dee740 wrote:
I second that!

Thanks! I think a lot of the pin-up style models out there are too skinny, anyway!



Oh yeah, and I totally agree with the post about how people who aren't constantly fretting about their appearance more fun to be around!

(caring about whether you're cutting years and quality of your life away is something different!)

Myopic Earache wrote:
Ooh good, my favorite subject.

The only ones who are offended when fatties are pointed out are the fatties.  Here in Chicago and, of course, nationwide (and beginning globally) we have a hefty (hehe) obesity problem which the American government is throwing billions of dollars in healthcare costs.  Everyone here is paying to help treat associated problems with obesity.  I wish I could opt out. ....

Obesity should not be embraced but should be looked upon with disdain and stigma and those who are obese should seek help in the form of exercise and nutrition.  Those seeking validation and praise to be a "plus size" model should not be encouraged.

Sometimes people have the most appropriate screen names.     Although myopic heartache or myopic soul might be slightly more on point.

WG Rowland wrote:

Ok, cool.. This will give me an excuse to use the BabelFish Prattle-To-English translater I just downloaded...  Finally some intelligent discourse to be had on MM..

Ok.. Lemme just cut and paste the text in and see what we've got to work with here..

*hits Translate*

Ok.  Ok.. It's working..  Hangon.. Here's something..

I......

Hmm, ok this thing's a little slower than I thought... Guess I should have bought a MAC..

.....don't......

Ok, now we're moving.. Hard drive lights are flickering along...

.....like......

Interesting.. Interesting...  I'll be right back... Need to get some coffee...

.....fat......people.....

That's it..?

That's all he's really saying?

God dammit.. MM sucks.

....headesk...headesk...headesk....headesk...headesk...headesk....headesk...headesk...headesk...

KM von Seidl wrote:

Sometimes people have the most appropriate screen names.     Although myopic heartache or myopic soul might be slightly more on point.

I think "jerk" is much more appropriate and succint.

BingeAndPurge wrote:
On the news the other day I heard mention of an "obesity vaccination" and that we "need to cure this terrible disease."  I mean, WHAT THE FUCK?  A vaccination?  Dammit, obseity is not a disease!  It's the outcome of very poor life choices. 
Yes, some people are predisposed to be bigger, myself included.  But there's a big difference between being big and being obese.  The only "cure" for obesity is teaching people to make better nutrition choices and exercise more. 

Better yet, let's just remove the unhealthy options altogether and force people to do the right thing.  Anyone up for firebombing McDonald's with me?

Okay, this is long a wordy, but as a fat person that is tired of all the mis information given out on a daily basis, here goes.


the one thing that most people overlook, it isnt that fat people want to be fat, or that they dont want to be healthy, I know for a fact, and im speaking from experience, fat people do want to be healthy, and not fat.

The biggest issue isnt with fast food or lack of excercise, the real issue is with the chemicals that are used in almost all foods today, foods you buy at the grocery store, look at the labels, one of the most common "chemicals" is High Fructose Corn Syrup, dont let them fool you, its not sugar. . . HFCS can only be processed by the liver, where as Sugar can be processed by every cell in the body. . . HFCS is a cheaper product to manufacture, that is why it is so widley used, however, it's not good for you and will cause you to not be able to loose weight, no matter how hard you try, same goes for almost all artificial sweetners, the ones being sold to fat people saying, drink diet this, eat diet that, the chemicals that are used to produce these toxic sweetners will also cause you to not be able to loose weight.

What needs to happen is, the junk/crap food that is sold in every grocery store in the US needs to be made more expensive, while the fresh foods need to be more affordable. . . its a simple fact of ecinomics in most cases, you have a choice, eat healthy, or pay your mortgage. . .

I know, I know, all you skinny minnies out there think "hog wash" I eat that food and im not fat, well some peoples bodies react to certain chemicals different than others. . .

A good example, I went on a "diet" of sorts, I guess you could call it that, if it came in a box, bag, can or container, I didnt eat it, only fresh foods, no chemicals, I even quit drinking soda, diet or otherwise, all I drank was water, I lost 44 pounds in 3 months, with no more excersize than I would normally get on an average day, however, the draw back was, our grocery bill doubled, and almost trippled a few times, thats a big change. . . I think it should be cheaper to eat healthy, that is how we are going to combat the medical costs associated with obesity in this country.

