Photographer
Admiral Frog
Posts: 29088
Roswell, Georgia, US
MELmoore wrote:
I got offered $150,000 a year to be an escort and said no way, I believe sex should be free anyway!
Kisses,
MEL Free you say? I can afford that, what is you phone number I will give you a call and set something up ;-)
Photographer
David Pankhurst Photo
Posts: 893
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Surely what is most fascinating is the number of "photographers" who are so well acquainted with the going rates for hookers! I am very familiar with rates for both amateur and professional models in my area but couldn't begin to hazard a guess on hooker's prices. Maybe that's because I keep my camera in my hands and my dick in my pants when working with models who are just trying to make a living modelling. To imply that they are something else just because they model, with or without clothes, is very sleazy.
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
Scott Kennelly wrote:
How can you legalize something so complicated and taboo? Imagine the licensing process? What type of school would you have to attend to get training? I want to be one of the teachers! Set up places that could be called whore houses. All the professional girls would be required to have check ups by the State. All would be independent contractors and pay the house a percentage for handling their paper work.
The girls could also have a labor union to set a going rate and regulate over time pay, plus holidays and vacation time.
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
MELmoore wrote:
Do you expect models to work for free forever? Nobody likes to work for free?
I have done 23 TFCD's and now I get paid $100 an hour. You are not paying me, so why do photographer's continue to complain about models getting paid, it is hard work, especially the underwater photoshoots. I get paid for damage to my eyes after 3 hours underwater in chlorine with my eyes open.
Oh and I have only fucked one of my photographer's out of 35 different photographer's and my hubby was there.LMAO just kidding....well...........
It was a TFCD so it doesn't count for prostitution hehehehe
my bad.
Kisses,
MEL I belkieve the OP's point was about models who charge outrageous rates & base the amount the charge on how much they take off.
You know, "$75 clothed, $100 bikini, $150 lingerie, $200 nude, three hour minimum" kind of deal.
That makes them sound rather hookerish.
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
bang bang photo wrote:
I myself prefer TFP. . . . That would be called, TFS (trade for sex).
Photographer
UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
Dax wrote:
You would be surprised how many models also are prostitutes/escorts/hookers. Very surprised !! People do what they have to do to survive. If they "cross the line" in their private lives it is NOT any of our business.
many models are dancers...what are they not people?
When I see someone who "got the look" I dont give a rat's ass if they are a stripper, or an escort, or an ex-dancer , or ex-escort.
You perfect Diva wannabees should take the shit out your own nose first.
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
Jessica Ryann wrote:
Crazy Shyt ! That's the Mayhem at Model Mayhem.
Photographer
Analog Nomad
Posts: 4097
Pattaya, Central, Thailand
Oh sure -- there you go trying to inject reason into this conversation. .. SLE Photography wrote:
I belkieve the OP's point was about models who charge outrageous rates & base the amount the charge on how much they take off.
You know, "$75 clothed, $100 bikini, $150 lingerie, $200 nude, three hour minimum" kind of deal.
That makes them sound rather hookerish.
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
Scott Kennelly wrote:
Well, I don't know much about pimps, but they DO have a pretty bad reputation of "forcing" their girls to do things they don't want to do (in many ways) by using violence or by getting them hooked on drugs, and then "enticing" them to do things they wouldn't normally do otherwise. It's a very seedy business, and maybe if legalizing it can reduce a great deal of that type of practice, it would be the right thing to do.
I just can't see it happening. Can you see them making Heroine legal? If you don't think the two are similar just compare their benefits and detriments. Heroine kills right? So do prostitutes.
Maybe we'll HAVE to legalize prostitution to take away the business for the prostitutes that refuse to get a medical exam and AIDS test regularly. Who wouldn't pick a prostitute with a certification that says they've been tested negative for AIDS this month vs. a prostitute that doesn't have such a certification? Just say no is the words to fight drugs, and the word for 99 percent of safe sex is condom
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
McKenzie Bros Photo wrote:
Not in the mood tonight, I just wanna watch![https://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/popcorn.gif]() schooch over...pass the popcorn.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
SLE Photography wrote:
I belkieve the OP's point was about models who charge outrageous rates & base the amount the charge on how much they take off.
You know, "$75 clothed, $100 bikini, $150 lingerie, $200 nude, three hour minimum" kind of deal.
That makes them sound rather hookerish. What that the original point???
My rates go higher the more I take off- but their negotiated based on where the pictures are going, what they are being used for, what the release says, how good the photography is, etc....
so....that makes me what? a smart hooker?
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
Click Hamilton wrote:
why should prostitution be licensed?
