Photographer
Gallery Row Studio
Posts: 202
Lakewood, Ohio, US
I did a fashion TFCD shoot with a model, and now she wants to get all the pix from it to see if she can find something else for her book than what I have already picked and retouched (about 25 shots, some of them you can see in my port at the top). She says it's OK that they are not retouched, she just wants to see some more poses, etc. I think it's not OK, as the light was far from perfect (outdoors hoot) and I had to do quite a bit of levels, curves, contrast, etc. to make it look good. I care about my reputation as a photog and I am not crazy about the idea. However, she is really bugging me now:)))) What would you do? HELP!  )
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 26342
Portland, Oregon, US
Simple -- just deliver what you negotiated before the sitting. You did clarify what each party gets, didn't you?
Photographer
dfstudios
Posts: 392
Mill Valley, California, US
If the shots are truly no good, just erase them. We all erase shots from the card as we are going along during a shoot, what's the difference?
Photographer
oldguysrule
Posts: 6129
what was agreed?
if nothing how was this a trade project?
model gave you time
you provide what?
that should be documented
in addition, as part of this arrangement you will be providing the model with a limited use license for the images she receives
providing all the images shot is problematic for alot of reasons -- not the least of which is many models' penchant for picking out the worst possible image because the others of that pose appear to her to show back fat or some such thing. noone shoots a 1-to-1 ratio of useable work. noone.
there is no hard and fast rule or industry standard for how many images. that is why it has to be discussed and agreed with each shoot. if you failed to discuss, it's gonna get nasty.
best of luck
Publication
Kandigirlz BODY Magazine
Posts: 32
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I typically give models a disk of the whole shoot, but I can understand why a photographer would limit the shots he may give to a model in a tfcd. Your name is attached to every image you put out there. models may not understand that. It should be as mutual as possible, the choices of which pics go out. HOLLA!!
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21528
Chicago, Illinois, US
Giving a model all of any shoot could spell trouble so don't. You pick the best
images. You give her what you wouldn't mind being shown on-line, etc.
I also think that photographers are playing with fire providing models with
Raw files and images. You must control your product.
Model
MelissaLynnette LaDiva
Posts: 50816
Leawood, Kansas, US
Wait. You've already retouched 25 photos for her and she wants more?! That's easy. Tell her sorry, but that will not be possible. I assume you came to an agreement beforehand and therefore, that's all there is. 25 should be plenty.
Model
Vegas Sarah Ashley
Posts: 833
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I personally always require photographers to give me a copy of all images done from a shoot for two reasons:
1. Same as your model- to see if there are any other images that may be beneficial to my portfolio.
2. Also, I know what images you, the photographer, have in your possession, so if anything pops up in the future (ie my face on a naked body), I know where it came from and who shot it.
This may seem inconvenient or silly to you, but perhaps you can express your concern for having "unapproved" or "unedited" images you took used for her portfolio, as it may tarnish your reputation. Same goes for her side of the deal, she wouldn't want you to use unapproved images of herself.......
Photographer
CLT
Posts: 12979
Winchester, Virginia, US
Olesja Mueller wrote:
I did a fashion TFCD shoot with a model, and now she wants to get all the pix from it to see if she can find something else for her book than what I have already picked and retouched (about 25 shots, some of them you can see in my port at the top). She says it's OK that they are not retouched, she just wants to see some more poses, etc. I think it's not OK, as the light was far from perfect (outdoors hoot) and I had to do quite a bit of levels, curves, contrast, etc. to make it look good.
I care about my reputation as a photog and I am not crazy about the idea. However, she is really bugging me now:)))) What would you do?
HELP!) tell her to come by your studio, where you'll show her all the shots one by one on your computer. If she sees something she absolutely must have, you'll edit that picture for her either for a price or good word-of-mouth. In the end, she doesn't take anything that's not edited.
Photographer
Chi - Rue99 Photography
Posts: 1838
San Francisco, California, US
oldguysrule wrote:
not the least of which is many models' penchant for picking out the worst possible image because the others of that pose appear to her to show back fat or some such thing. This amazes me too and it's happened so many times. Give 3 photos of the same look, and they'll pick the worst.
Photographers pick the best of what's not obviously flawed, whereas many models use what's left after discarding anything with a flaw.
Nonetheless, I give the whole CD. With no reputation, I might as well make the model happy.
