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I'm closing this post because I've learned - me as a new model and to all the other models out there there is nothing we can do to warn other models of GWC's (guys with cameras) (guys who just want to get you naked and touch) and just basically bad people in general all we can do is just live and learn from our mistakes....new models ** GET REFERENCES ** DONT BE ALARMED IF NO ONE CONTACTS YOU RIGHT AWAY YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE OF WHO YOU ARE ON THE INSIDE AND THAT WILL SHINE ON THE OUTSIDE IN ANY IMAGE SO DONT GET DISCOURAGED AND SHOOT WITH JUST ANYONE WILLING TO SHOOT WITH YOU - YOUR TIME WILL COME ** READ THE FORUMS CONTACT MORE PROFFESIONAL MODELS ASK THEM WHAT TO DO ** DONT BE AFRAID ** TAKE YOUR TIME YOU MAY BE GETTING OLDER BUT YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO SAFE ** ESCORTS - DO BRING ONE ALONG for me personally I get along better with just me the camera and the photographer but maybe they can wait in another room or something just so you know you're safe IN THE END YOU HAVE TO BE SAFE so do whatever it takes love you all and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Dec 29 06 12:38 pm Link because how are the other members of MM to know that you aren't the one in the wrong? you could be bullshitting us and we wouldn't know. I'm not saying I don't believe you but there are 3 sides to every story, yours his and the truth. Dec 29 06 12:40 pm Link example: I have a photographer I worked with and he hadn't gotten my pictures to me after 3 months. come to find out that he just thought that since we lived in the same town that it was no big deal, that he thought he could just drop my CD off next time we shot together. would it have been fair to blast him in the forums? no. (ending to the story: he had ignored my emails to shoot again so I still don't have my pictures but that's besides the point. there was a misunderstanding) Dec 29 06 12:42 pm Link Jessalyn wrote: And the truth isn't a member of MM so we never hear his/her side. Dec 29 06 12:42 pm Link Jessalyn wrote: Good thought. Dec 29 06 12:42 pm Link I warned someone on a forum somewhere else and got deleted from there because I "had no proof". I think that for sake of everyones safety, people should be warned about fake models and fake photographers. I've worked with 2 unprofessional photographers, so I did not list that I've even worked with them. If a fellow model emails me about them, then I tell them the truth. I've also found several perverted models and photographers on here (this is the internet though) and I will never work with them.... but they seem well liked on this site so I think warning anyone is just a waste of time.... I wish I knew how to help you though.... I'm sorry that you had to go through a bad situation... you're not alone Dec 29 06 12:42 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: First of all, how can a photographer "make" you do pics you don't want to do? Unless they physically hold you down, which is a crime, they cannot make you do anything. You shouldn't allow anyone to cajole or otherwise pressure you into doing something you have qualms about. Dec 29 06 12:43 pm Link There used to be a site for noshow models. I wish someone would make a site designed to call out GWC's and shitty models. Like a BLACKLIST Dec 29 06 12:44 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: if a model has a bad experience he or she should put that member's number in their profile. same for photogs, stylists, etc. Dec 29 06 12:44 pm Link elisabeth eagle wrote: That's what the CAM feature is for. Contact a mod and get the fake photographer or model deleted. Dec 29 06 12:44 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: if you were forced to do anything against your will then you should call the local authorities, or at least report it to a moderator using the CAM form under Info. Dec 29 06 12:45 pm Link Mia Salen wrote: And guess what? thats why I left the first time... I contacted a mod here, then they had the nerve to get on the shout box, complain about my email and bash me... I had the proof from the emails, the IMs (which I blocked but somehow they would just come up with another screenname) it went on forever- it was 2 photographers and 2 models who did this on the yahoo messenger. But sometimes even telling mods doesn't help. I'm not meaning to argue- just stating what happened to me... and another fellow model. Dec 29 06 12:48 pm Link elisabeth eagle wrote: I'm sorry that happened to you but that still does not give anyone the right to blast another person on the forums. We don't know every side to the story. Dec 29 06 12:49 pm Link Trevor Snyder wrote: Never, huh? Damn, there go all those agency tests. Trevor Snyder wrote: Not so much. MM is quite protected by the law in this respect. MM is trying to establish a neutral place where such immaturity can be avoided (in favor of other kinds of immaturity, of course). Dec 29 06 12:49 pm Link There is an old saying about when people find bad things happening to them all the time, or having lots of failed relationships, or maybe even having every car they buy turn out to be lemon - When bad things keep happening to you, think on this...you are the only common demoninator in all these events. Just saying I know a lot of people who have things go wrong because of their own attitudes and perceptions. If you expect to be offended by something or have