Click Hamilton wrote:
We all have off site backups, right?

None of us have disgusting, dirty pictures on our computers, do we?

Can i keep my disgusting dirty pictures at your house?  I have one of a mod that i think big brother wants.

UnoMundo Photography wrote:
How come NO ONE molest Stylists ?

Go ask that in the Stylist Forum, We'll see how long you live.

Frog516 wrote:

How do you know she was contacted through this site? I didn't read that anywhere.

oh no, not suggesting that he located the model on here.  but if there is an investigation, there is no reason for them to limit it to contacts with this one model, and so they are likely to check contacts with other models.

Shura wrote:
Ahm...where were her parents?

Exactly.  Why did she come alone?  Was she hiding something from her parents/guardians?  Did he promise her fame?  We don't know the whole story.  The photos were a bad idea without a parent present and parental agreement/signature.  If he sexually abused her, that's even worse.

Narhan wrote:

So he rescued three men, doesn't that make him a hero?

Read the bottom of the article....that's a log of activity by the sherrifs department. By the way, so you don't get it confused again, one of the Sheriffs has the same last name as well, just a different first name.  Sheesh!

Amanda Padilla wrote:
I called that number, no one picked up.

If your that interested you can go to www.whitepages.com for Provo and see if it is the same number listed there.

lotusphoto wrote:
http://www.briansorensen.com/brianprofile.html#

HOLD UP A MINUTE >>>PLEASE.  The newspaper and tv story said the guy is 47.  On this link to Brian Sorensens profile it gives the date of birth as 1977 making the person in this profile only 29 years old.  Something to think about.....you know....guilty until proven innocent.  Wait, I may have that backwards....  Are you sure you have the right guy???

Scribe of Souls wrote:
Read the bottom of the article....that's a log of activity by the sherrifs department. By the way, so you don't get it confused again, one of the Sheriffs has the same last name as well, just a different first name.  Sheesh!

So you're saying the Sheriff is an accomplice because he's related?

(lotusphoto got the joke)

Narhan wrote:

So you're saying the Sheriff is an accomplice because he's related?

(lotusphoto got the joke)

lol

Dan Hood  mm/moderator wrote:
Lots of  fashion models start at around 16 and sometimes earlier, this site is not just for T&A models so the age 16 rules stands.

and I guess that's why all the under-18 ones should be safely coralled in famous agencies and sent off to Milan, not running loose on the net

Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
Whenever I hear something like this, I think how easy it would be to whip up hysteria directed at someone, using a bit of disinformation and the Internet. I have no idea whether the guy did what they allege he did, and I have no idea whether what he allegedly did was illegal or not. None of us do.

True story: a buddy of mine swatted his teenaged daughter on the backside because she was misbehaving in public. Unfortunately for Charlie, one of his neighbors, who dislikes him because of a property line issue, saw the opportunity and called family services. Police show up at 2:00am and drag Charlie in handcuffs out into the street. Everyone on the block watches him get loaded into a squad car and driven off. He misses work, has to explain to his boss that he was hauled away by the cops for suspicion of child abuse. Lucky for him the boss knows him well. By the time the police begin to realize that they were "played" by the tipster they don't want to look stupid and admit it. So Charlie gets to spend a year in counselling with his daughter and a social worker, at his own expense.

I don't even WANT to think what a couple of pissed off models could do to a guy, if they coordinated their stories - and if you wanted to really demolish someone and knew something about computers it'd be pretty easy to seed someone's hard drive with questionable material.

Anyhow, I have no idea if this guy did something wrong or not. But we owe him the benefit of a doubt. That's what we'd expect if we were in his situation. Beating the drums and calling for a lynch mob is wrong - indeed, it's unamerican.

If you must play Madame Defarge, sit back, make a batch of popcorn, and watch the story unfold from the safety of your couch. But for goodness sake, put down the rope and the pitchfork.

mjr.

Marcus has hit upon a very interesting thing.  How easy it is to set people up.
If you don't believe me check out the movie Hard Candy.  I won't ruin it
for people who haven't seen it but its a good movie.

Dan Hood  mm/moderator wrote:
Some teenage girl has cried abuse and we are ready to hang him. I'd wait for more facts to come out.

The fact is we don't know if she is lying or not, we don't know what the cops found. It amazes me that one girl can cry fowl and we are ready to start banging the Crucifiction  drum.

How abut we wait until more real facts emerge before we destroy him.

The name sounds familiar, but yes, absolutely.... I used to work in social services (have my MA in rehab) and worked with kids in foster care as well as a rape crisis unit for years. One thing I learned early out was that one should always take precautions to protect one's self from a "he said/she said" situation because as a person "in power", if any accusation is made by the other party, it won't matter whether you're guilty or not.

From this VERY brief news clip, we know nothing other than that an accusation was made.  Assuming that he had a parental release, another person there acting as witness that nothing happened, that the shoot was done in a public type setting, etc, he shouldn't have much to worry about. But even if not guilty, if he didn't have any of these, it puts him in a predicament that no one wants to be in.

One photographer that I've worked with actually takes a photo of the model's drivers license as well as a signed release form and keeps it with the photos from the shoot. Not a bad idea if you ask me!

