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Outa Control 15 Yr Old at Pro Shoot
Keeping in mind that in these days and times - most Supermodels are discovered in their mid teens ( Ie Gemma Ward , Karolina Kurkova etc ) One of my stylest friends had an interesting experience /moral dilemna the other day at a large ( multi model ) Fashion shoot she was coordinating ..... One the models particiapting in the shoot was a relatively new /but stunningly beautiful and tall 15 year old .... A model who - in the stylest views has great potential based on her look ....( shs is already signed with a mid sized local agency ) However it soon became apparant to every one involved that girls emotional maturity did not match her physical maturity ...and the whole photo shoot went to her head very quickly ...She started flashing the photog showing off her recent nipple piercings , she told the gay hairstylest that she was going to convert him to hetrosexuality . and when posed with one of the other female models - the 15 yrs started carressing her arms in a very sapphic fashion ( personally I am wondering if thsi girls modelling training consisted of watching that Gia movie ) According to my stylest friend she had to spend much of the shoot keeping the 15 yr old under control - but in the same breathe tells me that the girls photos turned out "Amazing " and there was not a bad shot of her ... Now my stylest friend wants to cast the 15 year old in an Edgy Fashion show we are working togehter on for later the month ... (and is recommending also that I do a creative shoot with her ) ......to which I am thinking- either - wont that just be like adding gasoline to the fire? OR what if she becomes the next big thing .....( and wouldnt I just kick myself if I passed on her ) So a bit of a dilemna ,no ? Oct 05 06 10:20 pm Link  Oct 05 06 10:24 pm Link Garry k wrote: Oct 05 06 10:26 pm Link Sounds very interesting.. I'd say be very, very careful. Is all that pain and trouble really worth it? If you believe in her that much, then go for it, and just deal with it as you go. Thats just my 2 cents. Oct 05 06 10:27 pm Link There is no dilema. Hold to your values and you point the camera, crop the images in your camera and be assertive with what the under age model is doing. Under age is under age and images years old can come to light and bite if they are inappropriate. If she has that kind of energy and presense she should adapt and continue to produce exceptional stuff. Oct 05 06 10:29 pm Link The wild ones make the best pictures. Oct 05 06 10:34 pm Link Fotogene wrote: Teh dilemna is more about casting her in the fashion show ( which itself will be a wild and crazy rock and roll style niteclub event in front of a fashion crowd of 400 plus ) than me personally photographing her Oct 05 06 10:35 pm Link Keep her away from the bar by making her mother come to the party. Oct 05 06 10:36 pm Link Ahh... Teenage girls. I have a 16 year old son. His girlfriends range from 15 to 18. They are outta' control! He'll bring one home and she's all over him right in front of me. I know teenagers do their 'thang'. But gawd! Not in front of me, PLEASE! They don't even care. When I was that age I woulda' never in front of my boyfriends parents. These crazy kids! Lol... *I'm praying my son does not make me a grandma at 34* Yeah, I got a little off topic. Oct 05 06 10:40 pm Link I've helped out with a few fashion shows locally (no real agencies in the San Juaquine valley). We had one show with a first time model and her attitude messed up the other models feelings, made the designer look bad with her behavior. The model represents the clothes and the company image. We were sorry we ever picked her and will never use her again. It was horrifying. She was mouthing off loudly and made an ass out of herself P.S. Now when they're picked for a show all the models are read the riot act on how to behave from the time when they arrive for prep til they leave the show. Oct 05 06 11:08 pm Link 15 year old with nipple rings. Even if your parents signed off on it, isnt it illegal for someone who isnt a doctor to even touch her there Oct 05 06 11:11 pm Link Maxwell Digital Art wrote: It's Canada. They have no morals or american flags, or even hot dogs there. Oct 05 06 11:13 pm Link Ched wrote: And i'll tell something else, their beer sucks! Canadian Bacon Oct 05 06 11:14 pm Link Maxwell Digital Art wrote: I love an ice cold Molson Ice! Oct 05 06 11:21 pm Link Garry k wrote: If you use her, I recommend her parent be present at all times, along with your stylest friend (they may not be aware of the girl's behavior). And also be VERY prepared to can her butt if she gets way out of line. She needs to mature to get bookings and has to realize this. If you have to dump her, explain to her and her parent why. The better models don't throw their shit around, so why should you be a splatter board? After all, if she was working at a job, how long would she last? Oct 05 06 11:27 pm Link Boy I hope all of those Canadian shots were sarcastic.... all I can tell you is that body piercing, like tattooing, is illegal here when you are a minor BUT unlike tattooing your parents can sign a waiver and then you can be pierced, likely because it's not permanent. Oct 05 06 11:29 pm Link ...with that attitude, it doesn't sound like she has much of a future in (fashion) modeling if she is not already established. Oct 05 06 11:36 pm Link Um, someone needs to knock that (insert derogatory female word of your choice here) on her ass and let her know there are over a hundred thousand aspiring models just on MM alone (male and female) much less other sites that could take her place. Had I been the MUA and the photographer, I'd walked. There's nothing worth that stress and BS. Nemi Oct 05 06 11:37 pm Link Rossi Photography wrote: Have you shown him how to put a condom on a banana? (just kidding Jodie!) Oct 05 06 11:42 pm Link If she is that stunning find a way to make it work. Oct 05 06 11:44 pm Link Seems like it always comes down to the same thing: "but she is gorgeous". So why does being good looking allow for unprofessional behaviour. Your stylist friend should have sat her down, with her parents and told her to cut the crap. Then I would have phoned the agency and said what she was like. I doubt the agency wants to represent someone like her. There is no need for more a*holes in the industry. We have enough photographers and models that think their sh*t does not stink. I would not work with her even if she was the second coming of Christ, until she wised up. Oct 05 