Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
I can never get those awesome photographers to work with me. They just wont give me the time of day, am I doing something wrong with my looks or poses, what is it?

From your portfolio it looks like you’ve worked with one photographer only. Maybe not your fault, but if you could increase the diversity it would help broaden the market you appeal to.

From your Bio, I would step away from you based on the SG comment. Although I shoot some Alt, I do not want to be related to the SG style stigma.

For you, I see you’re ambitious with goals for your own site, which I really like, but that also takes some time and artistic efforts, which could cut into your modeling talents. (I know, damned if you do, damned if you don’t).

I say continue to knock on doors of the photographers who’s style you like and wish to collaborate with and continue to make yourself as available as you can to anyone in the industry.

If you were to get to Seattle, WA. I would shoot you because I like your looks and your “go get em” attitude plus I think your images would compliment my portfolio.

Best wishes,
Craig

AdamtheJohnson wrote:
I contacted you about doing some nudes several months ago, and you were nothing shortof rude.

Apparently, the nudes you did, you no longer did, and now you do again.

you look great
but theres only one LOOK on there so far

also your profile reads rude
young
casual
self absorbed
and you say you are getting tatoos but dont like SG...theres quiet a bit about what you dont like

im just saying that, since you asked, that might have out some top photographers off

maybe write what you ARE looking for
and say you are looking for trade or TFP rather than
I DONT EVER PAY PHOTOGRAPHERS etc
you are 18 - start off on a more positive foot
the idea that you ''dont ever'' isnt even realistic
and the fact that you 'havent so far' is refected in the portfolio

look forward to seeing the new page new profile and great stuff with all the people on this thread!

AdamtheJohnson wrote:
I contacted you about doing some nudes several months ago, and you were nothing shortof rude.

Apparently, the nudes you did, you no longer did, and now you do again.

Mods: This is not sniping, but relevant to her not getting many offers for work.

OP: Before you removed your account that was "Cyberella" you posted a few threads here on MM that rubbed both models and photographers the wrong way. You were rude and obnoxious. Word gets around and people talk. This could very likely have something to do with the lack of offers.
Your profile could be putting people off as well. If you don't want to pay photographers that is your prerogative, but it is not necessary for you to post it on your profile. If you insist on keeping it , perhaps you should word it better. Example:
I'm sorry, I'm only interested in TFP at this time.

Let me repeat - I don't have any conflict, beef, or personal vendetta with this model. I'm just making an observation.

Envy wrote:

Mods: This is not sniping, but relevant to her not getting many offers for work.

OP: Before you removed your account that was "Cyberella" you posted a few threads here on MM that rubbed both models and photographers the wrong way. You were rude and obnoxious. Word gets around and people talk. This could very likely have something to do with the lack of offers.
Your profile could be putting people off as well. If you don't want to pay photographers that is your prerogative, but it is not necessary for you to post it on your profile. If you insist on keeping it , perhaps you should word it better. Example:
I'm sorry, I'm only interested in TFP at this time.

Let me repeat - I don't have any conflict, beef, or personal vendetta with this model. I'm just making an observation.

and I know that Envy speaks the truth here for I remember those particular threads...most likely some bridges need to be rebuilt here for you to get the shoots you desire.

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
I can never get those awesome photographers to work with me. They just wont give me the time of day, am I doing something wrong with my looks or poses, what is it?

I don't see anything wrong with your looks.  I have worked alot with new models...and ones with tattoos.  I think they are cool!  If you ever make a trip to Washington, I would love to work with you!

Samantha Grace wrote:
It's all about location. I am sure if travel you would be busy.

Traveling certainly helps. But there is a large alt market in Texas.

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
I can never get those awesome photographers to work with me. They just wont give me the time of day, am I doing something wrong with my looks or poses, what is it?

Oh the horror… I can barely look at you.  There is (click) no way (click) I would ever photograph you (click, click).  Your  breasts are just hideous (click, click, click, click).

Location is everthing.

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
I can never get those awesome photographers to work with me. They just wont give me the time of day, am I doing something wrong with my looks or poses, what is it?

What do you offer besides being attractive?  This is not me being mean or facetious, but you have to think about this realistically.


Sure, you've very attractive.  And?  So are a ton of other models, so now what?  What separates you from any other attractive model who wants to shoot with awesome photographers? 

When you want something that isn't being given to you, then you buy it.  Want to work with awesome photographers?  Cough up some green and you'll have awesome photographers coming to you.  Invest in what you do.  If you want to work with a photographer as bad as you want anything else you pay for then hire one.  Simple as that...

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
I can never get those awesome photographers to work with me. They just wont give me the time of day, am I doing something wrong with my looks or poses, what is it?

Well, if I were in Texas, I'd shoot with you, although I could hardly be considered an "awesome photographer".

lotusphoto wrote:
I do not and will not ever pay for a photographer so don't tell me your rates. I don't care.

you need to reword this


something like

'i am a struggling student, no matter how good you are as a photographer, i can't pay anything..., however i am going to school to be a cosmotologist, someday i will be the best mua in texas..'

I just did.

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
Reason number 2. I do not do any sg type sites because look what sg is doing, selling their girls pictures to hardcore sites and changing the names, well what exactly do you think the other sites will do in 10 years when they run out of money hmm? yeah lol thats right.
Yeah I know my location sucks haha but when i have the money I will travel. Shit if i could move to cali and afford it i would but can't haha so this is where im left

Didnt you just say that you WOULD do godsgirls, though?? This is the kind of thing photogs find incredibly frustratiing, and annoying,.

