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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Does this say something about some model's "rates"? Not that all models are hookers... or even most of them... perhaps not even some of them... but the "rates" are so similar to what some "models" are asking, particularly for "nude" work, that one does have to wonder at that similarity. On a personal note... I do notice, however, that the Craigslist hookers don't seem to have a three hour minimum... so, and I have said this before so there is no secret about how I approach this "rates" question, the hookers might indeed be the better choice for GWCs. At least if they are going to be f**ked there shouild be some sex act(s) involved for the "rates" they are being asked to pay. ROTFLMAO [extract from story about hookers advertising on Craigslist... and a Seattle area police investigation of them] Prostitution sting leads to 104 arrests
By Sara Jean Green
Seattle Times staff reporter
..."Every hobbyist knows the going rate is at least $150 an hour for 'full service' â which means intercourse and maybe a massage," he said, noting men also "negotiate for extra services," for instance paying an additional $50 to have sex without a condom.
The response was "absolutely wild," Sano said. Even after female detectives upped their price to $200 an hour as part of a Veterans Day special, "we almost had people triple-booked" for appointments, he said.... Full text:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bi … e=20061116
Studio36
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
Prostitution sting leads to 104 arrests
By Sara Jean Green
Seattle Times staff reporter
..."Every hobbyist knows the going rate is at least $150 an hour for 'full service' â which means intercourse and maybe a massage," he said, noting men also "negotiate for extra services," for instance paying an additional $50 to have sex without a condom.
The response was "absolutely wild," Sano said. Even after female detectives upped their price to $200 an hour as part of a Veterans Day special, "we almost had people triple-booked" for appointments, he said.... They upped their rates as part of a Veteran's Day special? What kind of special is that? I'm outraged.
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Michael Pandolfo wrote:
They upped their rates as part of a Veteran's Day special? What kind of special is that? I'm outraged. Must be a special premimum rate for working on a holiday. LOL
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ELANFOTOS
Posts: 676
Miami, Florida, US
hmm i wonder if they charge by the Lb.? (by the pound...... get it?..... pound?... hello?
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B R E E D L O V E
Posts: 8022
Forks, Washington, US
Uhm don't models model and hookers have sex ? I don't see any correlation and really I think it is pretty nasty to imply that there is one.
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Scott Kennelly
Posts: 198
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Are you suggesting that models charge the rates they do, because they'd be hookers if they couldn't? Prostitutes' rates vary wildly. So do models' rates for nudes. Some prostitutes (call girls) charge $1,000 minimum. Some models cost $1,500 minimum. Hell, some models cost way more than that.
I don't see a correlation. Is there something similar between lawyers and prostitutes? Their rates are similar, and they both fuck you sometimes. How about auto mechanics? Is there a correlation between the rates bikini models get and the rates that auto mechanics get?
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CarolineVictoria
Posts: 331
Beverly Hills, California, US
Terry Breedlove wrote:
Uhm don't models model and hookers have sex ? I don't see any correlation and really I think it is pretty nasty to imply that there is one. Well said!!!!!!
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Analog Nomad
Posts: 4097
Pattaya, Central, Thailand
Wow, I'm glad to see that Seattle has serious crime like terrorism, gang wars, murders, and everything else under control to the extent that they have the time and resources to go out and arrest 104 consenting adults who were doing nothing more or less than paying for what everybody else does for free.
When you think about it -- it's crazy. No doubt some of the officers who took part in this valient anti-crime operation went out the next night, picked up some babes in a bar, and screwed their brains out. This is perfectly legal, but paying somebody for exactly the same thing is a dispicable act and a dangerous crime that should land you in jail? We are a fucked up country.
An interesting note -- Milton Friedman, the Nobel-prize-winning economist who died yesterday, was a vocal advocate for the legalization of prostitution.
Paul
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Scott Kennelly
Posts: 198
Phoenix, Arizona, US
bang bang photo wrote:
Wow, I'm glad to see that Seattle has serious crime like terrorism, gang wars, murders, and everything else under control to the extent that they have the time and resources to go out and arrest 104 consenting adults who were doing nothing more or less than paying for what everybody else does for free.
An interesting note -- Milton Friedman, the Nobel-prize-winning economist who died yesterday, was a vocal advocate for the legalization of prostitution.
Paul How can you legalize something so complicated and taboo? Imagine the licensing process? What type of school would you have to attend to get training? I want to be one of the teachers!
