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Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Brian Diaz wrote:

I was wondering if you saw mine first or if it was a ridiculous coincidence.

I almost changed your name to Oliver Clothesoff.  You know.  Just because.

No it was a ridiculous coincidence... great minds think alike I suppose:

Brian Diaz
Male
Location: New York
Posts: 10,439

Am I the only person who is upset that in 3 pages, no one has come up with an Oliver Clothesoff joke?
Jun 01 06 12:06 am


James Jackson
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Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 3,335

oliver
Jun 01 06 12:06 am

Jun 01 06 12:48 am Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

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Jun 01 06 12:49 am Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

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Jun 01 06 12:49 am Link

Photographer

Joshua MD

Posts: 16

Miami Beach, Florida, US

the female nude is beautiful until a shitty perverse photographer starts snapping away.

Jun 01 06 01:06 am Link

Photographer

Ez Rider 2 Images

Posts: 4

Los Angeles, California, US

art is different for everyone if you don't like girls and body parts then don't look shoot portraits ithen

Jun 01 06 01:09 am Link

Model

Just AJ

Posts: 3478

Round Rock, Texas, US

Darrin James Malone wrote:
Why do women always take there damn clothes off? I mean, I think implied nudity is enough. I can understand when they are donbg it for a project which could be taken as natural and beautiful, but for the most part, most of these girls and guys are taking nudes that are just NOT tasteful. Do women in particular feel they have to do that for attention? This is a very serious question, I have a lot of respect for women, I guess in a weird way I kinda feel bad...

--DJ

Clearly we do it to make you uncomfortable.  What happens if I say Boobies???  Or even b(o)(o)bies?  Are you wiggling yet??

smile

Jun 01 06 01:28 am Link

Model

Jay Dezelic

Posts: 5029

Seattle, Washington, US

Well, after doing my first outdoor nude photoshoot today on a rainy deserted ocean beach with a very talented photog and stylist, I think I could take a shot at this. Clothing is an optional accessory that we all seem to accept as standard.  We are not borne with it. Rather, we choose to wear it to conceal our differences.  Nude art photography simplifies and makes a concept timeless. Nude photography can be a statement about many things, not the least of which has anything to do with sex.

Another way to look at i is that people photos can be divided up into three elements; The model, The background environment, and the wardrobe. Nude photography can make the artist's message 33% clearer since three is no focus on the non-existent wardrobe.

Jun 01 06 02:12 am Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Nick Ryder wrote:

Not sure what "every normal woman" you know means exactly, but, a young 18 year old trying to break into the business is NOT just craving to get naked in front of the camera for Uncle Pervy to oink and snort.

The word is; naive, one who shows a lack of experience, wisdom or judgement, they are often naturally innocent to some of life's circumstances.

They are often unfamiliar with the ground rules and what is expected of them and are easily persuaded to do things because some Slick is making false promises of stardom or whatever. The syndrome is not an unfamiliar one, hence, the "casting couch" scenario.

As far as the name calling and bantering pig noises, this is obviously a topic that has hit a raw nerve with you. Interesting...

You express yourself well, and you make good points. I defer to your nice rebuttal.

Good job.

Yes, lots of us are naive, including those charlatans who bamboozle. That stuff comes from any direction, any age bracket, any gender.

You are right.

My apologizes for my rant

Jun 01 06 02:24 am Link

Photographer

The Don Mon

Posts: 3315

Ocala, Florida, US

Nerlande wrote:

We all respect you for not showing us your vagina.

sweeeeeeeeeeeet

Jun 01 06 02:31 am Link

Photographer

Rahim The Photographer

Posts: 542

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Darrin James Malone wrote:
Why do women always take there damn clothes off? I mean, I think implied nudity is enough. I can understand when they are donbg it for a project which could be taken as natural and beautiful, but for the most part, most of these girls and guys are taking nudes that are just NOT tasteful. Do women in particular feel they have to do that for attention? This is a very serious question, I have a lot of respect for women, I guess in a weird way I kinda feel bad...

--DJ

This is the most ridiculous nonsense I have ever heard a anyone in the business spew.  You respect women, yet you’ve just offended most of the models on this web-site and around the world.

