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Believe It Or Not: No-Show Excuse # ***
I dont give the model the chance for a "reason/excuse"...they call and say can I re-schedule the shoot...and before they say anything else, I cut them off and say yes, do you want to talk about it now or later? when they reply later, I write them off as a model and expect nothing. I guess thats why I only do test with the internet models, I like to make sure that they like me and my work. I gauge a bunch of stuff from the test, promptness, phone communication, general attitude, so I can decide if I want to work with them again...Go figure, never caught any model in a lie...don't care too. Mar 05 06 12:16 pm Link jmc wrote: Now that is quite commendable! There's something to be said about models like her for being very professional and having oustanding work ethics! More power to individuals like her! Mar 05 06 12:32 pm Link HungryEye wrote: Well my friend, I'm glad that it works for you! I was to meet a new 4 woman modeling troop at a bookstore coffee shop. I already new the leader. Only 2 showed up, including the leader. She explained that 1 of the others didn't have a car & she would've been late had she gone & gotten her, no good reason for the 4th member. I immediately did the simple subtraction, only thinking of 3 from then on. We had a good meeting of about an hour, discussing ALL particulars. The new girl even telling me that she use to strip and has taken porn type pictures before, so she wasn't shy, but she now wanted everything to somewhat classy. Mind you, I hadn't mentioned nude at all. But hey, I'm game. The shoot was scheduled for 5 days later, a Sunday morning, at the leaders' home, which I previously scouted to make sure we could get good shots. Come Sunday, the girl with no car isn't even answering the leaders calls & Ms. not scared now wants to see my portfolio before shooting with me! Uh, we met 5 days ago, my portfolio was in my car, you never asked to see it, your leader has seen it & the shoot is freakin' TFCD!!!! So I ended up only shooting the le... well the one I already knew. I can't say leader because this broke them apart. Mar 05 06 12:50 pm Link StudioMona wrote: Mar 30 06 01:34 pm Link StudioMona wrote: I just assume that if models are so un-professional as to bail on a TFP shoot without notice or explanation there is no way I can trust booking them on a paid job with more at stake. Blacklisted as far as I am concerned. Mar 30 06 01:44 pm Link get this. when i was in VA i set up a shoot with another photographer after the one that had paid for my ticket. The second photographer was supposed to get my hotel room. The time comes and he totally flakes so I was stuck in VA with no hotel room but lucky for me , my photographer that I work with a lot out here in ATL was there so I hung out with him. I ended up having to catch an earlier flight home..still waiting on the check from the photographer  he was supposed to reimburse me for the ticket. I must say that the very least he should do but he cant even seem to get that right.Mar 30 06 01:50 pm Link jus canceled apr 1 due to that reason she doesnt show interest and hasnt contacted me for over a month ... even after i mm msged and emailed her ... plus im not gettin a location if i dont have a model .. i can use that time for something else or another model Mar 30 06 01:55 pm Link I had a model jailed one time ... Mar 30 06 02:00 pm Link ive had 4 no shows this week(from different people)..............i dont know if they were lies but i think the better question is why commit to something that you cant do? i ALWAYS get a message less then 3 hours before shoots, which sucks because i had everything set up. in school its hard enough to get the space for a time, im sure its better with a studio, at least youve got something to keep you busy like, paper work or photoshop. I'd rather be cold calling...... Mar 30 06 02:05 pm Link StudioMona wrote: Makes ya wanna roll them up in a big lumpia wrapper and deep fry them Mar 30 06 02:09 pm Link "I am in California; rush trip." 30 minutes later I see her in the local Walmart; no I did not say anything. I did not let her knew I saw her. deleted from model directory. Mar 30 06 02:16 pm Link ACPS Inc Eugene Breaux wrote: I agree with that statement 100%. Mar 30 06 02:30 pm Link It's not just models whopull this stuff. I had a photog coming in from out of state and had set an appointment to shoot with her. I called the day before to confirm and set what I was to bring and where to meet. I worked the next day and was to meet her after work. I had arranged for my escort to be there, leave work early to make sure I was there on time. SHe leaves a message on my phone that day (mind you I can't keep my phone on me at work) that "something has come up" and she can't shoot. As she was leaving town the next day, we couldn't re-schedule. I called back and of course she didn't answer. I expected I would get an email or something when she returned home to explain, but have gotten nothing. Here's the kicker, she's a model as well. I bet she'd really be ticked off if someone did this to her. Mar 30 06 02:37 pm Link William Coleman wrote: Easy. Just tell her you understand and you weren't going to be able to make it either since your brother ( son, cousin, etc. ) had been killed in a bar just last night. Mar 30 06 03:08 pm Link ACPS Inc Eugene Breaux wrote: wow...thats abit harsh isnt it? i at least try to reshoot, but i do end up finding new models because in some weird way the models that dont show dont seem to want to respond to anything after they write their excuse.i ask when they want to reshoot(well actually just shoot) then they take a long time to respond