Who asked bloated government to invade all aspects of our lives? They can't do anything right anyway, and what functions, functions in spite of them.
Like gambling .. it's illegal and immoral until they want the money for themselves, then they institutionalize it as a massive profit center. Don't forget to buy your lottery ticket.
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Admiral Frog
Posts: 29088
Roswell, Georgia, US
Daniela V wrote:
What that the original point???
My rates go higher the more I take off- but their negotiated based on where the pictures are going, what they are being used for, what the release says, how good the photography is, etc....
so....that makes me what? a smart hooker? How much would you charge me if you took off just your left shoe and sock? ;-P
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
MELmoore wrote:
I got offered $150,000 a year to be an escort and said no way, I believe sex should be free anyway!
Kisses,
MEL Do you ask about the hours and if it included holiday and vacation pay?
Photographer
Curt at photoworks
Posts: 31812
Riverside, California, US
Michael Pandolfo wrote:
They upped their rates as part of a Veteran's Day special? What kind of special is that? I'm outraged. studio36uk wrote:
Must be a special premimum rate for working on a holiday. LOL
Studio36 probably time and a half....
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
Frank McAdam wrote:
I don't see why the model is at fault if you can't afford her rates. Photography is a business. You should be able to sell your own work at a high enough price that the compensation to the model is covered and you are still left with a profit. Where do you sell pictures of models at anyway? I'm serious. If they are really good, who buys them? If there is a profit to be made, let me know.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Frog516 wrote:
How much would you charge me if you took off just your left shoe and sock? ;-P Depends..what's the release look like ;-P
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
David Pankhurst Photo wrote:
Surely what is most fascinating is the number of "photographers" who are so well acquainted with the going rates for hookers! I am very familiar with rates for both amateur and professional models in my area but couldn't begin to hazard a guess on hooker's prices. Maybe that's because I keep my camera in my hands and my dick in my pants when working with models who are just trying to make a living modelling. To imply that they are something else just because they model, with or without clothes, is very sleazy. I'm not sure if he means that or not, but how can you tell if the model is a professional or not? I noticed that beginners who say no experience ask 125.00 per hour for posing in a bikini and that the rates will be discussed for nude work.
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
UnoMundo Photography wrote:
People do what they have to do to survive. If they "cross the line" in their private lives it is NOT any of our business.
many models are dancers...what are they not people?
When I see someone who "got the look" I dont give a rat's ass if they are a stripper, or an escort, or an ex-dancer , or ex-escort.
You perfect Diva wannabees should take the shit out your own nose first. You are right about exotic dancers. I've been contacted by some very attractive dancers and thought they were just hookers, but found out that is not correct.
Photographer
Admiral Frog
Posts: 29088
Roswell, Georgia, US
Daniela V wrote:
Depends..what's the release look like ;-P You can use the photos for self promotion, but I get to keep the sock
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
Daniela V wrote:
What that the original point???
My rates go higher the more I take off- but their negotiated based on where the pictures are going, what they are being used for, what the release says, how good the photography is, etc....
so....that makes me what? a smart hooker? I understand that as you take more off, your rates go up, and maybe something on the photographer does too, but if you are basing your rates on what you show, what does it matter where the usage of the images will be unless you are also asking for a percentage from the usage profits, and here is the big question.
What does it matter to anyone how good the photographer is if the photographer is paying the price? Because the photographer can make the model look un-attractive? Maybe that is what the photographer wanted to make the model look like.
Here's something new. I don't do nudes or take pictures that show me looking un-attractive.
Photographer
Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
Frog516 wrote:
How much would you charge me if you took off just your left shoe and sock? ;-P That is F........ng funny. Enjoyed the comic relief for anyone taking this seriously.
Photographer
Merlinpix
Posts: 7118
Farmingdale, New York, US
Dax wrote:
You would be surprised how many models also are prostitutes/escorts/hookers. Very surprised !! Nope not at all.
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Real people wrote:
I understand that as you take more off, your rates go up, and maybe something on the photographer does too, but if you are basing your rates on what you show, what does it matter where the usage of the images will be unless you are also asking for a percentage from the usage profits, and here is the big question.
What does it matter to anyone how good the photographer is if the photographer is paying the price? Because the photographer can make the model look un-attractive? Maybe that is what the photographer wanted to make the model look like.
Here's something new. I don't do nudes or take pictures that show me looking un-attractive. I am basing my rates on what I show, and everything else I previously mentioned. My rates go up the more I take off, yet everything in my MM port is TFP. What does that tell you? How about, that I need some photos like that for my book and I'll shoot that content with photographers I respect, admire, and think are true professionals.
