Tony Lawrence wrote:
There is a old joke that goes.  A man asks a women if she will sleep with him for
$1,000.00 dollars.  She says yes.  He then asks if she will sleep with him for
$100.00 and she says, what kind of women do you think I am?  He says, well we've
established that now we are negotiating price.

Heh, I just posted that a bit above.

Plastercasting wrote:
$20?????  I assume nobody is topless then

That is a set up fee.  It goes where it goes.  I'm just the "coordinator."

SLE Photography wrote:

Which is why a couple of us mentioned the concern of you not having images like that.  It's a pain to hire a model for a feee & have her show up & be uptight & uncomfortable.  You waste a lot of money on a session that goes nowhere.

I actually just did a partial nude shoot this past weekend.  one of the images made it to the showcase gallery on onemodelplace.  check it out here - www.onemodelplace.com/photomatt2000

I'm really proud of it

ill be posting the pics from that shoot onto my profile tomorrow.

Jayne Jones wrote:
Photographers. . .am I wrong about this:
If you model nude or topless, you aren't being paid to "bare your breasts, coochie or whatever" you're being paid to help the photog convey a "look" that happens to be clothesless/naked.  Your statement "if somebody wants to see my tits then they can pay to see them" comes across as somewhat pornographic and I don't view all nudes in that way.

You rock Jayne. You simply rock.

Wild Horse Photography wrote:
You rock Jayne. You simply rock.

Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.  I'm here all week!

theda wrote:
>quote=Sogno Dolce]as a matter of fact, no I have not considered working peep shows.  I seriously cannot believe you even had the nerve to bring that up.<
Well, you had the nerve to assert that we should pay to see your tits, so why not pick a more logical profession?

In a big way I agree with Theda... but to put it even more bluntly, for less than 80 bucks I could get la*d.

When it comes to boobs... if you've seen one you seen 'em both.

Studio36

SLE Photography wrote:

But did you start out as those rates when you'd never done it, had no work to show, and were nervous about doing it?
And were you in a place where the marjet would bear those rates?
Those're the crucial points here.

I did the usual TFP, then my first paid shoot was $400 for 2 hours, I have never looked back since.

Lana

Sogno Dolce wrote:
is charging 80/hour for partial nudity (breasts exposed only) too much?

nope.

studio36uk wrote:
In a big way I agree with Theda... but to put it even more bluntly, for less than 80 bucks I could get la*d.

When it comes to boobs... if you've seen one you seen 'em both.

Studio36

Man, that would be one cheap whore.

I'm not attacking the person so much as the point being made.

SLE Photography wrote:

Heh, I just posted that a bit above.

Ha, ha I just read it.  Great minds think alike.

SLE Photography wrote:
And hey, if you feel she's worth it & can make $ off the images, more power to you  :-)
It's the exception to the market rules for her, in all likelihood, but bully for her.  I'd imagine if you let her use some good images from the shoot she can get higher rates later.

I hire a model for her look.  Experience has never been a factor for me.  Now amount of experience will overcome a look that doesn't work.

I understand that there are those on the forums that place importance on experience. From a commercial standpoint, I have never udnerstood that. 

But since we all do this for different reasons, each of us must book the models that fit our needs.

However the OP asked the question if charging $80hr was inappropriate.   The answer is obviously "No."  $80 an hour is a rate which is within the norms for nudity.

I recognize that there are photographers that may pass on her because of her rate or experience.  She obviously doesn't want to model nude unless she is paid.  It is for her to decide how to balance her rates versus the number of bookings she gets.

I also understand that some photographers won't be publishing the images they take and therefore they are not in a position to pay $80hr.  That would justify paying a lower rate and I agree that it is reasonable for those photographers to pay less.  That doesn't mean she has to accept it.

Andrew Semansco wrote:
There is really no reason to even be considering rates now for taking off your clothes. Improve your portfolio (there are only ten photographs in it and only a few of them are worthy), gain experience and then you will be in a better position to decide what is best.

Sure there is.  People are asking. It's good to have an answer.

theda wrote:
Man, that would be one cheap whore.

I'm not attacking the person so much as the point being made.

And I didn't direct that at her individually either - just a general observation. And as for the rate? Nevada "out of town" rates... not LV or Reno. Pretty comparable, too, to what can be had in almost any big city in America.

It rubs me the wrong way when inexperienced "photographic" models start charging silly money for by-the-square-inch images, and I can get experienced "artists" models for a fraction of the price and get more exposure out of them at the same time.

The whole thing about models setting a price list... like 40 bucks for this and 75 bucks for that but for 150 you get boobs and an egg roll... smacks of a negotiation for a hooker. A BJ is this much and Half-n-Half will cost you that much, but I'll do a HJ for only this much.

Models should set a price for their TIME and not the amount of skin they show and see what the market brings to their door.

Do we hear the photographers saying "I'll pay you a buck a frame for B&W... but I'll pay you a buck 20 if you let me shoot in colour?"

Studio36

studio36uk wrote:

And I didn't direct that at her individually either - just a general observation. And as for the rate? Nevada "out of town" rates... not LV or Reno. Pretty comparable, too, to what can be had in almost any big city in America.