Photographer
Dee
Posts: 3004
Toledo, Ohio, US
Here is how I do TFP...
I shoot...when we are done, we go to my office and I skip through the images on the computer..After they go home I go through them and adjust my favorites and send them via email that night usually..Then when I am done picking my favs usually around 7-10 (but the last shoot I picked out 17 and could still find more) anyway..Then I resize every image from the shoot 72 dpi and around 400x600 set to medium quality..then I send an email to model with usernam,e and password so they can look at all of them...they dont get to use them, in the email i make sure they know this is for proofing only..then I let them pick their 10 favs and do those and then send out their cd with all of the editted web ready versions. I put the best 2 images from the shoot in high res so they can print them for their portfolio too...
I have never had a problem yet!!
hope it helps....my model release says all of this and I also have a whole packet I give them explaining the way things work and they initial it so I know they understand...`
Photographer
Mike Tossy
Posts: 10
Santa Cruz, California, US
Olesja Mueller wrote:
I did a fashion TFCD shoot with a model, and now she wants to get all the pix from it to see if she can find something else for her book than what I have already picked and retouched (about 25 shots, some of them you can see in my port at the top). She says it's OK that they are not retouched, she just wants to see some more poses, etc. I think it's not OK, as the light was far from perfect (outdoors hoot) and I had to do quite a bit of levels, curves, contrast, etc. to make it look good.
I care about my reputation as a photog and I am not crazy about the idea. However, she is really bugging me now:)))) What would you do?
HELP!) You should keep sub-standard images out of circulation, But, you might compromise by giving her low res versions that she could review for poses etc. I would grant these under a different license so that she sees in writing that she can't otherwise use them.
Photographer
IrisSwope
Posts: 14857
Dallas, Texas, US
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
I personally always require photographers to give me a copy of all images done from a shoot for two reasons:
1. Same as your model- to see if there are any other images that may be beneficial to my portfolio.
2. Also, I know what images you, the photographer, have in your possession, so if anything pops up in the future (ie my face on a naked body), I know where it came from and who shot it.
This may seem inconvenient or silly to you, but perhaps you can express your concern for having "unapproved" or "unedited" images you took used for her portfolio, as it may tarnish your reputation. Same goes for her side of the deal, she wouldn't want you to use unapproved images of herself....... ^^ Paranoid....
1. There's plenty of nude models....no one needs to take the time to paste your head on a body.
2. Who's to say that someone didn't download an image from your port, and paste your head on a naked body.
3. Paranoid
Photographer
Jay Bowman
Posts: 6511
Los Angeles, California, US
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
I personally always require photographers to give me a copy of all images done from a shoot for two reasons:
1. Same as your model- to see if there are any other images that may be beneficial to my portfolio.
2. Also, I know what images you, the photographer, have in your possession, so if anything pops up in the future (ie my face on a naked body), I know where it came from and who shot it.
This may seem inconvenient or silly to you, but perhaps you can express your concern for having "unapproved" or "unedited" images you took used for her portfolio, as it may tarnish your reputation. Same goes for her side of the deal, she wouldn't want you to use unapproved images of herself....... Clearly you underestimate the vast number of drop-dead gorgeous models who are willing and eager to do nudes -from artistic to erotic to explicit- on a trade.
Read: It's easier to get one of them and do some nudes than to shoot you clothed then turn around and slice off your head in photoshop, plaster it on a body taking it in the ::insert miscellaneous oriface here:: and superimpose a ::insert random appendage here:: in your ear.
That happens to celebrities perhaps, but unlikely with the common model. Unless you're famous, I'd say you're more likely to win the lottery and immediately be struck by lightning.
While reviewing the results of my shoots, I will throw images in the never-see-the-light-of-day pile for a number of different reasons. I always tell the models with whom I work: "If you don't see a certain image from the shoot, trust me, it's because you wouldn't want to see it." If I shoot 60 frames and decide that 40 aren't worth showing, the 20 that are left will be worth it.
Besides, what will you really do with all the shots? For any given look, you only want the best one. The rest go unused...
Model
Vegas Sarah Ashley
Posts: 833
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Iris Swope wrote:
^^ Paranoid....