The human body (male or female) is one of the most natural forms of art and beauty on earth.  It’s so powerful that merely its raw image can (and has) cause(d) wars, bliss or emotional gratification.  A good photographer can capture ANY emotion using only the human form.

If you don’t like what you see or shoot, then don’t do it, don’t look at it.  Complaining about it and asking us to “see it your wayâ€? is nothing more than an attempt to de-value and insult the work of others..

Would you hide something that you respect?  You’re opinion suggests that we should be ashamed of our body’s rather than respect them.

Jun 01 06 02:48 am Link

Photographer

j-shooter

Posts: 1912

San Francisco, California, US

You just joined the forums and THIS is your first posting?

Jun 01 06 02:56 am Link

Photographer

Rahim The Photographer

Posts: 542

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

INever wrote:
You just joined the forums and THIS is your first posting?

If you're suggesting that I have to earn the right to post my own opinion that might offend someone in a heated debate, I assure you I do not.  I am not new to posting my views on photography forums and just because this is amoung my first on MM doesn't de-value the weight of my expearience in the field.

I don't feel that I must necessitate changing my personality (even if it means my posts make me seem like an asshole) to sugar coat my confutation.

Are you ready to censor me so quickly?

Jun 01 06 03:32 am Link

Photographer

Scott O Bryan Photo

Posts: 144

Annapolis, Maryland, US

Mercy Studio wrote:

If you're suggesting that I have to earn the right to post my own opinion that might offend someone in a heated debate, I assure you I do not.  I am not new to posting my views on photography forums and just because this is amoung my first on MM doesn't de-value the weight of my expearience in the field.

I don't feel that I must necessitate changing my personality (even if it means my posts make me seem like an asshole) to sugar coat my confutation.

Are you ready to censor me so quickly?

I think he meant the OP at least I hope he did  and btw I agree with your 1st post

Jun 01 06 04:41 am Link

Model

Jane Weiss

Posts: 2027

Nottingham, England, United Kingdom

Graham Walker wrote:

Make that a Dead Parrot.

And now for something completely different ...

lmao... gotta love dead parrots... they have much funnier sketches then dead horses. or like this post... which is getting old now... nudity is weird? lmaoem (laughing my ass off even more)

Jun 01 06 06:10 am Link

Photographer

dgleasonphoto

Posts: 89

Carmel, California, US

Click Hamilton wrote:

You express yourself well, and you make good points. I defer to your nice rebuttal.

Good job.

Yes, lots of us are naive, including those charlatans who bamboozle. That stuff comes from any direction, any age bracket, any gender.

You are right.

My apologizes for my rant

Nice to hear someone take the high road, bravo! Click for president!

Jun 01 06 11:13 am Link

Photographer

Nick Ryder

Posts: 317

Walnut Creek, California, US

Click Hamilton wrote:

You express yourself well, and you make good points. I defer to your nice rebuttal.

Good job.

Yes, lots of us are naive, including those charlatans who bamboozle. That stuff comes from any direction, any age bracket, any gender.

You are right.

My apologizes for my rant

Apology noted and accepted. I have found that though many of us disagree on Model Mayhem, at the end of the day, this place ain't all that bad, I appreciate your sentiment and acknowledgement, salute!

Jun 01 06 12:16 pm Link

Photographer

FemmeArt

Posts: 880

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Darrin James Malone wrote:
Haha, I know this is all based on MY OPINION, but seriously, I guess I just simply dont understand how some people will show you something I consider private. It's just my opinion though.

Why do you care so much about what someone else chooses to show?  Do you contend that everyone on MM should adopt and behave in accordance with YOUR personal values?

Jun 01 06 12:20 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Brummitt

Posts: 40527

Clarkston, Michigan, US

Darrin James Malone wrote:
Haha, I know this is all based on MY OPINION, but seriously, I guess I just simply dont understand how some people will show you something I consider private. It's just my opinion though.

I've shown people my comic book collection.  It's kinda private.

Jun 01 06 12:22 pm Link

Model

Leda Locke

Posts: 101

Portland, Oregon, US

markcomp wrote:

I've shown people my comic book collection.  It's kinda private.

*giggles*  I like!

