Forums > General Industry > When are the tattoos going to end?

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

photopauluk wrote:

Then why do just about every company nowadays use tattoo and piercing imagery in their advertising, it's a part of our culture and it's here to stay so get used to it.

That's quite the gross exaggeration.  Some comanies use tattoo an piercing imagery, but they often want to choose the tatoo and placement, and so would still rather have a blank canvas to work with and do temp work.

It's not that the world is out to get tattooed people, but this is a modeling industry site (ostensibly), and in an industry where portraying somone else's look is key, tattoos and piercings limit you.

May 03 06 07:53 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Jerry Bennett wrote:

Your soul, mind, and personality make you your own unique person, not some pieces of metal poking through your flesh and some one else's drawings on your skin. Reading your post.... is just sad. Is that really what you think you have to do to be unique?

I beg to differ.  To imply that the art a person chooses to carry on their body permanently has no bearing on who they are as a person is like saying that the images we take have no bearing on ours, just because they are of somebody else.  Granted, there's a lot of hasty, badly chosen ink out there, but there are even more boring, middle-of-the-road bikini images taken by weekend GWCs.  To the people I deal with, a tattoo or body mod is as personal as a fingerprint.

May 03 06 08:28 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Jeff Cohn::X-Pose.net:: wrote:
Subject: When are the tattoos going to end?


"Man its cold, when's it gonna stop snowing?" - Stegasaurus

Wonderfully put.

May 03 06 08:32 pm Link

Photographer

Paul Callaby UK

Posts: 231

Norwich, England, United Kingdom

theda wrote:

That's quite the gross exaggeration.  Some comanies use tattoo an piercing imagery, but they often want to choose the tatoo and placement, and so would still rather have a blank canvas to work with and do temp work.

It's not that the world is out to get tattooed people, but this is a modeling industry site (ostensibly), and in an industry where portraying somone else's look is key, tattoos and piercings limit you.

That may be the case in the states but here in the UK everything from mobile phone companies, to womens beauty products and big name jewellery manufacturers have used REAL tattooed people in their ad campaigns

May 04 06 12:59 pm Link

Model

Monika Maple

Posts: 124

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Muahahahaha...Im getting my entire back tattooed soon tongue
The girls who are getting tattoos are have tattoos, DO NOT CARE! Hehehe.

Honestly though,

The truth is, yes we know we are limiting out work.  You will not see models who want to get into the top agencies seriously and want to become top runway or fashion models with tattoos.  Tattoos are fine for everyone else.  People who dont like them, wont shoot you.  Some people will shoot you only because of your body art.  Its a choice between limiting your life or limiting you work.  So of us choose the latter, which is detremential to our work, but it is a choice everyone makes.

May 04 06 02:55 pm Link

Model

Monika Maple

Posts: 124

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Muahahahaha...Im getting my entire back tattooed soon tongue
The girls who are getting tattoos and have tattoos, DO NOT CARE! Hehehe.

Honestly though,

The truth is, yes we know we are limiting out work.  You will not see models who want to get into the top agencies seriously and want to become top runway or fashion models with tattoos.  Tattoos are fine for everyone else.  People who dont like them, wont shoot you.  Some people will shoot you only because of your body art.  Its a choice between limiting your life or limiting you work.  So of us choose the latter, which is detremential to our work, but it is a choice everyone makes.

May 04 06 02:55 pm Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

I beg to differ.  To imply that the art a person chooses to carry on their body permanently has no bearing on who they are as a person is like saying that the images we take have no bearing on ours, just because they are of somebody else.  Granted, there's a lot of hasty, badly chosen ink out there, but there are even more boring, middle-of-the-road bikini images taken by weekend GWCs.  To the people I deal with, a tattoo or body mod is as personal as a fingerprint.

I don't think that's what Jerry was saying at all.  A person's body art is a part of what makes them unique, but it's not the only thing (we hope). If you NEED tattooes to feel like an individual, there's a deeper issue.

