Kinetic Photography wrote:
Okay, I was on MM for a year before and I got one model to show up.  I have now been here again for 2 months and not a single call.  Personally, I think there is something wrong with the people on this site.  All other sites I get models to show up everyday if I wanted.

Dude!
You've been here 1 month not two. You've accumulated 16 friends, so you're not networking. You have only 5 images, many of which are too dark or faint. I see you've been posting quite a  bit, but geeezzzz....

Exactly how many models have you approached with a specific project - and been rejected?

John

Kinetic Photography wrote:

I dont pay models.  Models and clients pay me. I will however work for free if the model is young and VERY beautiful.  I only have a few images because I feel those images speak for themselves.  Most photographers on this site fill their portfolio with 20 images and 19 of them are just bad.  If you are a model and you dont feel you would get the "kind of images you need" by working with me than I would suggest giving you some advice.  Two of the models in my images are signed by Ford and I did much of their portfolio work.  Who are YOU signed with ?  How do YOU know what kind of images you need ? 
I guess maybe my problem was that my standards are too high for the models on this site and they are just used to working with low end photographers.   I have a very "built up port" but I am afraid 99% of the models on here wouldnt know the difference.  Now please....flame away

Get lost TROLL!

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I dont pay models.  Models and clients pay me. I will however work for free if the model is young and VERY beautiful.  I only have a few images because I feel those images speak for themselves.  Most photographers on this site fill their portfolio with 20 images and 19 of them are just bad.  If you are a model and you dont feel you would get the "kind of images you need" by working with me than I would suggest giving you some advice.  Two of the models in my images are signed by Ford and I did much of their portfolio work.  Who are YOU signed with ?  How do YOU know what kind of images you need ? 
I guess maybe my problem was that my standards are too high for the models on this site and they are just used to working with low end photographers.   I have a very "built up port" but I am afraid 99% of the models on here wouldnt know the difference.  Now please....flame away

Post hoc. Are you implying you shot and therefore they signed with Ford? Should everyone be blessed by shooting with you and thinking that you're the magic ticket to fame and fortune?

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I dont pay models.  Models and clients pay me. I will however work for free if the model is young and VERY beautiful.  I only have a few images because I feel those images speak for themselves.  Most photographers on this site fill their portfolio with 20 images and 19 of them are just bad.  If you are a model and you dont feel you would get the "kind of images you need" by working with me than I would suggest giving you some advice.  Two of the models in my images are signed by Ford and I did much of their portfolio work.  Who are YOU signed with ?  How do YOU know what kind of images you need ? 
I guess maybe my problem was that my standards are too high for the models on this site and they are just used to working with low end photographers.   I have a very "built up port" but I am afraid 99% of the models on here wouldnt know the difference.  Now please....flame away

Hmm.. okay. I don't believe a word of this. If any of it was true, you either a) would never have come here or b) would have mentioned these things on your portfolio.
Aside from your snide insult to "most photographers on this site" your excuse for having such a tiny portfolio makes no sense on any level. Besides, any photographer worth a damn knows there are a LOT of highly talented people on this site.
If you have 20 good images, put the damn things up. If you've worked with Ford models, name them. If you have clients, name them. Your page says nothing of this level of experience. And if you're "too good" to stoop to such pandering, don't complain when models overlook you.
So from the evidence you're either lying, stupid, or a troll .. possibly all 3.

Kinetic Photography wrote:
Okay, I was on MM for a year before and I got one model to show up.  I have now been here again for 2 months and not a single call.  Personally, I think there is something wrong with the people on this site.  All other sites I get models to show up everyday if I wanted.

So...tell us...if you're that serious, then why the * are you here?!

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I dont pay models.  Models and clients pay me. I will however work for free if the model is young and VERY beautiful.  I only have a few images because I feel those images speak for themselves.  Most photographers on this site fill their portfolio with 20 images and 19 of them are just bad.  If you are a model and you dont feel you would get the "kind of images you need" by working with me than I would suggest giving you some advice.  Two of the models in my images are signed by Ford and I did much of their portfolio work.  Who are YOU signed with ?  How do YOU know what kind of images you need ? 
I guess maybe my problem was that my standards are too high for the models on this site and they are just used to working with low end photographers.   I have a very "built up port" but I am afraid 99% of the models on here wouldnt know the difference.  Now please....flame away

Standard rule of thumb for a 'real' portfolio:

Strongest image first.
Strongest image last.
Nothing but your strongest work in the middle.

Does that describe your portfolio?

(It doesn't describe my MM one; I use MM more as a rolling set of examples rather than only my best work.)

Kinetic Photography wrote:
Okay, I was on MM for a year before and I got one model to show up.  I have now been here again for 2 months and not a single call.  Personally, I think there is something wrong with the people on this site.  All other sites I get models to show up everyday if I wanted.

what are these other sites, I woulc be interested!

and nice work!!