Caroline

Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
Whenever I hear something like this, I think how easy it would be to whip up hysteria directed at someone, using a bit of disinformation and the Internet. I have no idea whether the guy did what they allege he did, and I have no idea whether what he allegedly did was illegal or not. None of us do.

True story: a buddy of mine swatted his teenaged daughter on the backside because she was misbehaving in public. Unfortunately for Charlie, one of his neighbors, who dislikes him because of a property line issue, saw the opportunity and called family services. Police show up at 2:00am and drag Charlie in handcuffs out into the street. Everyone on the block watches him get loaded into a squad car and driven off. He misses work, has to explain to his boss that he was hauled away by the cops for suspicion of child abuse. Lucky for him the boss knows him well. By the time the police begin to realize that they were "played" by the tipster they don't want to look stupid and admit it. So Charlie gets to spend a year in counselling with his daughter and a social worker, at his own expense.

I don't even WANT to think what a couple of pissed off models could do to a guy, if they coordinated their stories - and if you wanted to really demolish someone and knew something about computers it'd be pretty easy to seed someone's hard drive with questionable material.

Anyhow, I have no idea if this guy did something wrong or not. But we owe him the benefit of a doubt. That's what we'd expect if we were in his situation. Beating the drums and calling for a lynch mob is wrong - indeed, it's unamerican.

If you must play Madame Defarge, sit back, make a batch of popcorn, and watch the story unfold from the safety of your couch. But for goodness sake, put down the rope and the pitchfork.

mjr.

PERFECTLY said.... Just to add, that it's also a sad fact that for the kids who truly are abused, the worse the abuse, the less likely anyone is to ever hear of it.  Also, most abuse is by a guardian or close relative, and can go on for an extended period of time.  It is the stories that we don't hear about that are the ones that SHOULD be heard and the children protected.

(Saying this both as a victim (and involved in the survivor community) of SEVERE, long-term abuse by a close relative who was a retired NYC police officer and well respected in his community, and also saying this as someone who worked in child welfare (both prevention and foster care) for 5 years.

Amanda Padilla wrote:
you think the mods are going to get rid of his profile?

The person in question is now "not a current member".
MODs at work?

ravens laughter wrote:
one of our own

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_331185411.html

I won't say anything about the person who allegedly did this, because then I could get in trouble (but since the story is published I can put the link here), how ever let this be a lesson to all of you who prey on the aspirations of another.... you're going to be caught. It might not be right away, but someone will talk, and when they do.... well lets just say sexual preditors don't get it easy in prison.

I know he attend our events in August 25 and 26, 2001 in Southern California.  I check my computer records.

Dan Hood  mm/moderator wrote:
Some teenage girl has cried abuse and we are ready to hang him. I'd wait for more facts to come out.

The fact is we don't know if she is lying or not, we don't know what the cops found. It amazes me that one girl can cry fowl and we are ready to start banging the Crucifiction  drum.

How abut we wait until more real facts emerge before we destroy him.

I agree.  Let the facts come out first.  Every thing is "hear say".

ravens laughter wrote:
one of our own

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_331185411.html

I won't say anything about the person who allegedly did this, because then I could get in trouble (but since the story is published I can put the link here), how ever let this be a lesson to all of you who prey on the aspirations of another.... you're going to be caught. It might not be right away, but someone will talk, and when they do.... well lets just say sexual preditors don't get it easy in prison.

Why is this a MM problem?  I am in no way condoning this type of behavior but your title said MM we have a problem? Was this Koz dpi?

Dan Hood  mm/moderator wrote:
It amazes me that one girl can cry fowl

Or she "chickened" out.

ravens laughter wrote:
Well the fact that this photographer has the same images as a 47 year old photographer on omp who manages a 17 year old and who has not logged in on omp, mm, or myspace since Thanksgiving.... Same name same pictures same town same studio name same age I think its safe to say its the same guy.

That OMP page hasn't been updated for a month.  Lots of people don't log on or update their profile for long periods of time.

For the sake of accuracy, the girl he "manages" is 28, not 17. 

I don't know where you get the information about his age on his OMP page - I couldn't find it.

Chris Beyond wrote:
The weirdest thing in that story is how do you MAKE a 17 year old girl watch pornography? Does anyone else think that part is a little weird? If somebody tried to MAKE me watch pornography when I was 17 I would have run away right away.

(to home to where I'd probably watch it on my own.)

My guess is that one of the charges is holding her there against her will.

Yes, that part is a little weird.

Emotive Photography wrote:
Why is this a MM problem?  I am in no way condoning this type of behavior but your title said MM we have a problem? Was this Koz dpi?

... of Illinois?
Seriously,
Kathy

Primal Lens wrote:
Great, now MM is gonna be dragged through the news mud like Myspace

He's off MM...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=2956

OMP shut him down...
http://www.onemodelplace.com/search.cfm … %20Profile

and he's fighting the charges and out on $20,000 bail...
http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/62137

ravens laughter wrote:
a smarter decision still would be to oust minors all together.

Agreed.

Josie Nutter wrote:
Agreed.

Gonna say again....toss those fuckers out when they call.
toss them out when they show at the door.