06 11:53 pm Link Garry k wrote: Modesty and fashion Do not go well together... Maxwell Digital Art wrote: Where the heck did you get that law from? Oct 06 06 12:40 am Link I think the dude who pierced my nipples was named Doc. Does that count? I'm Batman. Oct 06 06 12:46 am Link Ched wrote: Oh our sled dogs get a bit warm in the summer months... Oct 06 06 12:50 am Link Huskie with the works! Oct 06 06 12:53 am Link I'm sure we have one American flag in Ottawa somewhere, but you're right about the morals - wanna smoke some pot? Oct 06 06 12:57 am Link Dudley Watson wrote: I would guess until she showed a customer her nipple rings while handing him the fries. Oct 06 06 06:23 am Link Image K wrote: I always wondered about that... and the gag about it is 100 yers old. Guy: "Doc, you know we already have 6 kids and really don't want any more. Can you help me out?" I can see it comming. Kid girl gets pregnant but the kid swears that he damn well did put that condon on a bannana. So what went wrong? Oct 06 06 06:33 am Link Here's the test - hand her a cellphone and see if she chucks it at someone's head. If she does, then she's gold  Oct 06 06 06:36 am Link Use her shoot her let her do her thing. Have her parent there and maybe for your protection video the shoot with their knowledge. She just may be the one. It's like escorts really, Do nothing out of the way and you have nothing to worry about. If she is all that let her show it within reason. just my 50 pence. Oct 06 06 06:55 am Link Sounds like someone needs a reality check.... As a professional I control what goes on during a shoot. That's why clients pay me. To produce results. I've worked with models as young as eleven. Yes, youth is exhubrient and yes young girls like having fun. However if their intentions of becoming working professional models are in their future it is up to you to make them understand YOUR limits, not adjust to theirs. While I encourage models to have fun in front of the camera....it is at my direction and controlled in such a way to produce results not general mayhem with you hoping to walk away with good photos. Hope doesn't even enter into it. My first instruction to any model I work with.....a photo shoot is like a baseball game....you are allowed three screw-ups....then like baseball once you use your three strikes....you are OUT! No amount of pleading or please, please, please will change it....I will never work with you again or recommend you to anyone else. Do not allow your reputation as a professional to be dicatated by the actions of a very immature model. Oct 06 06 07:56 am Link -Do it. The images last a lot longer than the irritation. And if she is the next Shalom/Eve/Christy, you'll be very happy you did. -Ask her parents to come. She won't be flashing her nipples then! They could shut down her career instantly. -Oh, and American beer-drinkers insulting OUR beer? Pardon me while I LMAO:-) Did WE invent Old Milwaukee and COlt 45? Gahhh... Oct 06 06 08:39 am Link Where were her parents at the shoot the stylist was talking about? Did anybody at that shoot bring up to her parents or to whoever picked her up or to her agency that this 15 year old CHILD not only flashed her breasts but made sexual advances toward someone? I'm surprised anybody would think about using her again. The reason agencies will drop a model at the drop of a hat is because there is always some other aspiring model who is just as good if not better. No matter what she looks like I'm sure you can find someone better. Oct 06 06 08:43 am Link Garry k wrote: Some of the best looking are some of the biggest pains in the ass! Oct 06 06 08:45 am Link A lot of people in creative industries are weird, crazy, and sometimes brilliant. I'm no fan of working with jerks or immature people, but I've sure done my share of it over the years, in all walks of life. My opinion is that, if this girl really has the look and a chance of making it big, you're better off working with her and trying to help train her and teach her along the way. If you don't, someone else surely will. Look at it like other industries where the stars are very young, e.g., athletics, actors, etc. People who learn how to work with their immaturity and, hopefully, bring them along, are successful and often handsomely rewarded for their efforts. Having raised two daughters, all 15 year old girls are fundamentally nuts. Eventually they grow up to be women....I think I'll stop at that. Oct 06 06 08:48 am Link Garry k wrote: I would not want to be within ten miles of a fifteen year old flashing her breasts. If that is typical of her behaviour I would pass. Oct 06 06 08:50 am Link I would love to see this young Prima Donna. Is she really all that. Oct 06 06 08:52 am Link James Jackson wrote: Because they can get away with it. From whatever age they first manifest that beauty, people are friendly, nicer, and put up with more from them. They have no idea what the limits are for 'other' people. Beauty is power, in a social context, and power corrupts:-) Oct 06 06 08:54 am Link I had a similar situation with a model, only she was hitting me through out the shoot and attempting to rub against me, and when she saw me sitting in a chair she ran over and gave me a mini-lap dance. I'm gona be honest with you... Some girls are just immature... this 15 year old is aware of her looks, and her sex-appeal, and from today's society examples its attractive and "sexy" to act in the way she was acting. We all know that throughout life we're gona work with people we don't like, or whos behavior we don't agree with, but sometimes you just gota take one for the team and get your stuff done. If this girl is as good as your saying she is... just take the pictures. If shes rowdy, basically all you have to do is point out her behavior in a nice way to maybe embarass her a little, and I am sure she will change her tune... I'm only 23 and I know that when I was 15 the last thing I wanted was to be embarassed by someone bec/ my immaturity was obvious. I say go for it, your takin pictures of the girl, not vowing to be life long friends... Oct 06 06 08:58 am Link Miles Chandler wrote: I agree, and it's often funny how many people on the periphery of a shoot are just as beautiful as the model but either won't admit it to themselves and others, or will make a blatant effort to hide it in some way. Miles Chandler wrote: Definitely all generalizations. This does *NOT* mean 100% of beautiful people or late bloomers follow these characteristics, it just seems to be enough to establish the trend. Oct 06 06 08:58 am Link |
