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I got this lovely email this morning from a very "proffesional" photographer. No where have I ever said "my hubbie doesn't want me doin nekkie pics" and when I shoot with someone that I have no reference for or dont have an absolute good feel for them I like to bring an escort. Most proffesional and respectful photographers are fine with this why wouldnt they be? weird. Please help me understand this lashing out. Dear Andrea, Between "my hubbie doesn't want me doin nekkie pics" and "can I bring along an escort" this sounds more like a potential train wreck than a great photo shoot....if/when you decide to grow up and take charge of your own life and you want to create some artsy/edgy pics, I'd love to work with you....you have serious potential...again, all the best to you... Aug 18 06 01:01 pm Link Well, um, it says that in your bio.... At any rate, it's no excuse for his rude behavior. Aug 18 06 01:04 pm Link If the photog just sent that to you out of the blue, then they have issues. If you were looking for that photog to do photos then you should rewrite your port so it sounds better. Look at it this way.....you have the good, bad and the one you just dont give a damn.....this photog might be in the bad catagory but i would push him lower down to the dont give a damn catagory. spell check also Aug 18 06 01:05 pm Link Remove this: Respecting the wishes of my husband Leave the rest. It is nobody's business why your not doing something. Aug 18 06 01:09 pm Link Andrea Young wrote: This is from your bio: Aug 18 06 01:11 pm Link Yeah, I agree with Tracey, he was just paraphrasing you...though obnoxiously. If you don't take your clothes off for photos, just put it that simply. There's no need to say it's out of respect to anyone, and when you do it's an invitation to just the kind of comments he made...and some jackasses see it as a challenge. Aug 18 06 01:11 pm Link You mention "Art" and have alot of links for "Art".................your a model but the "Art" stuff overempowers your port.......maybe rebalance the info so the "Model" info is dominant. Thats my opinion though...i see alot of Art this or that, not alot of model this or that. Aug 18 06 01:12 pm Link Add this: Willing to do anything for food, screw my husband, bring it on! I think you will get more attention my way. When you get to the studio just tell them you were joking, it's what I do all the time. Aug 18 06 01:15 pm Link I agree with the photographer, it's like most models don't even consider modeling a job, it is a short gig though. But, even if it isn't the standard everyday work environment, you kinda have to be an adult and leave your babysitter at home. You don't bring an escort/boy-toy/husband or whatever to job interviews or your work area. If at some point you feel a certain discomfort about working with a photographer to the point you need an escort, then you need to stay your ass at home with them!! No Offense, I'm Just Being Honest.... Aug 18 06 01:16 pm Link Andrea, From the photographer's standpoint, I will have to say that we get lots of messages from disrespectful models. Sometimes, after three or four of them we forget our own professional responsibilities and say something we should not. I think both models and photographers need to look at their communications and ask "How can I make myself and my messages more professional." I think that saying you do not do nudes out of respect for your husband is not a professional way to market yourself. Just say "My limits do not allow being photographed in the nude ..." There is nothing wrong with having limits. Just remember that limits do just that... limit your opportunities. Aug 18 06 01:18 pm Link Whatever your reasons are for what you will (or won't) do, it still doesn't excuse the condescending tone this photographer took with you. A message like that simply says "I'm not a professional". Aug 18 06 01:24 pm Link I hear wheezing and sucking sounds. Aug 18 06 01:25 pm Link S D Images wrote: Sorry -- that's more stupid than honest. Look at it from the model's point of view. The photographer is a stranger, meeting her at a strange part of town. She should certainly take steps to ensure her own safety. In this particular case, she mentioned that the photographer in question failed to provide references. The photographer was unprofessional in his correspondence (e.g. poor spelling, poor grammar, obnoxious attitude). Given those impressions, any model would be foolish to accept an assignment with that photographer without an escort. Aug 18 06 01:25 pm Link Andrea Young wrote: Andrea -- I strongly recommend that you remove the photographer's actual name from your original post. Otherwise, the moderators can, will, and should shut this thread down. Aug 18 06 01:27 pm Link Looknsee Photography wrote: wow totally missed that myself...definetly remove the name. I hear the chains dragging as the MOD is walking down the hall.....they use padlocks now to lock a forum, the rubber bands and hair bunchies were not working too well. Aug 18 06 01:34 pm Link Despite some posters' eagerness to justify his behavior, the photographer in question is a prick, plain and simple. As for whether or not you should mention your husband's aversion to nudes in your profile, that's your call. It's your career. Establish rules for yourself and stick to them. No nudes means no nudes. If you want an escort, don't ask if it's ok, say "I'm bringing an escort." Once you start drawing these lines, some photographers will choose not to work with you. That's the price you pay for establishing the boundaries in the first place. You are the CEO of your modeling career. You make choices and you live with them. Your only obligations to anyone is that you specify where the boundaries are, to show up on time, and do what you said you were going to do. If someone wants to mock you for the choices you're made, you're probably better off not working with him in the first place. Aug 18 06 01:35 pm Link Why would you want to shoot with this jerk anyway??? If he doesnt respect you and your wishes then you shouldnt respect him... Brush it off girl and move on... Your too good for this... You AND your husband should come to New York and we will all have a grand time doing some great work... Hes not worth your time... ridwan Aug 18 06 01:36 pm Link Yea the escort thing..............totally ignore that comment. First thing to consider is your safety, first and foremost. Bring an escort but make sure the escort does not interupt a shoot because a hair is out of place or the hem of your skirt is not where they consider it should be. The escort interupting is a fast way to end a shoot without getting paid. Aug 