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Analog Nomad
Posts: 4097
Pattaya, Central, Thailand
Scott Kennelly wrote:
How can you legalize something so complicated and taboo? Imagine the licensing process? What type of school would you have to attend to get training? I want to be one of the teachers! Gee -- only half the world has already figured this out. And often, there IS a licensing process. No big deal. What, we can figure out how to put a man on the moon, but we can't figure out how to give a business license to a hooker?
It's funny -- somebody who hires somebody to slave for hours at Walmart under difficult working conditions with no health benefits is called a "human resources professional," while someone who does job placements for prostitutes is an exploitative trafficker who by definition commits violence against women.
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dgold
Posts: 10302
Pawtucket, Rhode Island, US
bang bang photo wrote:
Wow, I'm glad to see that Seattle has serious crime like terrorism, gang wars, murders, and everything else under control to the extent that they have the time and resources to go out and arrest 104 consenting adults who were doing nothing more or less than paying for what everybody else does for free.
When you think about it -- it's crazy. No doubt some of the officers who took part in this valient anti-crime operation went out the next night, picked up some babes in a bar, and screwed their brains out. This is perfectly legal, but paying somebody for exactly the same thing is a dispicable act and a dangerous crime that should land you in jail? We are a fucked up country.
An interesting note -- Milton Friedman, the Nobel-prize-winning economist who died yesterday, was a vocal advocate for the legalization of prostitution.
Paul ...Bravo!
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Robert Randall
Posts: 13890
Chicago, Illinois, US
I didn't know you could buy sex from people on Craig's list and I certainly didn't know what to offer if the chance occured. God this MM site is so perfect!
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Analog Nomad
Posts: 4097
Pattaya, Central, Thailand
Bob Randall Photography wrote:
I didn't know you could buy sex from people on Craig's list and I certainly didn't know what to offer if the chance occured. God this MM site is so perfect! I myself prefer TFP. . . .
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I am done
Posts: 518
Aldouane, New Brunswick, Canada
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digital Artform
Posts: 49326
Los Angeles, California, US
Bob Randall Photography wrote:
I didn't know you could buy sex from people on Craig's list and I certainly didn't know what to offer if the chance occured. God this MM site is so perfect! Surely you mean, "what to charge"
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Scott Kennelly
Posts: 198
Phoenix, Arizona, US
bang bang photo wrote:
Gee -- only half the world has already figured this out. And often, there IS a licensing process. No big deal. What, we can figure out how to put a man on the moon, but we can't figure out how to give a business license to a hooker?
It's funny -- somebody who hires somebody to slave for hours at Walmart under difficult working conditions with no health benefits is called a "human resources professional," while someone who does job placements for prostitutes is a exploitative trafficker who by definition commits violence against women. Well, I don't know much about pimps, but they DO have a pretty bad reputation of "forcing" their girls to do things they don't want to do (in many ways) by using violence or by getting them hooked on drugs, and then "enticing" them to do things they wouldn't normally do otherwise. It's a very seedy business, and maybe if legalizing it can reduce a great deal of that type of practice, it would be the right thing to do.
I just can't see it happening. Can you see them making Heroine legal? If you don't think the two are similar just compare their benefits and detriments. Heroine kills right? So do prostitutes.
Maybe we'll HAVE to legalize prostitution to take away the business for the prostitutes that refuse to get a medical exam and AIDS test regularly. Who wouldn't pick a prostitute with a certification that says they've been tested negative for AIDS this month vs. a prostitute that doesn't have such a certification?
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Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
Scott Kennelly wrote:
Is there something similar between lawyers and prostitutes? yikes
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dax
Posts: 1015
Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden
You would be surprised how many models also are prostitutes/escorts/hookers. Very surprised !!
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Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
bang bang photo wrote:
Milton Friedman, the Nobel-prize-winning economist died yesterday
Paul may he rest in peace
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dax
Posts: 1015
Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden
JJD Productions wrote:
I'm missing the point with similar rates between modelling and hooking. I think what he means is that if hookers charge $150/hr why would a model charge more, if the hooker is giving u sex.. and the model is just posing.
I think that's what he means.
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dax
Posts: 1015
Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden
Scott Kennelly wrote:
How can you legalize something so complicated and taboo? Imagine the licensing process? What type of school would you have to attend to get training? I want to be one of the teachers! The same way the Netherlands have done it! 
