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Model
Tiara Lestari
Posts: 11436
Jhanaydāh, Jhanaydāh, Bangladesh
Ransom J wrote:
Nuh uuhhhhhh. Ass crack is A-OK. lol at ass crack!
Model
Jessalyn
Posts: 21433
Denver, Colorado, US
Ransom J wrote:
Nuh uuhhhhhh. Ass crack is A-OK. your avatar shows up right now in the forums as "This Avatar Has Been Flagged 18+"
doesn't make sense to me. I can screen shot it and email it to you if you like. Check your port, did they flag it?
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Jessalyn wrote:
your avatar shows up right now in the forums as "This Avatar Has Been Flagged 18+"
doesn't make sense to me. I can screen shot it and email it to you if you like. Check your port, did they flag it? OK I seen it yet there is nothing but ass crack in the shot
Both genders:
* Bare asses are acceptable as NON 18+, and may be used as avatars.
Soooooooooooooooo what's the problem?
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Ransom J wrote:
OK I seen it yet there is nothing but ass crack in the shot
Both genders:
* Bare asses are acceptable as NON 18+, and may be used as avatars.
Soooooooooooooooo what's the problem? Maybe there's a new regulation on heiney crack size?
Hrm. I don't see the problem with it. I have one, you have one. We all have ass cracks.
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Mia Salen wrote:
Maybe there's a new regulation on heiney crack size?
Hrm. I don't see the problem with it. I have one, you have one. We all have ass cracks. There is no new regulation. This is bullshit.
Photographer
Kas_
Posts: 11110
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada
Daniela V wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to my friend, the comma. Hi comma, I'm Nick. Will you be my friend?
As for outing threads they're against the rules plain and simple. That is why they aren't alowed. As for your problem, contact the photographer, did you sign a contract outlining each parties responsibilities? If not you are just going on a good faith agreement and there isn't a lot you can do.
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Ransom J wrote:
And the truth isn't a member of MM so we never hear his/her side. Christopher Hartman wrote:
Yes I am!
Click my avatar or look up mm # 15573 Dude, sorry, I've MET "The Truth" and I doubt you're him
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Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Kasmia wrote:
Hi comma, I'm Nick. Will you be my friend?
As for outing threads they're against the rules plain and simple. That is why they aren't alowed. As for your problem, contact the photographer, did you sign a contract outlining each parties responsibilities? If not you are just going on a good faith agreement and there isn't a lot you can do. no I never signed anything it was all in good faith (the trust issue again) but it makes no sense going on about it all I can say is what goes around comes around I am a firm believer in that .....I've begged and cried enough about this I just honeslty wished it would not happen to any other girl out there
kim
Photographer
Kas_
Posts: 11110
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada
SLE Photography wrote:
Ransom J wrote:
And the truth isn't a member of MM so we never hear his/her side. Dude, sorry, I've MET "The Truth" and I doubt you're him Maybe Ciera19 superstar rapper boyfriend/pimp/husband LaTruth and his official myspace page?
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Kasmia wrote:
Maybe Ciera19 superstar rapper boyfriend/pimp/husband LaTruth and his official myspace page? BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Ok, you made me laugh 
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Kasmia wrote:
Maybe Ciera19 superstar rapper boyfriend/pimp/husband LaTruth and his official myspace page? hahaha you remember that?
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kasmia wrote:
Maybe Ciera19 superstar rapper boyfriend/pimp/husband LaTruth and his official myspace page? awesome.
Photographer
Kas_
Posts: 11110
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada
Mia Salen wrote:
hahaha you remember that? It's engrained in my mind when I opened it and couldnt stop laughing for half an hour lol
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
no I never signed anything it was all in good faith (the trust issue again) but it makes no sense going on about it all I can say is what goes around comes around I am a firm believer in that .....I've begged and cried enough about this I just honeslty wished it would not happen to any other girl out there
kim the train is moving on.
are you getting on board?
Photographer
Kas_
Posts: 11110
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada
SLE Photography wrote:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Ok, you made me laugh See, I'm not so bad 
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Daniela V wrote:
the train is moving on.
are you getting on board? Without her friend comma =/
He's sad.
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Kasmia wrote:
It's engrained in my mind when I opened it and couldnt stop laughing for half an hour lol He's a few steps below Tila Tequila when it comes to music. And that almost makes me cry. Except I laughed instead.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Mia Salen wrote:
Without her friend comma =/
He's sad. Yeah. I noticed she left him behind.