1. There's plenty of nude models....no one needs to take the time to paste your head on a body.
2. Who's to say that someone didn't download an image from your port, and paste your head on a naked body.
3. Paranoid It is perfectly reasonable to be paranoid in this field....yes, there are many nude models, however not many who want their faces posted on the infamous Las Vegas calling cards or even escort advertisements. Also, yes they could easily download an images from my port, however, at least me or my photographer can pursue legal action. I could understand if this kind of thing never happened, but it does, perhaps more so in Las Vegas and I know photographers even listed on this website who have that reputation......I feel I am justified. However, it is ONLY my opinion.
Model
Alex
Posts: 306
San Francisco, California, US
I like to see all the shots taken so that can study my poses and expressions.
You both shot for free so unless you aranged otherwise I think it would be unethical of you and an abuse of your power to erase the images before letting the model see them.
When I do tfp/cd I expect a cd with all the original images from the shoot and then the photographer's pick edited. this is the norm. In future if you plan on doing otherwise, lay it out to the model before shooting, not after.
Photographer
IrisSwope
Posts: 14857
Dallas, Texas, US
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
It is perfectly reasonable to be paranoid in this field....yes, there are many nude models, however not many who want their faces posted on the infamous Las Vegas calling cards or even escort advertisements. Also, yes they could easily download an images from my port, however, at least me or my photographer can pursue legal action. I could understand if this kind of thing never happened, but it does, perhaps more so in Las Vegas and I know photographers even listed on this website who have that reputation......I feel I am justified. However, it is ONLY my opinion. I do understand what you're saying, but...
Just because you have a copy of the photos, how does that keep the photographer from using that photo anyhow?
Photographer
Jay Farrell
Posts: 13408
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Tony Lawrence wrote:
Giving a model all of any shoot could spell trouble so don't. You pick the best
images. You give her what you wouldn't mind being shown on-line, etc.
I also think that photographers are playing with fire providing models with
Raw files and images. You must control your product. Exactly. You gave her more than enough, what the hell good are dirty files going to do? She wants to see them? Invite her over to look and learn.....releasing them, no way. You lose all control of what goes out there with your name on it. What did you agree on up front? My answer to her would be, I did my part, come over to see the rest, then my job is done. BYE
Model
Vegas Sarah Ashley
Posts: 833
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Iris Swope wrote:
I do understand what you're saying, but...
Just because you have a copy of the photos, how does that keep the photographer from using that photo anyhow? I always read my releases very carefully before I even shoot with a photographer and I ALWAYS reserve the right to approve images that are used for any reason (this sometimes means writing a new release), so if that photographer uses images of me, or a part of an image of me, then I can pursue legal action. Hopefully, taking precautions such as this will ensure that this never happens to me and I will always seem paranoid but it is better than being sorry!!!!
Photographer
StratMan
Posts: 684
Detroit, Michigan, US
Alex wrote:
I like to see all the shots taken so that can study my poses and expressions.
You both shot for free so unless you aranged otherwise I think it would be unethical of you and an abuse of your power to erase the images before letting the model see them.
When I do tfp/cd I expect a cd with all the original images from the shoot and then the photographer's pick edited. this is the norm. In future if you plan on doing otherwise, lay it out to the model before shooting, not after. This not an abuse of "power"...clearly this model is trying to use her perceived power to demand all images, which is bs in my opinion. I always delete files while editing, so I don't have to even see them again if I know they will not be used for prints/portfolio, etc..
The Photographer OWNS the images, not th emodel, unless the model paid the photographer, and it was a "work for hire" agreement. at best, the model would receive low-res jpegs, too small to print for quality. The model does NOT get MY raw files. But, there are photographers out there dumb enough to hand over everything without payment or an agreement stating those conditions. The photog owns the images he/she shoots, he/she CAN delete them as well. It frees up mucho space on harddrives also.
mi dos centavos..
Strat
Photographer
Jay Farrell
Posts: 13408
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
I always read my releases very carefully before I even shoot with a photographer and I ALWAYS reserve the right to approve images that are used for any reason (this sometimes means writing a new release), so if that photographer uses images of me, or a part of an image of me, then I can pursue legal action. Hopefully, taking precautions such as this will ensure that this never happens to me and I will always seem paranoid but it is better than being sorry!!!! Plenty of models out there aren't that demanding and pushy.....it's not your place to require anything from a photographer except what is agreed upon and in his or her release....yes you are correct to understand that release.......but..........unless you are paying them, and they do what the release says, it's none of your business....... they are the copyright holder. My response to your approach would be "thank you for your time, have a great day and good luck."