As far as some of the medical costs associated with obesity, dont think for one second that the medical industry wants to cut those costs, it is a guaranteed cash cow for them, especially the drug manufaturers, just think about all the meds prescribed for type 2 diabetes, which didnt exist untill the introduction of High Fructose Corn Syrup. Type 1 or juvenile onset Diabetes has been around forever, that is a disease that can only be cured with a pancreas transplant, or kept under control with the use of drugs, type 1 unfortunately is a fact of life, type 2 isnt. type 2 is really just insulin resistant syndrome, meaning that the fat cells in your body are so saturated with natural insulin, that your system has become imune to the effects and levels your body produces, then they give all these nice little white pills to increase the insulin levels in your body, only created further resistance, they tell you to drink diet soda instead of regular soda, which only increased the fat cells building up in your body, therefore storing more insulin, and becoming more resistant.

It is the medical community, the drug manufacturers more specifically that are pushing the drugs for these diseases, thats how they make money, and who pays for it, I do, you do, everybody does in one way or another.

Lets make healthy eating more affordable.

Im done

BingeAndPurge wrote:
The only "cure" for obesity is teaching people to make better nutrition choices and exercise more.

EXACTLY!

BingeAndPurge wrote:
Better yet, let's just remove the unhealthy options altogether and force people to do the right thing.  Anyone up for firebombing McDonald's with me?

I'll bring the dynamite!

That is the problem with our free choice system, even tho it's the best option out there a great many people don't know how to make good decisions.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

I think "jerk" is much more appropriate and succint.

What?  You think I'm a jerk for being honest and not PC about an issue that is plaguing the planet and is only getting worse? 

I may be a jerk about it but the truth of the matter is the problem the more people embace the problem, the worse it gets.  Look at HIV in Africa.  Ignore a problem and it will get worse.  Make the solution as part of the national health care system and eliminate choice on whether to get tested or not will lead to higher awareness and hopefully lead to a cessation of the spread.  That approach should be applied to the USA.

KM von Seidl wrote:
Sometimes people have the most appropriate screen names.     Although myopic heartache or myopic soul might be slightly more on point.

Hrm.  Lame.  What a lame insult.  I'm not a heartless or souless person as you may think, actually quite to the contrary yet I also don't appreciate people who coddle and encourage a major problem embracing the world.

Leo Howard wrote:
Okay,
The biggest issue isnt with fast food or lack of excercise, the real issue is with the chemicals that are used in almost all foods today, foods you buy at the grocery store, look at the labels, one of the most common "chemicals" is High Fructose Corn Syrup, dont let them fool you, its not sugar. . .
HFCS can only be processed by the liver, where as Sugar can be processed by every cell in the body. . .
HFCS is a cheaper product to manufacture, that is why it is so widley used, however, it's not good for you and will cause you to not be able to loose weight, no matter how hard you try,

same goes for almost all artificial sweetners, the ones being sold to fat people saying, drink diet this, eat diet that, the chemicals that are used to produce these toxic sweetners will also cause you to not be able to loose weight.

What needs to happen is, the junk/crap food that is sold in every grocery store in the US needs to be made more expensive, while the fresh foods need to be more affordable. . . bodies react to certain chemicals different than others. . .
. . .  the medical industry wants to cut those costs, it is a guaranteed cash cow for them,

Especially the drug manufaturers,

just think about all the meds prescribed for type 2 diabetes, which didnt exist untill the introduction of High Fructose Corn Syrup. Type 1 or juvenile onset Diabetes has been around forever, that is a disease that can only be cured with a pancreas transplant, or kept under control with the use of drugs, type 1 unfortunately is a fact of life, type 2 isnt. type 2 is really just insulin resistant syndrome, meaning that the fat cells in your body are so saturated with natural insulin, that your system has become imune to the effects and levels your body produces, then they give all these nice little white pills to increase the insulin levels in your body, only created further resistance, they tell you to drink diet soda instead of regular soda, which only increased the fat cells building up in your body, therefore storing more insulin, and becoming more resistant.

It is the medical community
The drug manufacturers more specifically that are pushing the drugs for these diseases,

thats how they make money, and who pays for it, I do, you do, everybody does in one way or another.

Lets make healthy eating more affordable.

Im done

Agreed

Totally

Thats a thread we should open...

But back to the OP ....YOU are not the ordinary and out of shape girl under disscussion that is posting 'as a model'!
and thinking she can be Plus Sized Model just by viirtue of the excess waistline alone.

You have more sense and found something fullfilling that you are good at,

ps
Shyly is not the girl under discussion
AND she is far from ordinary!
(I am thinking of the The No Nudes crowd)

Leo Howard wrote:
Lets make healthy eating more affordable.