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Daniela V wrote:
the train is moving on.
are you getting on board? absolutely daniela absolutel.....now i"m lost what's this about the butt crack.....lol
Photographer
Searcher
Posts: 775
New York, New York, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
it's not fair........there are GWC's and photographers that just want to meet with you take your pic make you do pics that you dont' want to then keep the images for themselves and never hold up their end of the bargin.....this is why most models want escorts it makes it really bad for the good photographers who are out there.....
why can't they be warned in forums
as you can probably tell this has happened to me Because it would turn into a mud fight. When you post something here, there isn't much of an opportunity to verify what you're saying. If they allow you to say "the truth" about the photographer, the mods would have to allow the photographer to respond, and that would get really ugly really fast.
People have talking about this here for a while.
If you want to create a blacklist, you'll have to do it on another site that would be members-only for a small group of professionals who would try to be impartial. They keep a tab on the number of complaints about a particular artist, and then you would have to ask how many complaints they have gotten. Sort of a blind box to be safe legally from libel suits.
Photographer
Studio 76 Photo
Posts: 1331
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
OK I have to ask.. how about warning the models about perves that jkust want to get you naked and touch you.. I know of one and alot of models have complain about him I think he has a couple lawsuits pending but he continues to get the rookies...
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
yes that is understandable.......but you know I"m learning...and so is every aspiring model out there we all make mistakes we have to learn from them.....you all gave some very interesting points that I had not thought of......thank you ......
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Studio 76 Photo wrote:
OK I have to ask.. how about warning the models about perves that jkust want to get you naked and touch you.. I know of one and alot of models have complain about him I think he has a couple lawsuits pending but he continues to get the rookies... I dont' think there's nothing anyone can do but like others said just get references..
the hard thing is when you're just starting out no one wants to photograph you you don't know what to do so the first time someone contacts you you're ready to go "the rookies" have some learnign to do..... I know I do
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Studio 76 Photo wrote:
OK I have to ask.. how about warning the models about perves that jkust want to get you naked and touch you.. I know of one and alot of models have complain about him I think he has a couple lawsuits pending but he continues to get the rookies... omg- COME ON ALREADY.
Word gets around.
Frankly, I was assalted by a photographer- with extremely strong references. EXTREMELY.
I have not once called him out.
But the list of models he works with has gotten significantly shorter.
and ps- I still don't bring an escort.
Photographer
ImageConcepts
Posts: 447
San Francisco, California, US
Eric S. wrote:
"Photographers" who deceptively set up shoots in order to meet pretty girls and have no intention of producing and delivering usable images to the model in 30 days are tools, and use this site because they're too cheap to pay for escorts. Pay for escorts? I don't mind if they bring someone...but hell...I'm not going to cover the cost if they bring their families with them.
Photographer
500 Gigs of Desire
Posts: 3833
New York, New York, US
Daniela V wrote:
I have not once called him out. Bad behavior, gone unchecked, gets worse over time. Like drug use, wife-beating, gambling, etc.
What if the guy you speak of ended up really hurting someone ?
(I admire your kind & gentle way, I'm just playing Devil's advocate)
ps: I don't know what the solution is because I believe that "Witch Hunt" Mentality often punishes the innocent as well.
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
ImageConcepts wrote:
Pay for escorts? I don't mind if they bring someone...but hell...I'm not going to cover the cost if they bring their families with them. I thinks he means the kind of escorts that give you a happy ending.
Photographer
500 Gigs of Desire
Posts: 3833
New York, New York, US
LOL!
My Happy Endings are when the model puts my shots in her port and they get 20 comments.. lol
Photographer
ImageConcepts
Posts: 447
San Francisco, California, US
Eric S. wrote:
Bad behavior, gone unchecked, gets worse over time. Like drug use, wife-beating, gambling, etc.
What if the guy you speak of ended up really hurting someone ? Yes! Speak up...who is this guy!
By the way, I don't mind if you bring Mike Tyson to the shoot as long as he can hold a reflector. It's hard enough to setup everything outdoors by yourself with model just standing and doing nothing to help.
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Daniela V wrote:
omg- COME ON ALREADY.
Word gets around.
Frankly, I was assalted by a photographer- with extremely strong references. EXTREMELY.
I have not once called him out.
But the list of models he works with has gotten significantly shorter.
and ps- I still don't bring an escort. I would have called the cops on him. And not the MM ones in the forums
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Eric S. wrote:
LOL!
My Happy Endings are when the model puts my shots in her port and they get 20 comments.. lol My camera phone picture got the most comments I've ever gotten in a 1 minute span.
hahaha.
Photographer
Larry Brown Camera
Posts: 1081
Atlantic Beach, Florida, US
Kimberly... Hickory NC and Atlantic Beach are about 4 hours or so apart.