May 04 06 04:00 pm Link

Photographer

81photography

Posts: 8

Nashville, Arkansas, US

I think that tatoos that are bright and colorful (i.e. wwII style) are great and add so much to a shot and to a person. Those dull colorless tat's aren't my favorite. I've seen some people's work with models that have tattoos on a white background....instant killer photo.

but thats just my opinion.

May 04 06 04:10 pm Link

Photographer

Mark Heaps

Posts: 786

Austin, Texas, US

As a photographer and also a private appt only tattoo artist I'm hear to tell you they are not going away as mentioned earlier.  People are getting them younger and older, jobs are more accepting, laws are more protective of rights for people with them...the technology is getting better, they look better and there are 3 times as many shops today as there were a decade ago.

They are here to stay guys, compose with them.  Someone also mentioned they are raising the cost of removing them and blah blah blah, it just sounds to me like some guys need to get faster at photoshop work or hire someone who is... (ahem*)

I removed 134 images with tattoos last year in half a days work...all for print, all for stock art for a design agency.  It's not that hard, honestly.

May 04 06 04:12 pm Link

Photographer

Caspers Creations

Posts: 11409

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Yeah....Ive got no problem with the ink or metal.....I think its nice touch and if needed it can usually be covered.

May 04 06 04:14 pm Link

Photographer

jk photographics

Posts: 7

Lebanon, Indiana, US

Cherish Kortesmaki wrote:
Tattoes are beautiful and expressive. They make you unique. Why the hell would I want to look like every other girl out there? My tattoes and piercings are what make me my own person.

Remember, you are indeed free to be your own person.  I, being also free, am free to hire models who are inked. And I don't.  Therre are a huge number of pretty faces and bodies around for me to choose from for projects. Why would I create more work for myself when the clients don't want uniqueness? They are selling a product and not your uniqueness.

May 04 06 04:22 pm Link

Photographer

jk photographics

Posts: 7

Lebanon, Indiana, US

Lynn Elizabeth wrote:
I have a very small tattoo of 3 shooting stars on my pelvis area. It is very easy to cover. I have it because I love everything about stars, they are one of natures beauties. My suggestion to the photogs that don't like tattoos is to see if the models have them and if they can be covered up easily. If you still don't like it then just don't shoot with models that have them. Sometimes there is a story behind a tattoo. Don't diss them without knowing their story.

It's not a matter of dissing....it's economics, pure and simple.  I won't create more work for myself. The question for models is, "Am I limiting my marketability by getting inked?"  If you don't care, so be it.  If you do....

May 04 06 04:29 pm Link

Model

Jax

Posts: 120

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I think most of the models in the industry are smart enough to realize that tattoos and piercings can and do hinder/help them in some way. If a photographer doesnt want to work with me because Im so heavily modified and covered, I really dont care. I get enough work because I take great photos regardless of my modifications. Ive had photographers who claimed they hate tattoos contact me and work with me, because of my PRESENCE in front of the camera. My tattoos are a part of me and my image, and I dont regret anything Ive done for one second. I have two photographers as of now paying my way to two different states for two different shoots that arent *porn*. There are many photographers out there that LIKE and PREFER those like me with a unique appearance. If you have a problem with tattoos, quit whining about them and look for models who dont have them, and leave us for photographers who enjoy shooting us. They arent going away anytime soon, deal with it and do what you want to do that doesnt involve constantly bad mouthing those of us who live the lifestyle. I dont bitch if a photographer doesnt want to shoot me because of my mods. You probably wouldnt know how to market the pictures and make something of them anyways, so why waste anyones time.

To sum it all up, if you dont like tattoos, quit bitching and find those without them.