Photographer
RickHorowitzPhotography
Posts: 513
Fresno, California, US
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
It is perfectly reasonable to be paranoid in this field....yes, there are many nude models, however not many who want their faces posted on the infamous Las Vegas calling cards or even escort advertisements. Also, yes they could easily download an images from my port, however, at least me or my photographer can pursue legal action. I could understand if this kind of thing never happened, but it does, perhaps more so in Las Vegas and I know photographers even listed on this website who have that reputation......I feel I am justified. However, it is ONLY my opinion. Just out of curiosity, why do you think -- serious question here; I'm not making fun of you -- that anyone would WANT to put your head on a naked body for some infamous Las Vegas calling card or escort advertisement?
If they have a shot of a naked body, it's very likely that body had a head on it already. Why bother to replace it with yours? And if the body had no head (and that's going to be your answer), why would anyone mess with that when there have to be somewhere around 3 quintillion images of naked women in the world?
Seriously, this just sounds like a not-very-good attempt at justification for an unreasonable demand. I guess for GWCs, this is fine. I can't imagine professional photographers giving a model EVERY photo from a shoot. Heck, I don't even keep every photo from a shoot for myself!
Photographer
Kruse Images
Posts: 92
ST JOHN, Mississippi, US
I never "give" the model all the images from a tf/cd shoot. I provide a password protected website that has all the images from the shoot on it and let them pick the ones they want me to edit for them. It saves time editing ones they don't want, I do suggest the ones that I think would be best....rarely do they like those though.
I make the cd with at least 25 images of their choise, my contract/release states these terms and I make sure they read it before signing.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Solution: She stated that she just wanted to view the rest of the photos just so she can see if there's anything you overlooked, right? Then make a compromise with her. Upload a gallery with all of the photos with the word "PROOF" prominently printed on each photo.. (not in a place where it can easily be cropped out. Across the middle of the photos should suffice. Just make the text semi-transparent so she can see the entire photo, but prominent enough to discourage her from downloading them. Also, make the images too small to be worth a shit. 300X?. From those allow her to choose the ones she wants edited.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
I personally always require photographers to give me a copy of all images done from a shoot for two reasons:
1. Same as your model- to see if there are any other images that may be beneficial to my portfolio.
2. Also, I know what images you, the photographer, have in your possession, so if anything pops up in the future (ie my face on a naked body), I know where it came from and who shot it.
This may seem inconvenient or silly to you, but perhaps you can express your concern for having "unapproved" or "unedited" images you took used for her portfolio, as it may tarnish your reputation. Same goes for her side of the deal, she wouldn't want you to use unapproved images of herself....... RE: (ie my face on a naked body)
You're not famous. Doing this and making it look realistic is a helluva lot more work than I personally want to do. Especially if you're not famous. What's the benefit? Nothing.. Just a lot of extra work when I could just have worked with a nude model to begin with.
Photographer
oldguysrule
Posts: 6129
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
I personally always require photographers to give me a copy of all images done from a shoot for two reasons:
1. Same as your model- to see if there are any other images that may be beneficial to my portfolio.
2. Also, I know what images you, the photographer, have in your possession, so if anything pops up in the future (ie my face on a naked body), I know where it came from and who shot it.
This may seem inconvenient or silly to you, but perhaps you can express your concern for having "unapproved" or "unedited" images you took used for her portfolio, as it may tarnish your reputation. Same goes for her side of the deal, she wouldn't want you to use unapproved images of herself....... if you can negotiate for all images all the more power to you. however, the trade is your time in return for images. you dont normally get approval over what/how the selection of images the photographer or client uses.
i don't give that right to any model.
Photographer
oldguysrule
Posts: 6129
Dee wrote:
Here is how I do TFP...
I shoot...when we are done, we go to my office and I skip through the images on the computer..After they go home I go through them and adjust my favorites and send them via email that night usually..Then when I am done picking my favs usually around 7-10 (but the last shoot I picked out 17 and could still find more) anyway..Then I resize every image from the shoot 72 dpi and around 400x600 set to medium quality..then I send an email to model with usernam,e and password so they can look at all of them...they dont get to use them, in the email i make sure they know this is for proofing only..then I let them pick their 10 favs and do those and then send out their cd with all of the editted web ready versions. I put the best 2 images from the shoot in high res so they can print them for their portfolio too...