I too noticed this. If I want juice at work. There is none. But plenty of soda. Why is it in some restaurants its either water or pop? I don't drink pop. I can't drink orange juice. Why do I have to settle for soda over some juice which is healthier. With food. Why do I have to pay $5 for a tuna sandwich with nothing on it and for $5 my co-workers can get a big plate of grilled chicken with rice and sauce all over it? If I want a fruit cup $3... while others munch on chips for $0.75...

My decision was to eat healthy food. Now if I can't eat healthy food, I won't substitute with junk food. And SURPRISE! I lost weight : /

BronxBeauty8 wrote:
I too noticed this. If I want juice at work. There is none. But plenty of soda. Why is it in some restaurants its either water or pop? I don't drink pop. I can't drink orange juice. Why do I have to settle for soda over some juice which is healthier. With food. Why do I have to pay $5 for a tuna sandwich with nothing on it and for $5 my co-workers can get a big plate of grilled chicken with rice and sauce all over it? If I want a fruit cup $3... while others munch on chips for $0.75...

My decision was to eat healthy food. Now if I can't eat healthy food, I won't substitute with junk food. And SURPRISE! I lost weight : /

This is exactly why I bring my lunch with me everyday.  There are a plethora of options out there which are terrible nutritionally and unfortunately big industry keeps it that way.  It's just as easy to purchase a bag of doritos as it is to purchase a bag or oranges, it comes down to choice.

BronxBeauty8 wrote:

I too noticed this. If I want juice at work. There is none. But plenty of soda. Why is it in some restaurants its either water or pop? I don't drink pop. I can't drink orange juice. Why do I have to settle for soda over some juice which is healthier. With food. Why do I have to pay $5 for a tuna sandwich with nothing on it and for $5 my co-workers can get a big plate of grilled chicken with rice and sauce all over it? If I want a fruit cup $3... while others munch on chips for $0.75...

My decision was to eat healthy food. Now if I can't eat healthy food, I won't substitute with junk food. And SURPRISE! I lost weight : /

ya know, its funny you mention eating a tuna sandwich, tuna itself is healthy, however, the bread, and it doesnt matter if you eat whole weat, 12 grain, rye. . . unless its from a wholefood type store, the bread will more than likely have HFCS in it, so your healthy sandwich, just became toxic, not to mention how the bread is made to begin with, the flour used in commercial bake houses has no nutritional value left after it has been processed into flour.

and most juices on the market contain HFCS as well, so they are no better than soda in reality, there are juices that are 100% pure, no chemical preservatives, or artificail sweetners, but those are $4 to $5 for a half gallon container, while the unhealthy juices can be had for $1 for a half gallon container.

Its all about economics.

Leo Howard wrote:

ya know, its funny you mention eating a tuna sandwich, tuna itself is healthy, however, the bread, and it doesnt matter if you eat whole weat, 12 grain, rye. . . unless its from a wholefood type store, the bread will more than likely have HFCS in it, so your healthy sandwich, just became toxic, not to mention how the bread is made to begin with, the flour used in commercial bake houses has no nutritional value left after it has been processed into flour.

and most juices on the market contain HFCS as well, so they are no better than soda in reality, there are juices that are 100% pure, no chemical preservatives, or artificail sweetners, but those are $4 to $5 for a half gallon container, while the unhealthy juices can be had for $1 for a half gallon container.

Its all about economics.

Aha! You caught me. That was my diet before. I normally just eat regular tuna. What do I need the bread for? For breakfast meals, you have croissants, bagels, egg and something sandwich on a roll or whatever. Then lunch more sandwiches, more pizza, more bread. By dinner, I hope you're not eating more bread...

My ex laughs, breakfast of champions - a banana and some juice
lunch - tuna, diet green tea or water
dinner - whatever is made. I hang around an indian family so everything they cook is low fat, and baked, not fried.

Healthy foods.

Leo Howard wrote:

ya know, its funny you mention eating a tuna sandwich, tuna itself is healthy, however, the bread, and it doesnt matter if you eat whole weat, 12 grain, rye. . . unless its from a wholefood type store, the bread will more than likely have HFCS in it, so your healthy sandwich, just became toxic, not to mention how the bread is made to begin with, the flour used in commercial bake houses has no nutritional value left after it has been processed into flour.

and most juices on the market contain HFCS as well, so they are no better than soda in reality, there are juices that are 100% pure, no chemical preservatives, or artificail sweetners, but those are $4 to $5 for a half gallon container, while the unhealthy juices can be had for $1 for a half gallon container.

Its all about economics.

Wow Leo you really know alot about food. If I knew all that I would never eat.

