Peter Dattolo wrote:

If the model knows self defense thats a different story, but not all models are capable of properly defending themselves. Its one thing to say you will do this or that......its another thing when there is a gun at your head, or a knife at your throat with several unwanted attackers standing around you.

''A gun at your head, a knife at your throat, several unwanted (as opposed to the kind in ya fantasies)  attackers standing around you?''

Egad!
What kid of shoots have you been going on?!?

i disagree  -  really.

it's not like i haven't had a lot of bad experiences here and there and its not as if experience can occur overnight - the ability to run your own life takes time ...
and in many ways I may never get there ... but
Seriously, as far as  running your life OK just for the occassion of the shoot - co operating and being professional and being able to recognise another professional..
anyone fit to call them selves  ''a model''  should be able to manage the basics.

What are they? little silly girls ? that only know how to dress up & pout? want to look pretty and flash the pretty pictures but can't even begin deal with another human being ??? or take basic responsibility for themselves for the basic activity REQUIRED of any  ''model''

THE SHOOT!

Sheesh

Andrea Young wrote:
He contacted me first. I responded with by asking what kind of a shoot he wanted to do. He said implied nudity in some feilds off a highway near us both.
Than I asked if he cared if models brought escorts.
I dont know him and had no references yet. I wanted to get a feel for him and I guess well I did with his response.

In a field off the highway..........he really said that?

WOW, good way to get arrested

Anjel Britt wrote:

''A gun at your head, a knife at your throat, several unwanted (as opposed to the kind in ya fantasies)  attackers standing around you?''

Egad!
What kid of shoots have you been going on?!?

i disagree  -  really.

it's not like i haven't had a lot of bad experiences here and there and its not as if experience can occur overnight - the ability to run your own life takes time ...
and in many ways I may never get there ... but
Seriously, as far as  running your life OK just for the occassion of the shoot - co operating and being professional and being able to recognise another professional..
anyone fit to call them selves  ''a model''  should be able to manage the basics.

What are they? little silly girls ? that only know how to dress up & pout? want to look pretty and flash the pretty pictures but can't even begin deal with another human being ??? or take basic responsibility for themselves for the basic activity REQUIRED of any  ''model''

THE SHOOT!

Sheesh

If the photog was a professional then yea, there would be no problems. You are also assuming they are/will be professional. You dont know this person from joe schmo on the street.
To me any model that is serious will bring an escort to the first shoot at least. If the first shoot goes ok and everybody is decent, then yea no escort for other shoots.
If a model showed up to a first shoot with me without an escort i will not do the shoot, the model could be wacky and say i did this or that.

DeCarr Beauty wrote:
Well, since you have in your Bio that you don't do nude work, it seems that the photographer should have had enough since not to contact you in the first place - since nudity was part of the shoot that he wanted.

I believe that his disgusting communication to you was nothing but a blessing that kept you from encountering any more of his disgusting ways.

If ANYONE, with whom you are not familiar, has an issue with you protecting yourself by having an escort, then this is someone you simply should not do business with.

Always be safe...

THank You!

Peter Dattolo wrote:

If the photog was a professional then yea, there would be no problems. You are also assuming they are/will be professional. You dont know this person from joe schmo on the street.
To me any model that is serious will bring an escort to the first shoot at least. If the first shoot goes ok and everybody is decent, then yea no escort for other shoots.
If a model showed up to a first shoot with me without an escort i will not do the shoot, the model could be wacky and say i did this or that.

I have a photographer friend who had a model pull out a gun to "show it off" to him. scary!!

Andrea Young wrote:
by the way this was a follow up email from this photographer I dont know him and have never worked with him. Perhaps he has had some bad experiences in the past but I just feel attacked by his coniving comments.

Well, there're about a thousand threads on here of why many of us don't like working with models who make a big issue of "no nudes," another thousand or so on how much trouble models with controlling/jealous husbands/boyfriends are, and SEVERAL thousand on why escorts bug us ESPECIALLY if said escort is likely to be the controlling/jealous boyfriend/husband.
I would guess this guy was trying to convey that to you and just did it very badly.