It matters where they will be...case in point, I just agreed to do an artistic nude shot for photographers that yes, I think, are wonderful, and I'm doing it TFP. Why? Because it benefits a charity and I'm a charity whore. Would I do the shoot TFP with them otherwise? No, not completely nude- because I currently have no need for that type of shot- I've got enough for the time being. But I want to help for the charity.
"Because the photographer wants to make the model look bad."??? Describe "bad"....awful shadows and bad angels? someone would WANT that? Mmmk.
Frankly, if I'm going to shoot, whatever it is I'm shooting, if I have no need for the photos (Which means I have enough like that, or I know they won't match the level in my port) I'm going to charge.
Photographer
Giacomo Cirrincioni
Posts: 22234
Stamford, Connecticut, US
I can't speak for all models on the "rates go up as clothes come off" thing, but in my experience there is a factor many photographers not seem to get. MANY models shoot lingerie & bikini/adult nude/glamour nude/explicit nude for use on "adult" sites. I'm not talking about hardcore porn, but softcore content. Think Met-Art for example. The photographer shooting this type of content is only doing it for one of two reasons, either to accumulate his own personal collection of self-created porn, in which case the model should be compensated financially, or because he intends to sell the content for profit, in which case the model should be compensated financially.
Now, the level of compensation that the photographer gets is directly proportional to the type of content sold. Bikini doesn't get much at all, topless is worth more, full nude even more, explicit nude much more, and so on. The models know this, they know what the content they are shooting is worth to the photographer (usually, new models often think there is much more money in this than there really is). So they have organized their rates accordingly and it is actually quite fair for both parties.
Photographer
C R Photography
Posts: 3594
Pleasanton, California, US
Dax wrote:
You would be surprised how many models also are prostitutes/escorts/hookers. And how many photographers are whores... camera whores, publishing whores, studio whores, lighting whores.. ect
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
bang bang photo wrote:
Oh sure -- there you go trying to inject reason into this conversation. .. SLE Photography wrote:
I belkieve the OP's point was about models who charge outrageous rates & base the amount the charge on how much they take off.
You know, "$75 clothed, $100 bikini, $150 lingerie, $200 nude, three hour minimum" kind of deal.
That makes them sound rather hookerish. Whoops, my bad
Photographer
Analog Nomad
Posts: 4097
Pattaya, Central, Thailand
(Waving hand enthusiastically!!) I am the COMPLEAT Photo Whore. C R Photography wrote:
And how many photographers are whores... camera whores, publishing whores, studio whores, lighting whores.. ect
Photographer
Zpab PhotographyArt
Posts: 32
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
There may be some similarities between models and craigslist characters - But trust
me when I say - Most models I've met here- do work their asses off on the shoots and
I can respect the fact they could (sell out) " make a living" a different way - Which
is none of my business as a photographer - But they are trying to survive as a Model.
This is why - all photographers - It's so very important we work with these awesome women and at least try and give them some hope and encouragement. We have
no guarantees of anyone " Making it" BIGTIME - but at least we may curve the flood
of models having to survive other ways!!!!
Hope this makes sense!
Much Love,
Zpab
Photographer
Shiree
Posts: 250
Sacramento, California, US
Oh cmon ur missing the point... errr at least the point i got from it.... u can book a hooker for 150.00 per hr, or an amature model naked for 150.00 per hr, common economics say the hooker is the better deal, heres why...
1.) Shes Experience in being sexy
2.)shes got great wardrobe
3.)shes not worried that she may get molested
4.)shes rarely does noshows
5.)she already has an agent
6.)she doesnt care if her b/f knows
7.)she doesnt demand a tearsheet or cd
8.)she books the room
9.)she doesnt demand a high dollar MUA
10.)Hookers work late when you absolutely must break out the long lens.
Basically my economics teacher would be proud, ive used what i learned, to find out one thing, Hookers are a good deal, book yours today!!!
Photographer
studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Real people wrote:
I'm not sure if he means that or not, but how can you tell if the model is a professional or not? I noticed that beginners who say no experience ask 125.00 per hour for posing in a bikini and that the rates will be discussed for nude work. Shiree wrote:
Oh cmon ur missing the point... errr at least the point i got from it.... u can book a hooker for 150.00 per hr, or an amature model naked for 150.00 per hr, common economics say the hooker is the better deal, heres why... [edit]
Basically my economics teacher would be proud, ive used what i learned, to find out one thing, Hookers are a good deal, book yours today!!! In part that was my point... at least with the hooker you KNOW what you will be getting. LOL
I would never, ever, pay a "two weeks in the business "mod...doo"" more money per hour than I pay my lawyer; my doctor; my accountant;... or my mechanic. What makes them think they are worth more than those people - OR - even the local call girls in the newspaper story is what really boggles the mind.