something bad happen...you probably will. Dec 29 06 12:50 pm Link Best thing to do is check references before you shoot with them. Not that hard to do and should be considered part of preparing for a shoot just like mirror practice. Dec 29 06 12:51 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: No. Most models want escorts because they are unprofessional and don't take this seriously. Dec 29 06 12:52 pm Link Jessalyn wrote: true which is why i kept quiet, except for telling the mods. I really thought this photographer would hurt or kill someone and they never did anything about it. He stole some of my pics, photoshopped them to where I was nude then emailed them to me, threatening me to either work with him or he'd post them online- I told him to go ahead I only wished I looked that good naked. The people I warned about someone was on another site- a model had asked about this certain photographer- I told her that he was fake, (several other people told her that too )they deleted me... Dec 29 06 12:52 pm Link you do have a ppoint of both sides to the story but for NEW models who does not know much we are trying to learn its only so much you can read I have proof.....and you are right NO ONE can make you do something but when you're shooting and you're new and you don't know everything and the photographer says well "try this" you trust him and you do Dec 29 06 12:52 pm Link Tandango Images wrote: I like coming up with new, ugly faces in the mirror. It's entertaining Dec 29 06 12:53 pm Link Jessalyn wrote: jessalyn I would love to show you my proof....I am not in the wrong only thing i ever did wrong was TRUST HIM Dec 29 06 12:53 pm Link Christopher Ambler wrote: Trevor Snyder wrote: Never, huh? Damn, there go all those agency tests. I wouldn't ever do a shoot without a signed contract. That's me. My rules. Other people are free to do whatever they want Dec 29 06 12:53 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: I have never desired to use an escort, and I never have used an escort. Dec 29 06 12:54 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: Then contact a mod with your proof. Dec 29 06 12:54 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: I'd like to introduce you to my friend, the comma. Dec 29 06 12:54 pm Link Jessalyn wrote: I agree in that it was a misunderstanding but my situation is a bit different all I ever aksed for was a date and then he said I got to the end of the priority list.....and then I thought ok well maybe it was me but when other models contact me with the same problem what am I to think Dec 29 06 12:55 pm Link Jessalyn wrote: I only use one when I'm too lazy to drive =/ Dec 29 06 12:55 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: like I said, I don't doubt that you are telling the truth. Dec 29 06 12:55 pm Link elisabeth eagle wrote: thank you for understanding elisabeth Dec 29 06 12:56 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: The word "trust" is thrown around wayyyy too much. I see photogs all the time scream "if you don't trust me, then don't work with me"...and models that say "if you don't trust that I won't flake, then don't work with me". Dec 29 06 12:56 pm Link Mia Salen wrote: I don't have to try Dec 29 06 12:56 pm Link **rolls eyes and sucks teeth** Dec 29 06 12:56 pm Link Jessalyn wrote: youare right its just hard for a new model when we don't know anything and put our trust in a photographer and then get blasted like this you know its just plain wrong trust is a hard thing to come by Dec 29 06 12:57 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: yw... also remember that there are hundreds of real, great, professional photographers on here. Although if you live anywhere like I do, you have to travel for them Dec 29 06 12:57 pm Link because who are YOU to decide in a blanket statement that a photographer is bad. maybe YOU had a bad experience, but it is quite possible others had good experiences. If everyone who had a bad experience with someone told everyone else in the wolrd, there would be NO restaurants in business, NO stores around, NO schools. Not everyone will be happy with a service someone provides. that is an issue that is to be dealt with among two adults. If the person who wronged you is the owner of an incorporated business you can contact the better business bureau. Model mayhem is not the place for personal stories of woe with individual models and photographers. and what are you doing working with GWC's anyways? you have a nice look. if you want a career out of this, hire a real professional. Dec 29 06 12:59 pm Link Daniela V wrote: Dec 29 06 12:59 pm Link "Photographers" who deceptively set up shoots in order to meet pretty girls and have no intention of producing and delivering usable images to the model in 30 days are tools, and use this site because they're too cheap to pay for escorts. Dec 29 06 12:59 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: you will find little to zero sympathy for you...just fair warning. Dec 29 06 01:00 pm Link Mia Salen wrote: I have I am waiting on their reply Dec 29 06 01:00 pm Link Kimberly R Walker wrote: The principles that apply to any relationship between a model and a photographer also apply to any relationship between any two or more human beings. You don't have to walk around jaded and paranoid to develop a good sense of self-defense. Always assume the people around you have bad intentions until you've established otherwise. Dec 29 06 01:00 pm Link |