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Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
it's not fair........there are GWC's and photographers that just want to meet with you take your pic make you do pics that you dont' want to then keep the images for themselves and never hold up their end of the bargin.....this is why most models want escorts it makes it really bad for the good photographers who are out there.....
why can't they be warned in forums
as you can probably tell this has happened to me You don't need forums. Ask the photographer for references and contact those references. Or don't ask but instead look at their photos, see who they have worked with, contact those people and ask questions.
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Daniela V wrote:
you will find little to zero sympathy for you...just fair warning.
If you don't know anything, maybe you should start learning.... I am not asking for anyone's sympathy just a way to warn other models
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Trevor Snyder wrote:
The principles that apply to any relationship between a model and a photographer also apply to any relationship between any two or more human beings. You don't have to walk around jaded and paranoid to develop a good sense of self-defense. Always assume the people around you have bad intentions until you've established otherwise.
As you get older you will (hopefully) develop a better sense of spot judging the people you meet so you don't have to waste as much time determining what their intentions are. But if you're doing anything that is important to you, always protect yourself legally and financially before you enter into a new relationship. thank you I am learnign this now
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
Ransom J wrote:
And the truth isn't a member of MM so we never hear his/her side. Yes I am!
Click my avatar or look up mm # 15573
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
I am not asking for anyone's sympathy just a way to warn other models word gets around.
don't sweat the small stuff.
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
I have I am waiting on their reply Then you've done the right thing.
What exactly is the problem with the photographer? I couldn't really understand when you explained it to Jessalyn.
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
elisabeth eagle wrote:
yw... also remember that there are hundreds of real, great, professional photographers on here. Although if you live anywhere like I do, you have to travel for them  yes I do have to travel and each photographer I"v worked with thus far has been amazing cept this one.....why can't they hold up their end of the bargin you know....what's the deal
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
yes I do have to travel and each photographer I"v worked with thus far has been amazing cept this one.....why can't they hold up their end of the bargin you know....what's the deal because there are some bad apples.
if you let yourself get stressed over this, you aren't going to be successful or happy.
Model
Jessalyn
Posts: 21433
Denver, Colorado, US
Mia Salen wrote:
Then you've done the right thing.
What exactly is the problem with the photographer? I couldn't really understand when you explained it to Jessalyn. I know the story because she started a thread in Model Matters explaining it and then it got locked and made invisible.
Photographer
Mark Reese Photography
Posts: 21622
Brandon, Florida, US
The next tme you want to 'call out' a photographer or model on the forums remember that it's kind of like mud wrestling with a pig, You get muddy and the 'pig' has fun at your expense.
Edit: that means that when 'calling out' someone it's quite likely that the one doing the 'calling out' will look foolish while the other person just gets to enjoy the 'publicity'.
Photographer
A Traveler
Posts: 5506
San Francisco, California, US
Daniela V wrote:
you will find little to zero sympathy for you...just fair warning.
If you don't know anything, maybe you should start learning.... agreed. it amazes me that people would try and start a career without any knowledge of what they will be doing.
would anyone decide to become a lawyer with no knowledge of the law, or a cowboy with no knowledge of cows? for some reason modeling seems to be a profession many people feel that they are exempt from needing to know anything about it!?
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Couture Imagery wrote:
would anyone decide to become a lawyer with no knowledge of the law, or a cowboy with no knowledge of cows? or football.
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Eric S. wrote:
"Photographers" who deceptively set up shoots in order to meet pretty girls and have no intention of producing and delivering usable images to the model in 30 days are tools, and use this site because they're too cheap to pay for escorts. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU......it's just sad that there is no way to warn models about them
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Mia Salen wrote:
or football. ROFLMAO!!!!!
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Daniela V wrote:
because there are some bad apples.
if you let yourself get stressed over this, you aren't going to be successful or happy. you are right daniela I just hate to see this happen to someone else
this is what gives the industry such a bad name
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Jessalyn wrote:
I know the story because she started a thread in Model Matters explaining it and then it got locked and made invisible. oh aiite.
I wish I could read invisible things. It would be one step closer towards my dream of developing the ability to become invisible and get free plane trips.
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Jessalyn wrote:
I know the story because she started a thread in Model Matters explaining it and then it got locked and made invisible. should I post the whole story? just without a name there is alot more to it
Model
Jessalyn
Posts: 21433
Denver, Colorado, US
Mia Salen wrote:
oh aiite.
I wish I could read invisible things. It would be one step closer towards my dream of developing the ability to become invisible and get free plane trips. lolz
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU......it's just sad that there is no way to warn models about them I'm pretty sure I'm typing in English....yes, yes I am.