SLE Photography wrote:

Well, there're about a thousand threads on here of why many of us don't like working with models who make a big issue of "no nudes," another thousand or so on how much trouble models with controlling/jealous husbands/boyfriends are, and SEVERAL thousand on why escorts bug us ESPECIALLY if said escort is likely to be the controlling/jealous boyfriend/husband.
I would guess this guy was trying to convey that to you and just did it very badly.

Well I dont ever bring my husband on shoots actually 2 photogs I am in the works with setting up shoots insist on me bringing my husband I think that is really awesome.
I never made a big deal about no nude he is the one who lashed out. I don't think they are right for me at this point so therefore Im not going to do them at this point.
I agree my husband is on the jealouse list, but that is why I keep him away from the shoots he ends up likeing the finished products (not that I need his approval,but of couse I show him I am proud of what I help create and want to share that with him) and the more shoots I go on the more he sees it as art not so much a sexual thing I guess you would say.

Andrea Young wrote:
I just got this reply from him after I sent a response to his email:

You are absolutely right and i sincerly apologize for the harsh tone of
my
reply..Just so you know I had meant to add some smiley faces, re-edit
the
"grow up" part...then i hit the send button (i wish there was an
"unsend
botton)...Iwas running late and yours was the last email to reply
to...unfortunately, the 3 prior emails to yours were ridiculos "net
model"
emails that irritated me and..well...you undeservingly got the brunt of
it...again, sorry...and I wish you much success in all of your
endevours....

Red Faced...


--------I am glad it turned out like this-------------------

Acknowledging his mistake, apologizing is a sure sign of being professional. Dont count him out as a potential photog for future shoots just yet. A real jerk would have found a reason to justify his comments to you.

Peter Dattolo wrote:

Acknowledging his mistake, apologizing is a sure sign of being professional. Dont count him out as a potential photog for future shoots just yet. A real jerk would have found a reason to justify his comments to you.

Anjel Britt wrote:
don't get me wrong or be upset, I'm responding to the paranoid people in general.

I myself am not upset with your comments, you are entitled to your views as much as anybody else. I was just trying to establish that a person with self defense knowledge looks at situation differently than somebody who does not have that knowledge.

YOU - six guys with knives surrounding you - self defense training for 5 years - not a problem, 5 minutes and you will be home for dinner.
MODEL - no self defense training - six guys with knives surrounding her/him - begging for thier life - try bartering with sexual activities - crying - throwing money and credit cards in front of them - fainting.......then those six guys take all this anyways and leave.

People see things differently, thats my point. Your comments are just as important as anybody elses, i am not discrediting those in the least.

EDIT: "YOU" as in first person. Not directed at anybody. "MODEL" as in any model, also not directed at anybody

Anjel Britt wrote:
cool

ok

ps
i am just laughing at the assumption up there among the answers that someone else is making an assumption
namely, me
how hilarious is that!

& If anyone else out there imagines you can get though all my years of nude work including THE NET... and the assume the 'photographer' is always gonna be professional...

sorry, I'm just laughig tooooo much
*wipes tears from eyes*

read the post about self defense, and attitude!

as for assumptions
always check what you accuse others of
what blames you lay on someone
then look to yourself
;-)
it's quite illuminating

Namaste

When i said "You are assuming", that was not directed at you, i meant in general as a model, any model.

Richard Tallent wrote:
Definitely, only book a shoot if you are comfortable with the photographer and the situation.

This photographer obviously was being rude and snarky, likely a GWC who wants to make himself feel more evolved somehow by snapping at women who won't show the b00bies.

But I will say this: email sucks at relaying emotional content. I've noticed that some models can be rather skiddish--the longer the email thread, the higher the chance of some phrase ("model release", "implied", "sunrise", "home studio", "I'm black", "I'm white", "great deserted area", etc.) will freak them out and they drop the thread.

So if you see a word or phrase that gives you pause when discussing over email or you don't know the photographer's lame sense of humor, ASK. Better yet, if at all possible, get out of email and schedule a public go-see or a telephone call so you can pick up on non-verbal cues, humor, demands vs. requests vs. random ideas, etc. Good photographers aren't always great prose-writers, and the ones who do a great sales job via email may give you a totally different vibe.

Emotion is so hard to evoke through email! completely agreed.
I find it easier to just use technology than to actually communicate with a real person. That is probably going to be a very bad habit in the long run of communication.

