get around fast but karma gets around alot more faster

Eric S. wrote:

LMAO.
Tell that pretty boy to stay out of my way.

I want to shoot with Jessalyn.

Yes. Yes I do.

EMG STUDIOS wrote:

It's very hard to tell when a model or photographer is lying.. good thing I keep detailed notes and emails... I guess working for a law firm keeps me abreast of what is really liable and slander.. I hope none of that is going around... We'll soon find out though... Nothing like a good civil lawsuit to usher in the new year...

=O

The word is libel, not liable.

Eric S. wrote:
LMAO.
Tell that pretty boy to stay out of my way.

lol you changed your post.

Marcos Rivera wrote:

Thank you for providing some sensible insight Daniela. Models flake and so do Photographers.

If everyone just agreed to terms up front and signed contracts, there would be far fewer issues rising up like this. Handshake agreements are for suckers.

you are right but unfortunately when a new model is starting out we sometimes tend to jump before thinking

Eric S. wrote:

Yeah, but Tell that pretty boy to stay out of my way.

nice edit eric

Marcos Rivera wrote:

Thank you for providing some sensible insight Daniela. Models flake and so do Photographers.

If everyone just agreed to terms up front and signed contracts, there would be far fewer issues rising up like this. Handshake agreements are for suckers.

and that's the way the cookie crumbles

ps- i emailed you back

Daniela V wrote:
nice edit eric

I didn't want to be mean. I don't like boyfriends at shoots, but for Jess, I'll make an exception..... She says her guy is shy and would probably sit outside in the car the whole time anyway.

Jessalyn wrote:
well Eric I'm not gonna lie, my b/f could probably kick your butt. he's got lots of muscles and rumor has it he's Samoan.

yeah Eric.. I heard he is big and full with tattoos *myth

Eric S. wrote:

I didn't want to be mean. I don't like boyfriends at shoots, but for Jess, I'll make an exception..... She says her guy is shy and would probably sit outside in the car the whole time anyway.

if I give him a bag of jelly beans he'll shut it.

Jessalyn wrote:
well Eric I'm not gonna lie, my b/f could probably kick your butt. he's got lots of muscles and rumor has it he's Samoan.

Just what I want at my shoot- A jealous ass-kicking Pacific Islander.

Eric S. wrote:

Just what I want at my shoot- A jealous ass-kicking Pacific Islander.

lol.

Eric S. wrote:

Just what I want at my shoot- A jealous ass-kicking Pacific Islander.

don't worry, he's a softie.

Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out what a fake photographer is. Is that like air photography? Similar to air guitar but with a pretend camera? That should be very easy to spot right off the bat.

Michael, I have seen my share of "fake" photographer profiles on ModelMayhem, OMP MySpace, Yahoo, etc.  ... there are hundreds of thousands of them! There are also just as many "fake" model profiles too!  I do my duty to report profiles that are obviously FAKE to the afministration of whichever website the profiles are on.  I even made a group called the "Fake Busters"  .... but sadly, I found that even if I were to work 24/7 8 days a week on reporting FAKES, the job would never get done.  One of my model friends (Jessica Marie Jones) had well over a dozen FAKES using her photos on MySpace alone! 

There are things that you can do to discourage FAKES ... watermarking your images for one!  Don't post higher resolution images online.  Using websites that verify the members also helps!  FAKES are a serious problem!

Kimberly R Walker wrote:
you are right but unfortunately when a new model is starting out we sometimes tend to jump before thinking

Do us all a favor and stop making this sort of broad, boilerplate generalization.  Just because a model is "new" dosen't mean they automatically don't know what they're doing or how to conduct themselves.  Statements like yours give tacit approval to clueless, unaccountable behavior on the part of models, making things easier for the [few] actual predators out there while making things much more complicated for legitimate photographers everywhere.

Statements like this are just another part of the problem.

Patrick Walberg wrote:
Hi Kimberly,  That's pretty good advise, but I'd like to change it around and present you with a revised;


(1)   Ask for references.  Be cautious.  This is the Internet and profiles can be easy to fake. This is also like job hunting and it's perfectly fine to ask for references. 

(2)  Be patient. Good things take time.  There is no such thing as over night success.  It takes hard work and planning to achieve success, and modeling is no exception.

(3)  Be curious.  Ask questions There are no stupid questions!   So as away!  Read the forums and study other websites.  Contact other people, because this is how you get your real world education.

(4)  Communicate!  Absolutely make sure you have exchanged information as to when, where, and phone numbers with whom you are working with.  Meet in advance if possible.  Communication eases fears.  Get to know the photographer enough to be comfortable. 

(5)  Communicate again!  If you are a model who feels more comfortable with an escort, ask if it's alright to have an escort.  Ask questions about what the photographer expects of you.  Never bring an escort without first asking the photographer if it is alright! 

(6)  Follow your intuition about things. If you are told you can't have an escort, but you want to bring one, then just move on to the next photographer.  ALSO communicate with your "escort" about his or her job as an escort!  If you feel comfortable enough to work with the photographer without an escort, then do so!   Escorting is a responsibility, therefore it's not being a spectator! 

(7)  Not all photographers who don't allow escorts are bad and not all photographers who allow escorts are good.  Develop your intuition.  Communicate, ask questions, and you'll learn!

thank you patrick actually thats some really great advice some I never thought of like meeting in person I have done that but it was the photographer who reccomended first good point

please see my other thread posted and post this please

https://modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=102322