I have never had a problem yet!!
hope it helps....my model release says all of this and I also have a whole packet I give them explaining the way things work and they initial it so I know they understand...` the digital contact sheet is a good method for all concerned.
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21528
Chicago, Illinois, US
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
I personally always require photographers to give me a copy of all images done from a shoot for two reasons:
1. Same as your model- to see if there are any other images that may be beneficial to my portfolio.
2. Also, I know what images you, the photographer, have in your possession, so if anything pops up in the future (ie my face on a naked body), I know where it came from and who shot it.
This may seem inconvenient or silly to you, but perhaps you can express your concern for having "unapproved" or "unedited" images you took used for her portfolio, as it may tarnish your reputation. Same goes for her side of the deal, she wouldn't want you to use unapproved images of herself....... Pardon my saying this but this is just goofy. There are thousands of willing
beautiful models ready to pose nude. Nobody is going to take your face and
photoshop it onto a nude model. If you are afraid of things like that happening
stop modeling and any photographer that hands over every image he takes is
either a fool, dumb or inexpirenced. Pros and serious hobbists understand every
image isn't a winner and its best NOT to have poor quality work floating around.
Photographer
Wayne M Photography
Posts: 145
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
If I might suggest, mind you my .02 cents was spent 3 days ago, how about a contact sheet. When I first got into photography I would shoot rolls and rolls of black & white. Go into the Dark Room and make contact sheets of every roll. Then I would show the person/model that I created the images with the contacts and we would pick what we thought was the best. I always gave some prints and we were all happy. If you are using Photoshop CS2 I believe that there is a selection under file or edit (someone here more familiar with Photoshop could probably point it out faster) that allows you to make contact sheets. A little ink, a few sheets of paper and Voila. Less time consuming than editing the whole shoot, Plus at 25 retouched images I believe you are in the realm of charging. Plus as many others have stated, what was in the release/contract/rights of usage agreement. But if you are feeling into still giving I would suggest the contact sheets
Wayne
Photographer
oldguysrule
Posts: 6129
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
Also, I know what images you, the photographer, have in your possession, so if anything pops up in the future (ie my face on a naked body), I know where it came from and who shot it. still shaking my head
and will add that if i'd shot an image that showed up in such a way i would point to the release and say tough.
so what's your point?
Photographer
C and J Photography
Posts: 1986
Hauula, Hawaii, US
If you aren't willing to delete the image you need to be willing to provide them to the model.
She has no right to images you deleted. You have no right to omages she did not get full resolution copies (jpeg) of.
Just my opinion.
Photographer
RRCPhoto
Posts: 548
Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
I always read my releases very carefully before I even shoot with a photographer and I ALWAYS reserve the right to approve images that are used for any reason (this sometimes means writing a new release), so if that photographer uses images of me, or a part of an image of me, then I can pursue legal action. Hopefully, taking precautions such as this will ensure that this never happens to me and I will always seem paranoid but it is better than being sorry!!!! The original OP was in regards to TFCD / TFP shoots - but your profile simply mentions rates...so does this mean that if a photographer photoshoots you and you receive monetary compensation - that you expect the right to review and approve images that the photographer may use - or are you talking about TFCD/TFP?
Photographer
rickspix
Posts: 1304
Vallejo, California, US
i would rather pay my models than do tfp or tfcd because my time is worth more to me. we already have to spend hours setting up and tearing down and then more hours on the computer doing levels and cleaning up files. i always pick the photos because my name is on them and even though i mostly pay my models i always send a selection of great photos that i know they can use.
i would NEVER give any model everything from a shoot. NEVER!!!!
Photographer
Boho Hobo
Posts: 25351
Santa Barbara, California, US
Sarah_LasVegas wrote:
I always read my releases very carefully before I even shoot with a photographer and I ALWAYS reserve the right to approve images that are used for any reason (this sometimes means writing a new release), so if that photographer uses images of me, or a part of an image of me, then I can pursue legal action. Hopefully, taking precautions such as this will ensure that this never happens to me and I will always seem paranoid but it is better than being sorry!!!! How come nearly everything I read on MM today sounds like a variation on the escort threads and reasoning, er, illogical logic?