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Analog Nomad
Posts: 4097
Pattaya, Central, Thailand
Like the war on drugs, the war on prostitution is producing negative social and personal consequences far worse than the behaviour it is trying to cure. Almost everything that is bad about the prostitution industry would go away if it was licensed, legal, and open. The difference between heroin and prostitution is profound. Very few of us use heroin. But virtually all of us have sex, and many of us have promiscuous sex. The only difference is that most of us don't pay for our sex until after the divorce. It's incomprehensible to me that I can sit at a bar with a strange woman for a few minutes, and then take her home and have sex with her, and it's perfectly legal -- but if I pay her for exactly the same act, we're both dangerous criminals and a menace to society. Scott Kennelly wrote:
Well, I don't know much about pimps, but they DO have a pretty bad reputation of "forcing" their girls to do things they don't want to do (in many ways) by using violence or by getting them hooked on drugs, and then "enticing" them to do things they wouldn't normally do otherwise. It's a very seedy business, and maybe if legalizing it can reduce a great deal of that type of practice, it would be the right thing to do.
I just can't see it happening. Can you see them making Heroine legal? If you don't think the two are similar just compare their benefits and detriments. Heroine kills right? So do prostitutes.
Maybe we'll HAVE to legalize prostitution to take away the business for the prostitutes that refuse to get a medical exam and AIDS test regularly. Who wouldn't pick a prostitute with a certification that says they've been tested negative for AIDS this month vs. a prostitute that doesn't have such a certification?
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Admiral Frog
Posts: 29088
Roswell, Georgia, US
JJD Productions wrote:
I'm missing the point with similar rates between modelling and hooking. The mechanic who works on my sports car charges $120/hr and doesn't even offer a hand job. Should I get a hooker to fix my car? My photography rates are similar to escort rates should my clients expect sex or would they get better value booking hookers rather than booking me? Glamour photography is about selling the fantasy of sex not actually selling sex - get it straight. LOL that was funny, no hand job from the mechanic, but sometime I do feel like I am getting F*cked by my mechanic
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Paul Valach
Posts: 550
Avondale, Arizona, US
Scott Kennelly wrote:
How can you legalize something so complicated and taboo? Imagine the licensing process? What type of school would you have to attend to get training? I want to be one of the teachers! Um, there is one County in Las Vegas that seems to make it work. I believe that is Clark County. Its long been said that the legalization of prostitution, licensing, health certification, etc., would make the whole business better and generate various revenues for cities and states. Remember, after all, it is all about the Tax Dollar. And let's not forget that in Europe there are several countries where it is all legal. Nothing complicated about it.
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Mickle Design Werks
Posts: 5967
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Going with the OPâs original premise, I would argue that a model charging for modeling on MM should potentially make more than a prostitute charging for sex.
The key difference is that modeling produces a tangible product (images) where as prostitution is a service (nothing is produced through the transaction with the ability to be resold).
Usage of the images can be provided at a profit to the photographer well after the shoot, therefore a model should price her modeling according to demand for her skills, her look and the potential use of the images.
I condition my argument as potential because not all models have the justification to charge more than a prostitute. I think this is the point that the OP is trying to make.
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Craig A McKenzie
Posts: 1767
Marine City, Michigan, US
Not in the mood tonight, I just wanna watch ![https://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/popcorn.gif]()
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Click Hamilton
Posts: 36555
San Diego, California, US
why should prostitution be licensed?
Who asked bloated government to invade all aspects of our lives? They can't do anything right anyway, and what functions, functions in spite of them.
Like gambling .. it's illegal and immoral until they want the money for themselves, then they institutionalize it as a massive profit center.
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Analog Nomad
Posts: 4097
Pattaya, Central, Thailand
I think prostitution should be licensed because pretty much all businesses are licensed. In addition, I think there would be a clear benefit to both prostitutes and their customers if they received frequent health checks and education. In this case, the inconvenience and expense of licensing would be outweighed by the benefit. But hey -- one step at a time -- just legalizing it would stop of the criminalization of victimless behaviour between consenting adults. That would be a good start to a saner society. Click Hamilton wrote:
why should prostitution be licensed?
Who asked bloated government to invade all aspects of our lives? They can't do anything right anyway, and what functions, functions in spite of them.
Like gambling .. it's illegal and immoral until they want the money for themselves, then they institutionalize it as a massive profit center.