This thread reminds me of an incident in 6th grade, when we first started sex ed...I mentioned in my required school journal that I'd seen my dad without clothes (because wandering around nude was common in the household, and is common in my new one for that matter), and my teacher took me aside and asked very seriously if my dad was molesting me...just because I'd seen him naked.  >_<  Some people...

Jun 01 06 08:17 pm Link

Photographer

Fons Studio

Posts: 148

Montreal, Wisconsin, US

Iona Lynn wrote:
YOUR opinion and YOU concider it private.

not all of us do, some of us a are very happy being nude models.
we write our own scedual, don't work 8 to 10 hours a day,
get to travel to cool places for free,
we get to go to art shows and see our selves on a gallery wall.
we look at books and see our selves in publications.

Some nude boy had to pose for David so I pose for other artists.

For the record I don't have low self estime I have friends and family who love me and support me.

Excellent response !!

Jun 02 06 06:53 am Link

Photographer

Fons Studio

Posts: 148

Montreal, Wisconsin, US

Shyly wrote:
I recently had an 18 year old kid earnestly inform me that people like Michaelangelo, Rodin, and Rubens had cheapened humanity with their work.  Oy.

Ohhhhh now they just gone too damn far !!

Jun 02 06 06:54 am Link

Photographer

Fons Studio

Posts: 148

Montreal, Wisconsin, US

YeagerVision wrote:

I did a random sample of 50 MM profiles:

24 (48%) were models
26 (52%) were photographers
13 out of 26 (50%) photographer profiles contained nude images
70 out of 1022 (6.98%) images contained nudity
6 out of 24 (25%) model portfolios contained nudity
6 out of 24 (25%) models emphatically stated would not pose nude
27 out of 418 (6.45%)  images on model profiles contain nudity

Someone has way too much time on his hands.... wink

Jun 02 06 07:00 am Link

Photographer

Eros Artist Photography

Posts: 1562

Green Cove Springs, Florida, US

Ok, let me preface this by saying I didn't read ALL of the posts. I just can't take the screams of that dying, but not yet dead, horse!

At the risk of inflicting one last punch to the poor beast, I want to say I find it very interesting that people have so many issues with models who work nude and photographers who shoot models who work nude.

I spent years shooting and exhibiting landscapes and still life subjects. Not one single person - no one at all - ever demanded an explanation from me as to why I photographed scenic rivers and mountain ranges. No one cared to know why I shot close-ups of flowers or garlic skins, or a pattern of fractures in a rock or veins in a backlit leaf. Nobody wanted to know why I was so interested in the form presented by a banyan tree's aerial root system or ice crystals on cattail reeds. Nobody wanted to know how long I had to wait in a frozen swamp for the "just right-light", or that I was stung by three yellow jackets whose nest happened to be right where I plunked my tripod to shoot some of the most striking bluebells I'd ever seen.

This was the biggest difference I noticed in shooting the nude - the human response. People were content to gaze at my landscape and nature work, to feel at peace with the beauty of the emotions the images conveyed - but naked people?

Oh baby! Naked people strike a nerve!

What a powerful nerve it is! At my first gallery exhibition of my figure work, people demanded to know: "why do you photograph nude people, why nude women, why no men, why that model, (she's too fat), why that model, (she's too skinny), why don't you show faces, why not more subtle; I don't like to see nipples, why not more subtle; I don't like the hair down there; I don't need to see boobs to know she's beautiful......." And on, and on, and on......

I feel and believe - IMHO only - that most people in our American culture and society are frightened of and intimidated by the nude body. I recall reading a survey years ago that showed most Americans would rather be held up and robbed at gunpoint than be seen nude in a busy public place. I dated a girl in college who revealed to me her parents wouldn't allow her to change her clothes or bathe in a room while the lights were on! Yet as a societal group, huge numbers of our populace spend billions of dollars consuming pornography in our homes, (relax some of you, this is a generalization), while berating any form of art depicting human nudity or sexual expression.

Simply put - I don't get it.

As other responders have said in this post, and as I've said in other posts: if you do nude work; fine. If you don't do nude work; fine. I'm not going to email or message you to model for my figure work. If you don't like seeing nude photography, then don't look at photographs of nudes. I'm not going to email or message you to view my work.

Either way, you don't owe anybody an explanation or justification as to why.