with an excuse that they were "busy" so they couldnt respond to my email....like they dont use their computer everyday or something...like im going to believe THAT. Mar 30 06 05:32 pm Link I don't get any excuses, I never hear from my no-shows again. I don't bother to try to contact them either. Mar 30 06 08:58 pm Link I'm lovin the feed back system. It would have to be separated in to two sections though as to not be confusing. One would be reliability and the other would be on thier port. Because if someone was good looking and had a nice port they would get rated highly, conversly if they didn't have a good port but were reliable they would get rated porly and that wouldn't be fair. a lot of times, they just vanish. When I do get excuses it is for the silliest things and it used to bother me as to what I did wrong. It is great reading all of the other posts. Now I know it isn't me! I keep trying but I don't know how anyone can improve thier skill and make it with all of the flakes out there. Mark Mar 31 06 02:34 pm Link I've had two no shows. The first one (ca. 1999) was honest: She overslept. She took responsibility for her own actions. The second one (2003) gave me a string of excuses so unlikely that I didn't even bother to remember any of them, and when she asked to reschedule I said no. Mar 31 06 02:39 pm Link yes to all of the above, and more than once as well. Mar 31 06 02:42 pm Link The most unusual excuse that I got was: "I missed the high tide". I had no way of knowing nor cared if it was true. I'm a photographer and not a freaking Christopher Columbus. Mar 31 06 02:42 pm Link I for one have never "no-showed" and only cancelled a shoot once with a week's notice. I did have a photographer no show on me once though. I was at the studio, waited for 20 minutes and he never showed. I left him like 6 messages and he called me the next day to say it slipped his mind and wanted to reschedule. Im in DE and hes in VA so I chalked it up to a lesson learned and havent worked with him. Mar 31 06 02:51 pm Link The last model I worked with was 30 mins late to the shoot, normally that wouldnt bother me so much except I took off work early to be there and we were supposed to shoot sunset shots so at the time of her arrival it was too late to do it... go figure. Ive also found that any friend you talk into modeling for you can be even more flakey...lol Apr 01 06 01:47 pm Link Michael McGowan wrote: Oh no, what a post. You poor thing! I would be happy to shoot with you and I am willing to bet I could beat the odds and even arrive safe and healthy. That so-called model that called to cancel and then forgot to hang up while asking her bf if that sounded believable is an absolute joke. She makes the rest of us look like idiots. Although I guess, without people like her, the real models wouldn't be as strongly appreciated. Anyway I'm sorry to hear about it Apr 02 06 09:55 am Link Ok I dont want to sound like I'm defending No Shows because I'm not but the day before a shoot I had scheduled my 1 yr. Old son got sick with the stomach flu and diareah and stuff. Well it was about 1 o'clock in the morning when it happened so obviosly I wasn't going to call the photographer at that time. Anyways I decided to send my son to Day Care the next morning thinking it wouldnt be so bad and that he would be better just because I had this shoot schedule and I didnt want to seem flaky. + "the photographer might not believe my excuse" Well I got to the shoot about 45 minutes into the shoot my cellphone is ringing like crazy I really didnt want to pick up because of what they say about cellphones in shoot. So I waited until the photographer was done taking the first couple of shots.Then When I get the voicemail that my son was rushed to the hospital from the Day Care because of vomiting and dehydration. I had to bail in the middle of the shoot. It might seem unprofesional but didnt wan't to be a bad mother either. I told the photographer he kind of put his pissed off face but I guess he understood and let me go.But that day I would have wish I would have cancelled instead of going. Apr 02 06 12:29 pm Link Sick Calvin Merritt them and be done with it... Apr 02 06 12:41 pm Link Not having read this whole thread............... I'd hate to be the close relative of a model [especially a grandparent]. I'd love to be their [car] insurance agent and/or own the body shop where they take their car. Apr 02 06 12:55 pm Link All of you are talented and serious about photography so why on earth do you allow people to waste your time? ANYBODY intrested in shooting with you should be charged some sort of deposit. Have them mail it to you. No excuses over they have no cash. Make it small like $25.00 or even $20.00. If TFP they get it back when they shoot. No show for any reason and no refund, period. Yes, some models may not want to send it to you but those are models who wouldn't show anyway. Models that want to shoot will understand your policy and fork over a deposit they will get back unless they really aren't planning to shoot in the first place. At some point we have to set things in place so people don't waste our time because if we don't we will continue to complain and things will not change. Apr 02 06 01:33 pm Link duh, posted this twice lol Apr 03 06 08:57 am Link StudioMona wrote: Apr 03 06 09:03 am Link Oh Yea, it's not fun.. you find out the model canceled with you, she states some lame excuss, you believe her, only to find out she shot with a different photographer when she was booked to shoot with you.. Apr 03 06 09:05 am Link Pat Thielen wrote: no shows is part of life... i showed up once at a private yoga clients place and he wasn't there... Apr 03 06 09:13 am Link A