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StMarc
Posts: 2959
Chicago, Illinois, US
Paul Valach wrote:
Um, there is one County in Las Vegas that seems to make it work. I believe that is Clark County. This is incorrect. Clark County is the county where the Las Vegas strip is located: prostitution is illegal there.
If I recall correctly, the rule is that a county in Nevada may have legal prostitution, or legal gambling, but not both. Don't quote me on that one. However, I know that prostutition is illegal in Las Vegas proper. Also, there are multiple counties in Nevada where licensed brothels operate.
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MELissaMOORE
Posts: 1939
Fairfield, California, US
JJD Productions wrote:
I'm missing the point with similar rates between modelling and hooking. The mechanic who works on my sports car charges $120/hr and doesn't even offer a hand job. Should I get a hooker to fix my car? My photography rates are similar to escort rates should my clients expect sex or would they get better value booking hookers rather than booking me? Glamour photography is about selling the fantasy of sex not actually selling sex - get it straight. Do you expect models to work for free forever? Nobody likes to work for free?
I have done 23 TFCD's and now I get paid $100 an hour. You are not paying me, so why do photographer's continue to complain about models getting paid, it is hard work, especially the underwater photoshoots. I get paid for damage to my eyes after 3 hours underwater in chlorine with my eyes open.
Oh and I have only fucked one of my photographer's out of 35 different photographer's and my hubby was there.LMAO just kidding....well...........
It was a TFCD so it doesn't count for prostitution hehehehe
my bad.
Kisses,
MEL
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Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
Michael Pandolfo wrote:
They upped their rates as part of a Veteran's Day special? What kind of special is that? I'm outraged. I agree. Veteran's should have at least received a discounted price. It's a chance for the working girl to show how much she enjoys her freedom.
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MELissaMOORE
Posts: 1939
Fairfield, California, US
Dax wrote:
You would be surprised how many models also are prostitutes/escorts/hookers. Very surprised !! I got offered $150,000 a year to be an escort and said no way, I believe sex should be free anyway!
Kisses,
MEL
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Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
Terry Breedlove wrote:
Uhm don't models model and hookers have sex ? I don't see any correlation and really I think it is pretty nasty to imply that there is one. Not sure if that was his intentions. I think he may be saying that if he is going to pay the models rates and can get nude images at that price from a working girl, and if that is what he wants, then he is better off with the working girl.
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UnoMundo
Posts: 47532
Olympia, Washington, US
just think of your TFP session as sex without the blowjob...make yourself happy.
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Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
JJD Productions wrote:
I'm missing the point with similar rates between modelling and hooking. The mechanic who works on my sports car charges $120/hr and doesn't even offer a hand job. Should I get a hooker to fix my car? My photography rates are similar to escort rates should my clients expect sex or would they get better value booking hookers rather than booking me? Glamour photography is about selling the fantasy of sex not actually selling sex - get it straight. You're mechanic is rapping you charging 120 dollars per hour.
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Larry Brown Camera
Posts: 1081
Atlantic Beach, Florida, US
Someone is connecting dots that arn't there.
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Model Mel
Posts: 733
Thats it !! The cats out of the bag ... he he
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Frank McAdam
Posts: 2222
New York, New York, US
studio36uk wrote:
On a personal note... I do notice, however, that the Craigslist hookers don't seem to have a three hour minimum... so, and I have said this before so there is no secret about how I approach this "rates" question, the hookers might indeed be the better choice for GWCs. At least if they are going to be f**ked there shouild be some sex act(s) involved for the "rates" they are being asked to pay. ROTFLMAO
Studio36 I don't see why the model is at fault if you can't afford her rates. Photography is a business. You should be able to sell your own work at a high enough price that the compensation to the model is covered and you are still left with a profit.
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Real people
Posts: 148
Chicago, Illinois, US
bang bang photo wrote:
Wow, I'm glad to see that Seattle has serious crime like terrorism, gang wars, murders, and everything else under control to the extent that they have the time and resources to go out and arrest 104 consenting adults who were doing nothing more or less than paying for what everybody else does for free.
When you think about it -- it's crazy. No doubt some of the officers who took part in this valient anti-crime operation went out the next night, picked up some babes in a bar, and screwed their brains out. This is perfectly legal, but paying somebody for exactly the same thing is a dispicable act and a dangerous crime that should land you in jail? We are a fucked up country.
An interesting note -- Milton Friedman, the Nobel-prize-winning economist who died yesterday, was a vocal advocate for the legalization of prostitution.
Paul People repeat that it's the oldest profession.
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