Word gets around. And word will get around that you're on here whining, flat out admitting you aren't educated about modeling and you're new...and it won't make you look good.
Model
Jessalyn
Posts: 21433
Denver, Colorado, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
should I post the whole story? just without a name there is alot more to it you can repost the story if you want, with no names or MM numbers, but the purpose of your thread was to ask WHY you couldn't blast them. by posting the story you are turning the thread a whole different direction.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
you are right daniela I just hate to see this happen to someone else No you don't.
You just hate the fact that you can't call the person out. It has nothing to do with warning others.
It rarely does.
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Couture Imagery wrote:
agreed. it amazes me that people would try and start a career without any knowledge of what they will be doing.
would anyone decide to become a lawyer with no knowledge of the law, or a cowboy with no knowledge of cows? for some reason modeling seems to be a profession many people feel that they are exempt from needing to know anything about it!? I am learning.......when I shot with him I had only shot with just a couple other photographers.....and everyone makes mistakes its what makes us a better person as long as we can learn from them
Photographer
Ed the Healer
Posts: 2384
Addison, Alabama, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
thank you I am learnign this now Their work should indicate what kind of person they are. If you don't like their work, don't work with them.
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
You get what you pay for.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Couture Imagery wrote:
for some reason modeling seems to be a profession many people feel that they are exempt from needing to know anything about it!? Because someone told them that they should always be a model.
And they think it's easy.
Photographer
Jim Ball
Posts: 17632
Frontenac, Kansas, US
To the OP: MM's rules are a two way street. Photographers cannot "out" flakey or bad models either. A fellow photographer & I booked 7 models for a photoshoot in August. one showed.... We repeated the shoot in October - same scenario, but two showed. There are literally hundreds of such stories (it's a cliche, actually) by photographers on MM, but we cannot name names in the forums.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Ransom J wrote:
You get what you pay for. that's a fun new avi.
Model
Jessalyn
Posts: 21433
Denver, Colorado, US
Jim Ball wrote:
To the OP: MM's rules are a two way street. Photographers cannot "out" flakey or bad models either. A fellow photographer & I booked 7 models for a photoshoot in August. one showed.... We repeated the shoot in October - same scenario, but two showed. There are literally hundreds of such stories (it's a cliche, actually) by photographers on MM, but we cannot name names in the forums. I showed, I showed! lol
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Daniela V wrote:
No you don't.
You just hate the fact that you can't call the person out. It has nothing to do with warning others.
It rarely does. When was the last time I told you I loved you?
Don't make me get all GWC up in this bitch!
Digital Artist
uysdf
Posts: 2934
Hickory, Mississippi, US
Jessalyn wrote:
you can repost the story if you want, with no names or MM numbers, but the purpose of your thread was to ask WHY you couldn't blast them. by posting the story you are turning the thread a whole different direction. that's why I didn't in the original
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Daniela V wrote:
that's a fun new avi. Isn't it wonderful?
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Ransom J wrote:
Isn't it wonderful? I love her "i'll bench press you mutha f&&ker" look.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Jessalyn wrote:
I showed, I showed! lol I wasn't asked.
LIKE. WHATEVER!!!
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Daniela V wrote:
I love her "i'll bench press you mutha f&&ker" look. Yeah and I love the two medicine balls she's smuggling right below her back.
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
.....this is why most models want escorts ..... Daniela V wrote:
No. Most models want escorts because they are unprofessional and don't take this seriously.
You need a bodyguard? Hire a stylist for your shoots. I
Model
Jessalyn
Posts: 21433
Denver, Colorado, US
Ransom J wrote:
Yeah and I love the two medicine balls she's smuggling right below her back. ouch, got flagged 18+
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
SLE Photography wrote:
Kimberly R Walker wrote:
.....this is why most models want escorts ..... I
Model
Mia Mali
Posts: 1638
Los Angeles, California, US
Daniela V wrote:
I love her "i'll bench press you mutha f&&ker" look. and her heiney.
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Jessalyn wrote:
ouch, got flagged 18+ Nuh uuhhhhhh. Ass crack is A-OK.
Photographer
Tandango
Posts: 315
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Question for the OP... Have you ever been misunderstood? Has anyone ever misinterpreted something you said? Have you ever been late to a shoot, missed a shoot or had to cancel a shoot?
How would you take it if you were flamed in a thread for any of these? Would that be fair? After all, it is their interpretation of what happened. Sometimes when you get what you wish for, it doesn't always turn out the way you wanted.
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