18 06 01:39 pm Link Andrea Young wrote: I dont blame you for being upset....And If I get a bad vibe about a photographer from the get go, I dont shoot with them. I'd rather decline a shoot where I dont feel comfortable, than to go and not enjoy it and have crappy pictures*which I know most people say I have in My Port* Soo, Don't back down on your beliefs when it comes to this! Aug 18 06 01:42 pm Link Well I am new at this. I guess I have given a bad impression of why I do nt do nude modeling. I am glad I can see all your points of views though. I took the husband thing off of my profile as to not cause anymore drama. I just felt like I was being lashed out on. Aug 18 06 01:44 pm Link by the way this was a follow up email from this photographer I dont know him and have never worked with him. Perhaps he has had some bad experiences in the past but I just feel attacked by his coniving comments. Aug 18 06 01:45 pm Link Just wondering! What is the difference between a nude and a nude with two leaves covering very little? Aug 18 06 01:49 pm Link S D Images wrote: See this is the thing, its one this if you are asking if you can bring an escort to a studio of a well established photog, then its pretty obvious nothing will happen. Although with modeling sometimes people have there studio in their house or something like that, and thats just ameteur photographers.. In other job interviews you arent alone with the person in there house.. I know wouldnt just go to a strangers house alone with just there word they are a decent person from their bio... but I guess it depends there should be no need if you are being paid by a client but tfp is another story. Aug 18 06 01:49 pm Link this is kinda wierd...as i just can't imagine why a model who is not undressing would need a escourt? maybe if you are going off somewhere with him, but then I'd never recommend that... if you talk and are not comfortable don't shoot. If you are comfortable go ahead! Get refs re the work you liked BEING his - as well personal professional conduct... or if not available arrange to meet first, for a pre shoot coffee and planinng meeting? Taking someone when you are not naked and vulnerable - well thats just . . not neccessary, surely, if you know what you are doing. Whats the big deal? Why not just arrive with someone and introduce them then they leave (tell him they will be picking you up so you know that he knows they know where you are, if its that big of a deal?) Aug 18 06 01:49 pm Link Andrea Young wrote: Are you being sarcastic? Aug 18 06 01:53 pm Link You can see what this person likes to shoot by looking through his portfolio. He's good at what he does, and it's his style. If that's not your style of nudes or bondage or finger sucking, then just move on. Lots of us blow off steam around here in biting and sarcastic ways to humor ourselves, usually mistaking it for wit. Sometimes it's an untethered feeling of self importance that shouldn't be. I've even heard that artistic types can be subject to mood swings at times :-) It doesn't always mean we are bad people ... just stupid and clumsy. I think we all put our foot in our mouth occasionally. I don't think that email was meant to seriously insult you. Maybe he just felt a need to slug someone and your nose was convenient at that moment. Delete buttons are damn fine tools of the trade. Smack it and move on. There are lots of other fish in this pond. I like your portfolio. I'm happy to respect the wishes of anyone, including your husband. To reimburse you for starting this thread, and for reminding us to be gentlemen and ladies, let me offer you an open invitation for a free photo shoot when you visit San Diego. I like all styles of photography, so I like what you like. Click Hamilton www.pbase.com/click_hamilton BTW, were you jousting with him about something before he sent that to you? It almost sounds like a counterattack. Aug 18 06 01:54 pm Link Anjel Britt wrote: Being fully dressed never stopped anybody from being raped, mugged or killed in the past. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time, fully dressed will though. Aug 18 06 01:56 pm Link Ok, hang on a second here... To the OP, did you initiate contact with the photographer? Because if you did, how could you possibly miss the fact that nearly all of this guy's current project descriptions involve some degree of nudity? I think I'm getting a better picture of what actually happened here... Aug 18 06 01:56 pm Link Andrea Young wrote: what was coniving about it? Aug 18 06 01:56 pm Link Andrea Young wrote: Will your husband do any nude modeling? Aug 18 06 01:56 pm Link Seems like everyone has very mixed feelings on this subject. It seems like it is a personal preference. I have actually only brought an escort to one of my shoots and the photographer and I worked well together. So I dont see the problem with bringing someone along. In regards to the question about the leaves picture I have inst that implied nudity. Not nudity I never said I didnt do implied? Aug 18 06 01:58 pm Link Click Hamilton wrote: Read the forums more, of course it was meant to insult her. Directed right at her and her husband. Aug 18 06 01:58 pm Link Peter Dattolo wrote: LMAO! Aug 18 06 02:00 pm Link Click Hamilton wrote: Geeeees, speak for yourself will ya. Aug 18 06 02:00 pm Link wrote: True I was angry and decided to post this so I guess I am just as bad as he is. I didnt think the "nekkie" and "hubbie" and grow up stuff were very appropriate to say the least. Suppose that is why it angered me. Aug 18 06 02:01 pm Link Anjel Britt wrote: If the model knows self defense thats a different story, but not all models are capable of properly defending themselves. Its one thing to say you will do this or that......its another thing when there is a gun at your head, or a knife at your throat with several unwanted attackers standing around you. Aug 18 06 02:04 pm Link Bob Randall Photography wrote: oink-oink, ... snort Aug 18 06 02:07 pm Link hmmm I don't know self defense. I never said he was sleazy I said he was rude. This is like the telephone game. I have only gone on ONE shoot with an escort. I have never felt the need for one. I simply asked this guy if he minded if models brought escorts. What is the deal with people trying to bring others people decisions in life down. What happned to kind understanding people who dont try to leave there hate on others? Aug 18 06 02:08 pm Link I'm really curious to know who initiated contact with whom. Aug 18 06 02:09 pm Link Sita Mae Edwards wrote: He contacted me first. I responded with by asking what kind of a shoot he wanted to do. He said implied nudity in some feilds off a highway near us both. Aug 18 06 02:11 pm Link |