May 05 06 04:08 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Morris Photography

Posts: 20901

Los Angeles, California, US

Tattoos have been around longer than cameras! what if they said beat it with your camera.

nuff said

May 05 06 04:12 pm Link

Photographer

Paul Callaby UK

Posts: 231

Norwich, England, United Kingdom

Jax wrote:
I think most of the models in the industry are smart enough to realize that tattoos and piercings can and do hinder/help them in some way. If a photographer doesnt want to work with me because Im so heavily modified and covered, I really dont care. I get enough work because I take great photos regardless of my modifications. Ive had photographers who claimed they hate tattoos contact me and work with me, because of my PRESENCE in front of the camera. My tattoos are a part of me and my image, and I dont regret anything Ive done for one second. I have two photographers as of now paying my way to two different states for two different shoots that arent *porn*. There are many photographers out there that LIKE and PREFER those like me with a unique appearance. If you have a problem with tattoos, quit whining about them and look for models who dont have them, and leave us for photographers who enjoy shooting us. They arent going away anytime soon, deal with it and do what you want to do that doesnt involve constantly bad mouthing those of us who live the lifestyle. I dont bitch if a photographer doesnt want to shoot me because of my mods. You probably wouldnt know how to market the pictures and make something of them anyways, so why waste anyones time.

To sum it all up, if you dont like tattoos, quit bitching and find those without them.

Summed up Beautifully

May 05 06 05:40 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

theda wrote:

I don't think that's what Jerry was saying at all.  A person's body art is a part of what makes them unique, but it's not the only thing (we hope). If you NEED tattooes to feel like an individual, there's a deeper issue.

Deeper issues are what tattoos, cameras, modelling...art in general is all about.  When did it become unfasionable to be a complex, multilayered individual?

May 05 06 05:43 pm Link

Photographer

Paul Callaby UK

Posts: 231

Norwich, England, United Kingdom

jk photographics wrote:
It's not a matter of dissing....it's economics, pure and simple.  I won't create more work for myself. The question for models is, "Am I limiting my marketability by getting inked?"  If you don't care, so be it.  If you do....

With your attitude the same can be said of you, are you not limiting your market place by not wanting to work with tattooed models..........it works both ways.

May 05 06 06:16 pm Link

Model

Wynd Mulysa

Posts: 8619

Berkeley, California, US

Tattoos are beautiful.
Lack of tattoos are beautiful.
Everyone has a different preference.
No one is "right."

When is this argument going to end?!

May 05 06 06:21 pm Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
Deeper issues are what tattoos, cameras, modelling...art in general is all about.  When did it become unfasionable to be a complex, multilayered individual?

Being superficial enough to anchor your self-image to your outward appearance so strongly isn't all it's cracked up to be, fashionable or not.

May 05 06 08:32 pm Link

Model

Modell T

Posts: 767

San Diego, California, US

Although I don't have any tatoos, I do like looking at them...and find the art that everyone (but me) can decide on living with for the rest of their natural lives, quite facinating.  It truly is an art, and I respect it...

I wonder if it can't be covered up with make-up for a shoot?

I have a few dark scars that I put make-up on to cover for shoots...it doesn't ALWAYS do the trick, but certainly helps in some way...

Have other models tried using cover-up on them and how well does it work?

Where there's a will, there's a way...

Just curious...in case I end up getting one, one of these years of my life....

T

May 05 06 08:45 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

William Bell wrote:
Please, can somebody tell folks "enough already!"

And while we are ranting, ... when is everyone going to stop shaving themselves bald all the time?

I have an insatiable hunger for soft, feminine, pristine natural beauty that's getting damn hard to find.

Click Hamilton ;-)
www.pbase.com/click_hamilton

May 05 06 11:14 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

Suzan Aktug wrote:
And on another note,
If I get my tits boosted up another cup, you'll love me.
If I make my lips a little fuller with collagen you'll call me perfect.
But dare I have a little 3x3 inch black mark on my body and suddenly I'm deforming myself?

Fuck that.

OK

May 05 06 11:22 pm Link

Model

Wynd Mulysa

Posts: 8619

Berkeley, California, US

Click Hamilton wrote:

And while we are ranting, ... when is everyone going to stop shaving themselves bald all the time?

I have an insatiable hunger for soft, feminine, pristine natural beauty that's getting damn hard to find.

Click Hamilton ;-)
www.pbase.com/click_hamilton

Yay!