AdamtheJohnson wrote:

Didnt you just say that you WOULD do godsgirls, though?? This is the kind of thing photogs find incredibly frustratiing, and annoying,.

well i know the owners but yeah i removed that too

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
why would i go around paying photographers then when the good ones in other states who will shoot for free are just a flight away.

Why would you pay to fly to some good tfp photographer when you can pay an awesome to shoot you?

Jay Bowman wrote:
Why would you pay to fly to some good tfp photographer when you can pay an awesome to shoot you?

why pay to shoot with one when i can buy a plane ticket and shoot with 4 or 5 who are good too 
I mean go look through here all the bad asses who go if you lived closer lol so im just gunna travel to them instead of paying one person thats here.

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
why pay to shoot with one when i can buy a plane ticket and shoot with 4 or 5 who are good too

This rhetorical question would make perfect sense if not for the entire premise of this thread!



You have a bunch of photographers right here on this thread saying that they'll shoot you for free.  Good for you.  Happy now?  But the fact remains that you can hypothically say "Hey I can fly to east boondocks and shoot with a bunch of people!" but where are you going to get the money?  You can pay one awesome photographer to shoot a few looks of you and all of a sudden you have the beginnings of an awesome portfolio.

But that would make too much sense.  God forbid you should ever spend your money on a photographer... despite the fact that you'll spend money just to keep from paying one!!  Money that you previously claimed to not have, I'll point out.

I don't understand this ridiculous aversion to paying creative team members.  You want awesome photographers to work with you.  They won't.  So you whine and ask if you're ugly or something (when you know full well you aren't).  And then you say you spend money you don't have to avoid paying a photographer? 



This reminds me of the people I knew in college who spent more time and energy trying to cheat on tests than it actually took to study and pass legitimately...

Ransom J wrote:
Also here's a clue for you Shanna.  I have nothing against you and think your tat rocks ass, but while you're doing all this TFP with BAD ASS photographers that you aren't paying you might want to ponder a few things:

According to your profile you plan on making a site of your own one day.  One that presumably you'd be using said photos from said bad ass tfp photographers as a means for stockpiling content. Conversely you say you don't want to do SG sites or sites like it because they sell the rights to the images to porn sites and the like.

Welp honestly, if you are shooting nudes, for site content, what shooter would do it for FREE if he had no plans on recouping his investment at a later date?  Either through his own site or through selling content.  Because frankly website content pics are VERY rarely portfolio worthy and VERY few nudes are portfolio worthy either as they have little commercial value unless we are speaking of the fine art and art nude market to which paysite content 99 percent of the time does NOT fall into.

So if you ARE shooting TFP and you CAN find photographers that will sign away their rights to make a commercial profit on the images while allowing you rights TO make a commercial profit on the images then good on you, but i seriously doubt you'll find that....at least in masse.

Now when PAYING a photographer, you have some leverage on what you can ask him to do or not do with the photos as you ARE paying for them.  The amount of restriction on the photographers part will most likely drive the price higher, but for someone trying to start  site, it's a good investment if you're trying to keep your content exclusive.

thats why im picky about who shoots me nude. because I do check references

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:

thats why im picky about who shoots me nude. because I do check references

How is checking references going to help that?

Are you SERIOUSLY looking for photographer that will shoot your website content for free and then do NOTHING with the pics? 

You really think you'll find an abundance of that, at least those that AREN'T GWC's?

Ransom J wrote:

How is checking references going to help that?

Are you SERIOUSLY looking for photographer that will shoot your website content for free and then do NOTHING with the pics? 

You really think you'll find an abundance of that, at least those that AREN'T GWC's?

idk i've shot with 2 people lots of nudes, lots of hot ones. and they never did shit with them
its the idea of finding someone respectable. DUH

so anyway, im jumping out of this forum now, its gotten ridiculous and way off topic. so you guys have fun

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
I just feel better owning my site and content.

Which is why you should PAY a good shooter in your area.  Isn't Lithium Picnic in your area?  he's phenomenal and the images would be worth every penny.

FYI, unless you just happen to have a run of retarded photographers, you'll never OWN your site content doing it TFP.

Ransom J wrote:

Which is why you should PAY a good shooter in your area.  Isn't Lithium Picnic in your area?  he's phenomenal and the images would be worth every penny.

FYI, unless you just happen to have a run of retarded photographers, you'll never OWN your site content doing it TFP.

yes he is and he is amazing. he does girls content and i think its free haha. we just havnt been able to get to each other. but yeah i will work with him one day

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
thats why im picky about who shoots me nude. because I do check references

Huh?  You should be checking refs on anyone you do a shoot with, not just photographers you take your clothes off for. 

And remember the first rule of Marketing, Location, Location, Location.

If you are ever in Vegas, give me a call however don’t expect me to sign my copyright away to you, never happen.

Miss Shanna Banana wrote:
I just feel better owning my site and content.

There is nothing inherently wrong with this.


But, you have to understand the nature of how photographers make money.  To say photographers earn money shooting pictures is missing the point slightly.  Most earn money selling usage rights.  A not so subtle difference.  If you plan on using some photos a photographer shoots to earn a profit, expect to pay for usage, too.  You don't get something for nothing. 

And seeing you naked during the shoot is not the equivalent of the paying for a photographers services.

And unless you're independantly wealthy, you aren't going to own the copyright either.


Or perhaps you will find someone naive enough to sign away all rights to you and you get him/her to shoot you for free and never make any profit off of it.

Good luck with that...