If you would like to have a wonderful experience with a (real) Professional Photographer let me know. I am sorry you may have had a negative experience with one claming to be a photographer..... We (professionals) are out here, and I will show you how to find them even if we can't make arrangements.
Member of the PP of NC for over 20 years!
(Professional Photographers of N.C. Inc.)
larry
Photographer
500 Gigs of Desire
Posts: 3833
New York, New York, US
ImageConcepts wrote:
By the way, I don't mind if you bring Mike Tyson to the shoot as long as he can hold a reflector. It's hard enough to setup everything outdoors by yourself with model just standing and doing nothing to help. Mike would be good to hold booms in the air for up to an hour at a time without needing a break, as well as holding those big 8x8 scrims in high wind. LOL.
Photographer
EMG STUDIOS
Posts: 2033
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Daniela V wrote:
if a model has a bad experience he or she should put that member's number in their profile. same for photogs, stylists, etc.
However- you stating "and make you do pics that you don't want".....did the GWC hold a gun to your head?
Practice the word NO. Make communication clear before you shoot. Do your homework.
Don't call someone out on the forums or make a big deal of it. You'll only look foolish. I, personally, do not work with anyone that publicly calls someone out in a rude fashion...they only look bitter...not something I want to ever work with.
Look at someone's port- you should be able to tell if they flake or whatnot. Or the model can just lie and say they had a bad experience even if she's only trying to retaliate because the photographer is willing to tell everyone who is willing to listen, about the sorry excuse she gave for not showing up to a shoot..
Isn't that calling the Kettle black... !!
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Larry Brown Camera wrote:
Kimberly... Hickory NC and Atlantic Beach are about 4 hours or so apart.
If you would like to have a wonderful experience with a (real) Professional Photographer let me know. I am sorry you may have had a negative experience with one claming to be a photographer..... We (professionals) are out here, and I will show you how to find them even if we can't make arrangements.
Member of the PP of NC for over 20 years!
(Professional Photographers of N.C. Inc.)
larry wow is there such a thing?
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
SLE Photography wrote:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Ok, you made me laugh Kasmia wrote:
See, I'm not so bad No, you're just wrong about escorts & assosciate with jerks
But there WAS a thread a few weeks ago where you & I actually AGREED on something...unfortunately right after I said so a mod locked the thread LOL
Photographer
SayCheeZ!
Posts: 20647
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I have an interesting case where I photographed 3 models at the same time.
In my case it's easy to get 3 different opinions of me. One model can easily say "his work is good and he got the images to me fast", the other can say "I only received a few of the images", and the third can say "he never gave me any of my images"... and none of 'em would be wrong!
Y'see I went waaaaay out of my way to get images color corrected, proofs printed (about 1400 photos total), and CD/DVDs burned and PROPERLY labeled. I made it a special point to get the photos done in a reasonable amount of time, and when my computer crashed I went out and spent a grand on another computer mainly so I could complete the project quickly.
One of the models received the contents and sent me a message stating how much she appreciated the photos, and gave me a slew of really nice compliments about my abilities, quality, and energy that I put into my work. (she isn't a member of MM).
Another of the models was in no hurry to receive the CD / DVD / proofs because she already received most of the photos online or via different methods, and is content in using what she already has. From her I received a 'thank you', and that's about it.
The third model knows that her set of images are ready... she replied to an e-mail that I sent notifying her of that... but she never told me how to get them to her.
I'll get them to her, I have no use for the photos... but the point is that I already invested alot of time and effort to get the photos to her in a reasonable amount of time. If she's not interested in getting the photos quickly, I'm definately not going to put the delivery of photos on my list of priorities.
So, I'm sure that you can see that there definately is more than one side to a story, and while it's very important to let everyone know about people that will 'do wrong', there's also a fine line between accurate portrayals and one sided stories.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Eric S. wrote:
Bad behavior, gone unchecked, gets worse over time. Like drug use, wife-beating, gambling, etc.
What if the guy you speak of ended up really hurting someone ?
(I admire your kind & gentle way, I'm just playing Devil's advocate)
ps: I don't know what the solution is because I believe that "Witch Hunt" Mentality often punishes the innocent as well. Well, I spoke to one of the models (Very very well known on this site, OMP, and around the industry in NYC), and told her what happened...that seems to have help the problem. That's how I believe word should get around. Not on a site like this.
However, you're right. This stuff shouldn't go unchecked...
And I love how you called me kind and gentle...that's like, the first time ever...and will probably be the last lol.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Mia Salen wrote:
I would have called the cops on him. Who said I didn't
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