May 05 06 11:24 pm Link

Photographer

David Velez

Posts: 626

New York, New York, US

I hope never.
The true tattoos are always better than the fake applied on ones for shoots.
The ink rocks!

May 05 06 11:30 pm Link

Model

Jay Dezelic

Posts: 5029

Seattle, Washington, US

Someday, I will be the only model without any tattoos or piercings and I will be able to charge a gazillion dollars. Until then, TFP anyone? smile

May 05 06 11:30 pm Link

Photographer

James Graham

Posts: 741

Brooklyn, New York, US

Tattoos aren't going to end - they are permanent.

May 05 06 11:33 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

theda wrote:
Being superficial enough to anchor your self-image to your outward appearance so strongly isn't all it's cracked up to be, fashionable or not.

Well I'm certain you know more about that than i do.

May 07 06 07:50 am Link

Photographer

Malloch

Posts: 2566

Hastings, England, United Kingdom

photopauluk wrote:

Then why do just about every company nowadays use tattoo and piercing imagery in their advertising, it's a part of our culture and it's here to stay so get used to it.

Tattoos have been around since the dawn of time. Some like them some don't. However, not every company wants them in there ads. Over the past 3 years I have had a whole bunch of clients instruct me that they did not want to even consider models with permanent tattoos. Instead if a tattoo was thought to be required they would have a temporary on appied that would suit their product, the same goes for peircings. Also there is the time element, I don't have time to sit and edit out a tattoo of photoshop, I will just employ a model that does not have one. There is a prime example in the ad done by the footballer David Beckham, the client removed his tattoos for the ad although everyone know he had them. The reason they gave was that it distracted the viewer from their product.

May 07 06 08:28 am Link

Photographer

Burgos Photography

Posts: 641

Washington, District of Columbia, US

I'm getting a tattoo of myself put on me, but two inches taller...

May 07 06 08:35 am Link

Photographer

EL PIC

Posts: 2835

Austin, Indiana, US

Sometime it enhances and More often it distracts.
I normaly do the perfect body model but ...
Check out the first 2 pics in my port and tell me
and the model what you think.

E L

May 07 06 04:13 pm Link

Photographer

Leprechaun

Posts: 19

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US

Alexandria M. wrote:
modeling is the exact reason i won't get a tattoo. i want to leave my body "open" for any kind of shoot. plus, they can always be painted on for a specific shoot.

you can't argue with that logic !

May 07 06 04:28 pm Link

Photographer

Paul Ward

Posts: 183

New York, New York, US

I shy away from models with tattoos.  I did work with a guy who had frat tattoos and BRANDS on his body.  Ended up doing some very low key work to hide them (and not give me a photoshop nightmare).

It's preferable for me to work with a blank canvas for my images rather than work with a canvas that another artist has put a mark on wink

May 08 06 08:41 am Link

Photographer

Paul Callaby UK

Posts: 231

Norwich, England, United Kingdom

E L Fanucchi wrote:
Sometime it enhances and More often it distracts.
I normaly do the perfect body model but ...
Check out the first 2 pics in my port and tell me
and the model what you think.

E L

Nice shots, nice model, for somebody who normally shoots the perfect body 4 out of your port contain tattoo imagery, quite a large amount % wise.

May 08 06 09:41 am Link

Photographer

Paul Callaby UK

Posts: 231

Norwich, England, United Kingdom

jmc wrote:

Tattoos have been around since the dawn of time. Some like them some don't. However, not every company wants them in there ads. Over the past 3 years I have had a whole bunch of clients instruct me that they did not want to even consider models with permanent tattoos. Instead if a tattoo was thought to be required they would have a temporary on appied that would suit their product, the same goes for peircings. Also there is the time element, I don't have time to sit and edit out a tattoo of photoshop, I will just employ a model that does not have one. There is a prime example in the ad done by the footballer David Beckham, the client removed his tattoos for the ad although everyone know he had them. The reason they gave was that it distracted the viewer from their product.