photographer I know used to have a lot of no-shows. I dont know why, he's very good, and a straight up guy. So he gets this great idea. He tells his tfp internet models (agency models and those with brains dont need this) that he has an agent friend who scouts for _________ (fill in the blanks, but usually Maxim) who plans on attending the shoot because he really wants to meet her. guess what? no more no-shows!!! And here's the best part. when the model gets there, he tells her that his friend had something come up and had to fly to NY or LA or wherever, but wants to see the proofs.... the model works even harder under the belief that the agent will be looking at them. I have not had to resort to that, but it's good to know. Apr 03 06 09:32 am Link yes, its a real annoyance. Apr 03 06 09:39 am Link Rob Walker wrote: LOL.. I had almost forgotten this one... Apr 03 06 09:47 am Link Can't match most of those. LOL. Last year I was working on a project that required 2-3 models. I had been talking to 2, 1 of whom was a former model. We had spent 2 months laying out the details by email. I booked a hotel for them (non refundable), bought and rented some extra gear, rented a car, and blocked out the weekend. Because I'm a nice guy, (1 of the gals I've known for a few years), I offered to drive up and pick them up, and bring them back afterwards. The shots were for a pay site (non-nude tease), and they would receive residuals from the site, plus get to keep all outfits bought for the sets. As I'm on my way out the door to get the rental car, I get a call canceling the whole thing. Reasons? One of them had an injury and the other got cold feet. Cost me a small chunk of change and kinda burned me on the whole project. I haven't heard from them in months. Right now, I'm getting back into the swing of things, but going in a different direction more for my own satisfaction than anything else. Apr 03 06 10:46 pm Link Oh do I have no-show stories!! (btw, Jeff, I like the idea of mentioning the "friend with connections", hmmmm). One girl had been out of the game for awhile and contacted me to update her book. I agreed, and we had a great shoot. We both got some very usable work from it. We decided right then and there to set up another shoot to work on a project she was good for. We scheduled, face to face in person, for two weekends later. I went out and bought the requisite props and wardrobe for the shoot - spent a week or so planning and plotting - even testing light patterns. The night before the shoot, she emails -- doesn't call -- she is having a very bad period - bloated, crampy, etc. Can we reschedule? I didn't have another weekend available for about a month, but told her we could do it on such and such a date. Didn't hear back from her. On the very next Tuesday, a photographer I admire and respect from another town posted a few shots he had done of the same model (really fabulous and incredible shots).... the day she cancelled with me! I called him and told him what she'd done to me. He was aghast. She told him that she was supposed to "shoot with some hack" the day she shot with him. Neither he nor I have ever worked with her again. Apr 04 06 08:58 am Link Heres my catching the model in their lie story. Had a scheduled model for a TFP shoot no show on me. Woulden't return calls for a few hours, but I eventually got an e-mail from them claiming they were in a car accident, had hurt their leg, and would have to reschedule. No problem I thought, it was not a terribly complex setup and I had incurred minimum expense, so I headed off to a pick-up soccer game I was supposed to play in that afternoon, only to find the model playing on the opposite team. A friend of mine (who was, unknown to me at the time, also a friend of the model) had dragged him along to play because we were a few players short. His leg seemed to be healed by then, and the look on his face when he realized who I was, was more than worth cancelling the shoot. Apr 04 06 09:14 am Link Leo Howard wrote: Wow she was definitely caught in a bad lie that is a shame cause you both have beautiful portfolios Im sure she will definitely show up to the next ones that she schedules if she knows whats good for her! LOL! Apr 04 06 01:10 pm Link A workshop I was attending a few years ago had booked a Model over a month beforehand. Her pictures were on the email notifications and she had agreed to the pay rate, plus lunch, possibly a fancy dinner out with all the Photographers and other Models. A few weeks before the shoot she cancels saying she had a wedding to go to. What woman doesn't know MONTHS in advance of a wedding she will be going to Most know their friends are getting married before the guy proposes. Hell my wife tells me we have some wedding to go a month or so in advance. So a few weeks is a little strange, but the chief photographer hires someone else, and puts together a new flyer. A week before the shoot our wedding guest call the chief photographer asking for the job back. We figured she was hopeing for a higher paying gig that never materialized. Hell NO! We had three better looking Models who did show up and had a great time AND dinner and got paid. Apr 04 06 10:01 pm Link This is just another reason why we should STOP PURSUING newbie models and instead recruit (and pay) reliable, professional-minded models. I normally book half-day shoots. A model skipping out on a 4-hour block has wasted $500 of income potential at my studio (booking in clients and instead making money on that time). Many newbie models have no concept of business, reputation, or professionalism -- and the few newbies that do will normally pursue the photographers with whom they desire to work. James Apr 05 06 06:02 am Link |