FWIW -

Bill Ballard
Blue Water Photography
Savannah, GA

Jun 02 06 07:34 am Link

Model

Claire Elizabeth

Posts: 1550

Exton, Pennsylvania, US

2 Thoughts For The OP:

1. If you don't like it, don't look at it.
2. Since when are women the only nude models? Last time I checked men took their clothes off too. Where's your thread about that? Huh?

Jun 02 06 07:37 am Link

Photographer

Valkyrur

Posts: 1187

Nelsonville, New York, US

NC17 wrote:
I happen to enjoy being nude, whether its in front of a camera or not. I'd be perfectly content if the weather were about 80 degrees with about 45% humidity. I'd be naked ALL the time. It has nothing to do with the camera.

And as others have said, "tasteless" has NO bearing on whether or not there are clothes involved. Why do people seem to always want to confuse the two?

Is the house next door for sale?

Jun 02 06 07:53 am Link

Photographer

commart

Posts: 6078

Hagerstown, Maryland, US

Well, after doing my first outdoor nude photoshoot today on a rainy deserted ocean beach with a very talented photog and stylist, I think I could take a shot at this.

Oy vey, Jay Bird.  We're not all going to want to look, but we all will, won't we?

ROTFLMAO!

I'll grant you this: you nailed the politics in this thread.

Jun 02 06 08:06 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30131

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Darrin James Malone wrote:
Why do women always take there damn clothes off? I mean, I think implied nudity is enough. I can understand when they are donbg it for a project which could be taken as natural and beautiful, but for the most part, most of these girls and guys are taking nudes that are just NOT tasteful. Do women in particular feel they have to do that for attention? This is a very serious question, I have a lot of respect for women, I guess in a weird way I kinda feel bad...

--DJ

Yeah whats with all dem women taking their clothes off ...I find that it is really taking me some special skills as a photographer to convince them to keep their clothes on ..... It can be a challenge at times

Jun 02 06 08:20 am Link

Model

Krystin

Posts: 286

Friendly, Maryland, US

Personally I like keeping my clothes on. It's all about personal preference. If somebody else wants to pose nude that's good for them. I don't have to do it so why should I care. The OP should realize that since nobody is putting a gun to his head and forcing him to look at the naked women on this site it is none of his concern what they choose to do.

Maybe he should try posing nude and see if his opinons don't change. Maybe he;l gain a little more respect for the lovely ladies who choose this artform.

Jun 02 06 08:33 am Link

Photographer

j-shooter

Posts: 1912

San Francisco, California, US

YeagerVision wrote:
YeagerVision wrote:

I did a random sample of 50 MM profiles:

24 (48%) were models
26 (52%) were photographers
13 out of 26 (50%) photographer profiles contained nude images
70 out of 1022 (6.98%) images contained nudity
6 out of 24 (25%) model portfolios contained nudity
6 out of 24 (25%) models emphatically stated would not pose nude
27 out of 418 (6.45%)  images on model profiles contain nudity

Of the 25% of models who emphatically stated they would not pose nude, 4 of those profiles (65%) contained "bra and panty on a motel bed" poses.

Jun 03 06 03:27 am Link

Photographer

GW Burns

Posts: 564

Sarasota, Florida, US

We are all born into this world naked.  My question is at what age does an adorable cute naked child become a sexual keep that covered and to yourself entity?  new born naked....adorable,
           2 yr old naked....cute
           4 yr old naked....amusing
           7 yr old naked.....o my
           9 yr old naked.....perverted
           12 yr old naked.....arrested
           15 yr old naked.....sex offender
            18 yr old naked....adult pay site contender
            21 yr old naked....playboy
            30 yr old naked....Milf
            40 yr old naked....o my
            45 yr old naked.... amusing
            50 yr old naked.... what is she thinking not even cute
            60 yr old naked....can we look at babies now lol

Jun 03 06 03:43 am Link

Photographer

j-shooter

Posts: 1912

San Francisco, California, US

I have 4 of 16 images on my site reserved for the +18 group. Two barely show a nipple, and the other 2 are art nudes.

The only images to receive more views that the +18 are the image of a girl holding a big toy gun.

People complain more about nudes than about guns and violent images. Go figure?!

Jun 03 06 04:14 am Link