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
I love it how these 19 & 20 yr olds who found this site and others like it via Myspace or something come in here after getting a wild hair up their ass and decide to be a model. They get this hairbrain idea that they know it all and then want to change the way things are done to suit their needs. Sorry. But are you modeling or are you just taking fucking pictures?
Photographer
RickHorowitzPhotography
Posts: 513
Fresno, California, US
ArtisticDigitalImages wrote:
If you aren't willing to delete the image you need to be willing to provide them to the model.
She has no right to images you deleted. You have no right to omages she did not get full resolution copies (jpeg) of.
Just my opinion. Opinion based on what?
The agreement is what controls who gets what. Most of the agreements I've seen give rights over the photos taken during the session, not rights only to those for which the model had also received a copy.
If a model can convince some silly photographer to give her all the unedited images from a shoot, more power to her. I sure would not do that. As has already been pointed out, it's not worth seeing one of my bad shots (and we all have them -- some just more than others) show up where I don't want it showing up. (And, uh, that would be "anywhere someone else could see it.")
When I attended a workshop put on by a pro on LA who primarily shoots for Playboy and Penthouse, he pointed out that for some shoots, they're shooting over a hundred rolls of film (this was before digital). The reason was that even this experienced professional knew that the more photos he shot, the more likely he'd get what he wanted.
With digital, you could -- for a real assignment, at least -- easily shoot hundreds of photos to get a handful you liked for the finished product. I sure wouldn't want to give away ALL the photos when I knew that I'd deliberately shot so many to avoid getting stuck with having to show anyone the bad ones!
Model
Keni
Posts: 301
Cary, Illinois, US
Let's face it, many times what a photographer wants from a TFP shoot is drastically different from what the model is hoping to get. I've had photographers PhotoShop into surealistic land, done extreme color changes and other edits that don't help me with my portfolio. Even the best photographers usually choose a shot, or shots, that are more extreme then what I can use. I "nicely" ask up front if the photographer would provide me a digital proof sheet so I can check all the photo's (haven't had one say no, yet). They are very low quality, and very small, but big enough to get a good idea of which are best. Usually they will send them to me via email right after the shoot and before they edit. Some have used an online service like Photobucket to post them with a password. The photographer can always veto one of my choices with an explanation - I understand that they don't want poor quality going out, and it is difficult to judge sometimes in a thumbnail. I understand that a photographer may not want to let a model see all the photos because some might not be good photos - over/under exposed, bad lighting, not in focus. It's TFP - purpose, to experiment with new techniques, lighting etc. I'm just looking for the 1 or 2 great shots for my book. See, easy solution. From what I have experienced, only takes a moment to accomplish, and everyone has wonderful photos.
Photographer
ChanStudio
Posts: 9219
Alpharetta, Georgia, US
I usually give all the photos to the model except any photos that is either:
blur, bad movement, bad composition, etc. I usually end up giving 80 to 90 percent of the photos to the model.
Ask her to sign a separate form stating that she doesn't has the right to modify any of the pic that you took. She doesn't has the right to sell any photos without your permission, etc.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28822
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Keni wrote:
Let's face it, many times what a photographer wants from a TFP shoot is drastically different from what the model is hoping to get. I've had photographers PhotoShop into surealistic land, done extreme color changes and other edits that don't help me with my portfolio. Even the best photographers usually choose a shot, or shots, that are more extreme then what I can use.
I "nicely" ask up front if the photographer would provide me a digital proof sheet so I can check all the photo's (haven't had one say no, yet). They are very low quality, and very small, but big enough to get a good idea of which are best. Usually they will send them to me via email right after the shoot and before they edit. Some have used an online service like Photobucket to post them with a password. The photographer can always veto one of my choices with an explanation - I understand that they don't want poor quality going out, and it is difficult to judge sometimes in a thumbnail.
See, easy solution. From what I have experienced, only takes a moment to accomplish, and everyone has wonderful photos. This is reasonable.
Photographer
Sienna Hambleton
Posts: 10352
Toledo, Ohio, US
It's simple. Unless I'm being contracted out and paid, this is a non-issue. Copyright is mine and a model isn't going to dictate terms to me. So, I guess the ones who think they can just won't work with me. And, our poster from LV will discover most photographers will have the same policy.
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