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I will be leaving soon.  However, when I realized that this site doesnt work for me and getting models then I decided to just post in the forums.  Its been fun but I guess i'll be leaving soon.

Things don't add up here!

If you do all that fantastic work for those clients and Ford etc., why are you so desperate trying to find models on an internet site?

I mean, I shoot for agencies, I have a ton of clients, but I don't even expect or pursue Model Mayhems membership as a source of my income.

It's simply networking and fun.

I have several working colleagues (fashion, runway, editorial, commercial and journalistic photographers) who are my friends,  who do exactly the same... just fun.

So, either you are the type of photographer you tell us you are, or you embellished your credentials in this thread, either to cover up, or as it was mentioned... trolling for your amusement.

Toodles

P.S.: If this is indeed your photo, it's VERY nice! And I believe that she is with Ford, because she also looks like someone who came to one of our castings for the Couture FW... actually, I may have taken her shot for our records, or I shot her on the runway:

BlindMike wrote:
Screw this site - I mail order for my models. Shipping is a bitch but at least I get what I want.

Christopher b Smyth wrote:
What about packaging. Must be tough wrapping them.

Bubble wrap and peanuts works pretty well. I got this one on sale.

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I will be leaving soon.  However, when I realized that this site doesnt work for me and getting models then I decided to just post in the forums.  Its been fun but I guess i'll be leaving soon.

There will be many a dry eye when you leave here.

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I will be leaving soon.  However, when I realized that this site doesnt work for me and getting models then I decided to just post in the forums.  Its been fun but I guess i'll be leaving soon.

What is really great about your soon departure????....It will be like you were never here...

Be sure you notify Tyler or a moderator to have your account deleted to free up bandwidth.

UdoR wrote:

Things don't add up here!

If you do all that fantastic work for those clients and Ford etc., why are you so desperate trying to find models on an internet site?

I mean, I shoot for agencies, I have a ton of clients, but I don't even expect or pursue Model Mayhems membership as a source of my income.

It's simply networking and fun.

I have several working colleagues (fashion, runway, editorial, commercial and journalistic photographers) who are my friends,  who do exactly the same... just fun.

So, either you are the type of photographer you tell us you are, or you embellished your credentials in this thread, either to cover up, or as it was mentioned... trolling for your amusement.

Toodles

P.S.: If this is indeed your photo, it's VERY nice! And I believe that she is with Ford, because she also looks like someone who came to one of our castings for the Couture FW... actually, I may have taken her shot for our records, or I shot her on the runway:

I am not desperatly trying to find models here.  I contact some and vice versa.  Photography is a hobby for me but at times I have used it as a source of income.  Now that I have a job that pays more than any photographer makes I dont solicit work like I did before.  However, I am always intrugued by new models and occasionaly I take a project that interests me.  I dont work for Ford, I have shot two models that ended up getting signed by Ford and ONCE I was asked by them to work with one of the models AGAIN to enchance her portfolio.

UdoR wrote:

Things don't add up here!

If you do all that fantastic work for those clients and Ford etc., why are you so desperate trying to find models on an internet site?

I mean, I shoot for agencies, I have a ton of clients, but I don't even expect or pursue Model Mayhems membership as a source of my income.

It's simply networking and fun.

I have several working colleagues (fashion, runway, editorial, commercial and journalistic photographers) who are my friends,  who do exactly the same... just fun.

So, either you are the type of photographer you tell us you are, or you embellished your credentials in this thread, either to cover up, or as it was mentioned... trolling for your amusement.

Toodles

P.S.: If this is indeed your photo, it's VERY nice! And I believe that she is with Ford, because she also looks like someone who came to one of our castings for the Couture FW... actually, I may have taken her shot for our records, or I shot her on the runway:

Well done! Well done indeed. Now that's a reply worth noting. I have photographer friends, some here, who are of the same mindset. One of them laughed at me while telling me he wouldn't dare put his best work on Model Mayhem or...that other place

He went on to say that he did post a series he was working on a while ago, in black and white, then he started noticing a lot of black and white images on the hobbyists' portfolios. SOME of them exactly like his in composition.

So, why would Model Mayhem be your Primary source? That's my question as well then luv.

I can't see your pictures but I trust people who can. Five gorgeous images, but nothing flashy. Young Models (present company excluded please) are like crows. They are drawn to the shiny things. **bling!** Provided that is who you are searching for, if not, then maybe you are in the wrong place.

Your images do speak for themselves...if one knows what they are lookng at.

Kinetic Photography wrote:

I am not desperatly trying to find models here.  I contact some and vice versa.  Photography is a hobby for me but at times I have used it as a source of income.  Now that I have a job that pays more than any photographer makes I dont solicit work like I did before.  However, I am always intrugued by new models and occasionaly I take a project that interests me.  I dont work for Ford, I have shot two models that ended up getting signed by Ford and ONCE I was asked by them to work with one of the models AGAIN to enchance her portfolio.