Studio36
Photographer
stan wigmore photograph
Posts: 2397
Long Beach, California, US
Terry Breedlove wrote:
Uhm don't models model and hookers have sex ? I don't see any correlation and really I think it is pretty nasty to imply that there is one. I agree,some of the best models i have found and worked with and the most reliable come from Craig's list.To implie that there is a connection between the two is unfair and stupidly put,even though I don't think it was the intent,it comes off that way.MM has basicly been a crap shoot,sometimes your lucky,sometimes not.
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SI Photography
Posts: 1894
NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US
JJD Productions wrote:
I'm missing the point with similar rates between modelling and hooking. The mechanic who works on my sports car charges $120/hr and doesn't even offer a hand job. Should I get a hooker to fix my car? My photography rates are similar to escort rates should my clients expect sex or would they get better value booking hookers rather than booking me? Glamour photography is about selling the fantasy of sex not actually selling sex - get it straight. "I saw you got ripped off, I usually get a blumpkin for that rate."
Photographer
Longwatcher
Posts: 3664
Newport News, Virginia, US
First some trivia (based on quick internet research so data may be suspect); - In 11 counties in Nevada a Brothel is legal and 1 is illegal (Clark County - AKA Las Vegas) - No prostitute at a brothel has gotten HIV since 1986. The mandatory health check and condom law probably contribute. - And for a bit of humor, the brothel owners actually tried to get Nevada to charge them for entertainment taxes (like the casinos) in addition to the licensing fee and the state turned them down. - And I found out last week, a friend of my Dad does (or did) some limo driving for a couple of legal brothels near Carson City and he showed up in HBO's Cathouse 2. Told me a lot of behind the scenes stuff that was interesting. Chalk up another HBO special where I know someone in it. And then on to some comments, While I know for a fact that at least one of my models has also been an escort/hooker, I did not take advantage of that fact other then to maybe shoot a bit more risque/erotic shots then normal because I was fairly sure she would be okay with it. I am fairly confident that a couple other models I used worked both sides of the line as well. But I had them there to model for me not for sex. And while the prices may be similar, I figure sex is (usually) a private affair, while my trying to make money from the pictures means the pictures (when I do a PPV photo-set) will be out there for all to see and no longer private so I am okay with the compensation being the same. And actually while I think models should be paid more, the market unfortunately does not support that. Final not so serious comment: While I am not very likely to take advantage of the fact (unless they get me in my annual melancholy period) I wish the models I hire for PPV shoots would let me know so I can be less nervous in asking them to do stuff for the pictures  Since I am not doing very many of those these days doesn't really matter.
Photographer
Luminos
Posts: 6065
Columbia, Maryland, US
Don't worry, folks. Once they realize it can be taxed, or even state run like the lottery or liquor in some states, prostitution will again be legalized.
I have great faith in the practical minds of our politicians.
Photographer
SKPhoto
Posts: 25784
Newark, California, US
I love it...give 'em health checks. Hahahahahaha.
The check's only good for the very next customer. After that you takes your chances.
Photographer
Dave Krueger
Posts: 2851
Huntsville, Alabama, US
studio36uk wrote:
...the hookers might indeed be the better choice for GWCs.... Good point. When you consider that the government helps hookers maintain artificially high rates by limiting supply, the cost difference is even more astonishing.
Photographer
1eyeDigital Photography
Posts: 32
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Frog516 wrote:
You can use the photos for self promotion, but I get to keep the sock Just got finished reading thru this thread, Frog516 you are f'n funny as hell, I just got up off the floor. I think I'm going to start collecting socks too.....
Photographer
SI Photography
Posts: 1894
NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US
SKPhoto wrote:
I love it...give 'em health checks. Hahahahahaha.
The check's only good for the very next customer. After that you takes your chances. "Incorrect. Hookers in NV are the cleanest women on the planet. It's their job and they always wear protection and more. More than you'll ever find from a chick at the night club or the girl at the church meeting."
Photographer
Hope Parr
Posts: 726
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
talk about ignorant photographers. You wonder why models charge money, its probably got to do with them having to deal with people like you. studio36uk wrote:
Not that all models are hookers... one does have to wonder at that similarity.
On a personal note... I do notice, however, that the Craigslist hookers don't seem to have a three hour minimum... so, and I have said this before so there is no secret about how I approach this "rates" question, the hookers might indeed be the better choice for GWCs. At least if they are going to be f**ked there shouild be some sex act(s) involved for the "rates" they are being asked to pay. ROTFLMAO
Studio36
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