Does pepper spray work against the "wood chipper"(scary music)!?

SLE Photography wrote:
Well, there're about a thousand threads on here of why many of us don't like working with models who make a big issue of "no nudes," another thousand or so on how much trouble models with controlling/jealous husbands/boyfriends are, and SEVERAL thousand on why escorts bug us ESPECIALLY if said escort is likely to be the controlling/jealous boyfriend/husband.
I would guess this guy was trying to convey that to you and just did it very badly.

Andrea Young wrote:
Well I dont ever bring my husband on shoots actually 2 photogs I am in the works with setting up shoots insist on me bringing my husband I think that is really awesome.
I never made a big deal about no nude he is the one who lashed out. I don't think they are right for me at this point so therefore Im not going to do them at this point.
I agree my husband is on the jealouse list, but that is why I keep him away from the shoots he ends up likeing the finished products (not that I need his approval,but of couse I show him I am proud of what I help create and want to share that with him) and the more shoots I go on the more he sees it as art not so much a sexual thing I guess you would say.

I wasn't accusing you of any of those things, just pointing out how people could've read that from your profile before you changed it.
The guy was still a jerk to speak to you that way.
I'm big on the list for being Ok with escorts but not usually husbands, jealous or not, as they tend to cause problems.

Andrea Young wrote:
Does pepper spray work against the "wood chipper"(scary music)!?

the woodchipper is all powerful... hehe

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

Will your husband do any nude modeling?

HAHAHAHAAA

oldguysrule wrote:
solution... get off the web thus avoiding the web annonymity that inspires all the paranoia. replace the hubs with someone who doesn't think another's body is his property and thus under his control. and finally, let it go. an asshole is an asshole. move on. and watch out for photographers with woodchippers.

*correction
not inspires - reveals, reveals the paranoia.

Anjel Britt wrote:
and so dear listeners, American English falls to a new low -
YOU with quotes is not quoted at the same person

and indeed for the record  'YOU' is now to be considerred as ''the first person'' ??????

No wonder cotmnmunickatshionz R SO DIFFICLUT!!!

I tried to correct my comment to not offend you because it was not my intention in the first place but seems to late, it was still taken personally. If you insist on mis-reading my comments as personal insults and the like, then you definetly are taking my comments to personally.

Peter Dattolo wrote:

I tried to correct my comment to not offend you because it was not my intention in the first place but seems to late, it was still taken personally. If you insist on mis-reading my comments as personal insults and the like, then you definetly are taking my comments to personally.

oh my good god

this is a forum!!
we write as fancy takes!

nothing is personal my dear child
be at peace!!!

FKVPhotoGraphics wrote:
Just wondering! What is the difference between a nude and a nude with two leaves covering very little?

I was wandering the same. It seems a bit of a contradiction.
I don't agree w/ what the photog said but, the photos and the No nude don't co-inside.

Peter Dattolo wrote:

I tried to correct my comment to not offend you because it was not my intention in the first place but seems to late, it was still taken personally. If you insist on mis-reading my comments as personal insults and the like, then you definetly are taking my comments to personally.

Excuse me????
This post was created to talk about "rude photographer" not give English Grammar Lessons.  Start a new post to talk about English - I'd happily take a lesson (I need one).
Thanks.

Anjel Britt wrote:

oh my good god

this is a forum!!
we write as fancy takes!

nothing is personal my dear child
be at peace!!!

Yes you are correct, it is a forum and nothing is personal.

You seemed to be stuck on the "YOU" issue thats all, and directed comments at me regarding that. Now your telling me not to take it personal when i obviously was not the one who did.

Madcitychel wrote:

Excuse me????
This post was created to talk about "rude photographer" not give English Grammar Lessons.  Start a new post to talk about English - I'd happily take a lesson (I need one).
Thanks.

You are correct, this is not the forum subject. I will not comment further.

Peter Dattolo wrote:
.... If a model showed up to a first shoot with me without an escort i will not do the shoot, the model could be wacky and say i did this or that.

This makes next to no sense.

The implication of this is that if the model turned out to be wacky and claimed you did 'X", then you would rely on the wacky model's escort to back your side of things? 

Think that's reliable?