LOL Kinetic.  You're funny!

Melissa Lynnette wrote:

LOL Kinetic.  You're funny!

thanks.....i think ?

Kinetic Photography wrote:
Okay, I was on MM for a year before and I got one model to show up.  I have now been here again for 2 months and not a single call.  Personally, I think there is something wrong with the people on this site.  All other sites I get models to show up everyday if I wanted.

Perhaps models read your posts?

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I dont have a g/f right now.  What I had in mind was some pictures and then maybe some hanky panky.  If interested please message me[...]

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I dont have a g/f right now.  What I had in mind was some pictures and then maybe some hanky panky.  If interested please message me[...]

Oh snap. So that's how it's done . . .

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I will be leaving soon.  However, when I realized that this site doesnt work for me and getting models then I decided to just post in the forums.  Its been fun but I guess i'll be leaving soon.

*looks down at watch* *looks at watch again*
Is he gone yet???

gsvb wrote:
The Only way you are gonna get a Model to turn up GUARANTEED is by going to an Agency
Honestly...To use the internet as a source of talent either it be from a Model or a Photographer is not going to be fruitful for either Party

Trust me, I followed "gsvb" advice and has made all of the difference in the world!  Internet sites are not at all filled with people who do this for a living or filled with people who are professional.  Of course there are exceptions to this rule,,,,,but they are exceptions!

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I have messaged about 35 models about doing a shoot.  10 have messaged me.  I have given my number to about 20 models.  Of those 20 models I have given my number too NONE have called.  If I give my number to 20 models on "other" sites I will get at least 10 calls and 3-4 would show up.  I posted a casting call and NO ONE responded.

maybe the port you show is different on the 'other sites' or the gals responding do not expect as much from a photographer
have you thought of that?

Kevin Connery wrote:

Perhaps models read your posts?

Roger that. And:

Kinetic Photography wrote:
My guess is you didnt even vote like the rest of the lame ass liberal cry babies here.  You like to open your mouth and spew like an asshole but you are afraid to vote and afraid to say who you voted for.  Typical:

Samantha Grace wrote:
Guess what Renee he is gone! I think someone gave him the boot. It is about time. I doubt he is who is claims to be. Heck, for all we know those images were stolen from another modeling site. They could have been his, and he was just lucky enough to shoot the models he did.  If anything I have a feeling he was a troll. Maybe a bored 19 year old kid. If he was a grown adult, I really feel sorry for him. I cannot see a grown adult posting such childish things, with such incomplete thoughs behind it.

As for his attacks, no need to worry. I must be beautiful enough to be able to model full time. I wouldn't be in this business, if I couldn't handle someone who does not like my look. For every person who hates my look, I work with five more people who love it. The typical model get rejected all the time. She has to have enough confidence to move on.

Lol! Anybody crazy enough to pick a fight with you (and especially after you so sincerely tried to help him) needs to be doing other things....

Renee Jacobs wrote:

Lol! Anybody crazy enough to pick a fight with you (and especially after you so sincerely tried to help him) needs to be doing other things....

I know seriously, I mean come on. I really wish we could have found the village as well. Most of MM was runny with torches into the mayhem night.
Talking about morons , Did you know on AIM I have a group named lost morons.

This is one of the times I would like to say, I wish the grass was emo... so it would cut itself. I find it funny at least.

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I have messaged about 35 models about doing a shoot.  10 have messaged me.  I have given my number to about 20 models.  Of those 20 models I have given my number too NONE have called.  If I give my number to 20 models on "other" sites I will get at least 10 calls and 3-4 would show up.  I posted a casting call and NO ONE responded.

Kinetic Photography wrote:
Okay, I was on MM for a year before and I got one model to show up.  I have now been here again for 2 months and not a single call.  Personally, I think there is something wrong with the people on this site.  All other sites I get models to show up everyday if I wanted.

Are you less of a jerk on the other sites?

Rena wrote:
Don't blame the site itself when no one else seems to be having these problems.

She's pretty and smart.

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I dont work for Ford, I have shot two models that ended up getting signed by Ford and ONCE I was asked by them to work with one of the models AGAIN to enchance her portfolio.

Did you find her a good photographer to do it with?

Kinetic Photography wrote:

thanks.....i think ?

You probably do, but you're not very good at it.

Daniela V wrote:
She's pretty and smart.

lol Thanks doll!

Kinetic Photography wrote:
I will be leaving soon.  However, when I realized that this site doesnt work for me and getting models then I decided to just post in the forums.  Its been fun but I guess i'll be leaving soon.

darn, for someone that doesn't even like this site gotz more posts than I do... 

Daniela V wrote:

Are you less of a jerk on the other sites?

Took the words right out of my mouth