You've got to admit yourself tho that when tattoos first started to become fashionable a few years back a lot of so called trendy companies were the first to jump on the band wagon with regard to using bodyart imagery in thier ad campaigns, particularly those that wanted to appeal to the younger market place.
I'm not saying that literally every company in the UK uses tattoo imagery, but there are a lot who have and do.

May 08 06 09:47 am Link

Model

Akaii

Posts: 175

Manassas, Virginia, US

SayCheeZ! wrote:
Like any other fad, I think the tatoo craze is (thankfully) on the downslope.
Just like bellbottoms and long hair were ''so 70's'', and Big Hair was ''so 80's'', in a few years the 'hip' crowd will see tatoos and say that it was ''so 00's''.

Buy stock in companies that make Lazer tatoo removal equipment!  It'll be hotter than GM!

you know whats funny about that?
it will only get "worse" from here... tattoos are going to be the "wuss" thing to do...only "older" people have them.. young kids have to rebel a little harder now
the new thing? Implants, extreme piercings, and suspensions smile
heck..you are talking to someone who has/had extreme piercings and does suspensions on the regular...
and its catching on wink
be scared

May 08 06 09:49 am Link

Photographer

Paul Callaby UK

Posts: 231

Norwich, England, United Kingdom

Celestial Sinn wrote:

you know whats funny about that?
it will only get "worse" from here... tattoos are going to be the "wuss" thing to do...only "older" people have them.. young kids have to rebel a little harder now
the new thing? Implants, extreme piercings, and suspensions smile
heck..you are talking to someone who has/had extreme piercings and does suspensions on the regular...
and its catching on wink
be scared

I don't think that some of these are ready for that yet, lmao.

May 08 06 10:01 am Link

Model

ShelleyK

Posts: 41

Aldershot, England, United Kingdom

We kinda get the idea that some of you don't like tattoos and won't use tattooed models, but what exactly are you hoping to gain by ranting about it? 

Are you hoping that all models with tattoos will quit the industry? - Won't happen!
Do you you needing to influence the decisions of those who are thinking about getting inked? - Not up to you!
Do you just want to upset us tattooed models? - Not gonna work, we have too much attitude to get upset by a bit of ranting lol!
Are you setting up in the tattoo removal business?

Moaning isn't going to help, it won't change a thing, I can only assume that, those of you who are so upset by tattooed models can't find anyone you want to shoot who is unmarked, otherwise, why bitch, just shoot the models with no tats, simple!!!?????

May 08 06 10:15 am Link

Photographer

h.s.Art

Posts: 1

Chicago, Illinois, US

I use photography for source material, so I don't claim to be a pro-shooter. But I look for models on this site that have alt looks, and frankly there's only a very small %. There's plenty of models with out tattoo's for most of you "Pros" ...  Why should anyone care one way or another? 

Glad to see ya using your smiley faces.

May 08 06 10:40 am Link

Model

super sarah

Posts: 6

Fredericksburg, Indiana, US

Bill, the rest of your post clearly explains that you ARE anti tattoo. And, yes, you can be "unique" with them, but it is hard to come up with completely new ideas just as it is in photography. I love my tattoo, and KNOW it is unique and edgy, but doesn't make me as a model. I think tattoos are great.

May 08 06 08:18 pm Link

Model

Jax

Posts: 120

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Celestial Sinn wrote:

you know whats funny about that?
it will only get "worse" from here... tattoos are going to be the "wuss" thing to do...only "older" people have them.. young kids have to rebel a little harder now
the new thing? Implants, extreme piercings, and suspensions smile
heck..you are talking to someone who has/had extreme piercings and does suspensions on the regular...
and its catching on wink
be scared

Lol, how right you are! When I started suspending and split my tongue 5 years ago, it was extremely underground, now its becoming trendy as well. Theres an audio company in Phoenix who uses the image of a suspension in all their ads. I have scarification, my tongue split and will be getting subdermal implants soon on my wrists. Oh the irony of how things work in this world!

May 09 06 03:54 pm Link