Sarah Deathriage wrote:
you can get a salad at any drive thru..I went to a sushit retaurant the other day and they had low carb sushi! yeah crazy world we live in. It was pretty good too, I had a low carb cucumber roll. I see healthy food everywhere. Maybe because I am a veg I am forced to look for it. McDonalds even has a fruit salad. Burger King has a Veggie Burger I could go on and on.

next time you go to one of those places and get your salad, if you are having any kind of dressing on it, ask them if you can see the list of ingredients, you will be surprised that the "healthy" salad is not so healthy, for many many reasons, the main one is the dressing, it will more than likely have HFCS in it, its in almost all commercially produced foods in the US. . . any of the sauces you eat with your sushi, will more than likely have HFCS in it, and the veggie burger from Burger King . . . well, ask to see the list of ingredients.  the food we buy these days, even if it says its healthy, isnt really all that healthy. . .

Anjel Britt wrote:
They ARE expensive especially if organic - which is the only kind worth eating
And I can drive while eating Doritos....

What you are saying is not necessarily true.  The price of organic foods depends on where you get 'em from.  In Chicago we have a fruit/vegetable store called Stanleys on Division and Clybourn.  They have a terrific organic section (about 1/3rd of the store) where everything is reasonably priced and about 40-60% cheaper than the local chain grocery stores en masse.  I'm sure there has to be some place like this in Cail.

By finding these unique places you are helping yourself and supporting small business... which I'm totally for.

Now driving and eating... sigh... that is another reason obesity is on the rise: food is accepted everywhere.  Ride the train and you'll have people eating chips ALL the time, drive-thru/dashboard dining is everywhere, eat at your desk, lunchtime meetings.. etc.  The tradition of sitting at a breakfast/lunch/dinner table is a notion of the past.  Now people eat everywhere at anytime, acceptance of which is complicit to the problem.

BronxBeauty8 wrote:
Bacon and cheese salad with ranch dressing ontop isn't that healthy.

Try eating a plain salad and tell me how you like it.

tell me about it, plain salad absolutely turns my stomach, thats why I buy organic salad dressing, no artificial anything, the sweetening that is added usually comes from some sort of organic fruit, or organic sugar, try getting that in a restaraunt, aint gonna happen.

Leo Howard wrote:
Stu,

I just cant help myself on this one, so please, forgive me if I overstep here.

But you say "  I am a former heavyweight. It wasnt healthy for me " and I say kudos for getting yourself healthy weight wise, however, is that a ciggarette in your fingers?

:-)

one battle at a time my friend. one at a time. it's at the top of my list of things to do, along with cleaning up my potty mouth and being a GWC. lol

Sarah Deathriage wrote:

Wow Leo you really know alot about food. If I knew all that I would never eat.

def.... makes me wanna go hurl my lunch & munchies....

Leo Howard wrote:

tell me about it, plain salad absolutely turns my stomach, thats why I buy organic salad dressing, no artificial anything, the sweetening that is added usually comes from some sort of organic fruit, or organic sugar, try getting that in a restaraunt, aint gonna happen.

I eat plain salad everyonce in a while and it makes me feel like a rabbit. Seriously, what am I chewing. Sometimes I add Italian dressing. I don't like the Organic salad though. Something about the leaves they use isn't very appetizing.

Leo Howard wrote:

next time you go to one of those places and get your salad, if you are having any kind of dressing on it, ask them if you can see the list of ingredients, you will be surprised that the "healthy" salad is not so healthy, for many many reasons, the main one is the dressing, it will more than likely have HFCS in it, its in almost all commercially produced foods in the US. . . any of the sauces you eat with your sushi, will more than likely have HFCS in it, and the veggie burger from Burger King . . . well, ask to see the list of ingredients.  the food we buy these days, even if it says its healthy, isnt really all that healthy. . .

I really don't eat fast food thank god (if I have to grab a salad I do). But I do eat that veggie meat at the store that's "organic" and I heard that stuff can be bad for you. I dunno. You can never win. I heard too much soy is a bad thing and can give you mood swings. Which I am starting to see. But I have lost some weight eating high protein low carb.

SsinUrn wrote:

def.... makes me wanna go hurl my lunch & munchies....

I know, sad isnt it

BronxBeauty8 wrote:
Bacon and cheese salad with ranch dressing ontop isn't that healthy.

Try eating a plain salad and tell me how you like it.

might not be Much healthier... but this is how my mom got me to eat lettuce when i was a kid, still prefer it this way today... 
    easy... lettuce, leaves of cut, whatever... and sugar.
that's it, not a lot, just enough to sweeten it up... and yeah, i'll eat a salad like this in restaurants, and get funny looks everytime

oh shut up and try it