It rubs me the wrong way when inexperienced "photographic" models start charging silly money for by-the-square-inch images, and I can get experienced "artists" models for a fraction of the price and get more exposure out of them at the same time.

The whole thing about models setting a price list... like 40 bucks for this and 75 bucks for that but for 150 you get boobs and an egg roll... smacks of a negotiation for a hooker.

Models should set a price for their TIME and not the amount of skin they show and see what the market brings to their door.

Do we hear the photographers saying "I'll pay you a buck a frame for B&W... but I'll pay you a buck 20 if you let me shoot in colour?"

Studio36

Great post!  Thats what hit most of us about this thread.  She has the right of
course to decide what her time is worth but something about the tone of the
OP's question added to her profile made some of us whince.

studio36uk wrote:
Models should set a price for their TIME and not the amount of skin they show and see what the market brings to their door.

I agree 100%!  I'm just starting out, and I feel that part of deciding to be a model is deciding what you will model.  If you feel comfortable being nude (partial or full) then that's something you're comfortable with and that would be a type of job that you would accept.  Similar to if you're an actor/actress and the part you are offered calls for nudity and you don't want your grandma to go to the movie and see your grown up fanny. . .you may or may not accept that part.

To say. . .I'm uncomfortable being shot nude but will be more comfortable the more I'm paid. . .is like he says remnicent of prostitution in my opinion.  I'm no stripper, I'm a model.  I should be hired because I have a certain look that is desired, and if I specify that I'm not comfortable with nude photography. . .I won't be chosen to take nude photos.  I feel as a model, if I'm offered a paid job. . .it's time for pay.  If I'm offered an unpaid job, it's time for print/CD.  If the job I'm paid for falls within my comfort level. . .I'll take it and work my ass off while I'm there be it clothed or not clothed.  But that compensation is not commensurate to amount of skin shown.  That cut and dry for me.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
What I want to know is, where are all these photographers that can afford to
pay models $80.00 or more per hour for a shoot.  Guys like Alan have websites
so a investment like that he can make back but the average John I mean guy.
How does he afford it?  From what I understand doesn't a non centerfold
model shooting for Playboy makes around $500.00.  If a shoot lets a average of
three to four hours a photographer would actually be paying a nude model more
per hour then a model shooting for Playboy.

Now you are talking about another issue.  The question is what can the photographers afford?  From that perspective, $80hr may be too much.  I understand that.

Now we are balancing the needs of the model against the needs of the photographer.  In the end though, she has to charge what she thinks she needs for her time.  She is the one dropping her drawers.

Here is how I see it:  Sometimes the buyers will have a meeting of the minds and other times not.  It is that simple.  She can ask what she wants, you can offer what you want and if you an reach an agreement, that is great.  If not, I wouldn't worry about it.  There will be someone you can work with.

But you are right.  I make money doing this so it isn't an issue.  If you can't make the money back, the fee is an issue.

Jayne Jones wrote:
To say. . .I'm uncomfortable being shot nude but will be more comfortable the more I'm paid. . .is like he says remnicent of prostitution in my opinion.  I'm no stripper, I'm a model.  I should be hired because I have a certain look that is desired, and if I specify that I'm not comfortable with nude photography. . .I won't be chosen to take nude photos.  I feel as a model, if I'm offered a paid job. . .it's time for pay.  If I'm offered an unpaid job, it's time for print/CD.  If the job I'm paid for falls within my comfort level. . .I'll take it and work my ass off while I'm there be it clothed or not clothed.  But that compensation is not commensurate to amount of skin shown.  That cut and dry for me.

B R A V O ! ! !  And you will go further and get more work, than a lot of others, by taking that attitude and approach.

Studio36

Sogno Dolce wrote:
I actually just did a partial nude shoot this past weekend.  one of the images made it to the showcase gallery on onemodelplace.  check it out here - www.onemodelplace.com/photomatt2000

I'm really proud of it

ill be posting the pics from that shoot onto my profile tomorrow.

You should be proud, those're great images.  A few shots like that posted would address a lot of the concerns I mentioned & fetch you better rates  :-)

Tony Lawrence wrote:

Ha, ha I just read it.  Great minds think alike.

Or SMRITSG, as I always say

SLE Photography wrote:
if you feel she's worth it & can make $ off the images

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
I hire a model for her look.  Experience has never been a factor for me.  Now amount of experience will overcome a look that doesn't work.

Hence the first portion of my comment  :-)

studio36uk wrote:
The whole thing about models setting a price list... like 40 bucks for this and 75 bucks for that but for 150 you get boobs and an egg roll... smacks of a negotiation for a hooker. A BJ is this much and Half-n-Half will cost you that much, but I'll do a HJ for only this much.

Models should set a price for their TIME and not the amount of skin they show and see what the market brings to their door.

Do we hear the photographers saying "I'll pay you a buck a frame for B&W... but I'll pay you a buck 20 if you let me shoot in colour?"

Yep.  I hate that too.  I don't get why a model doesn't just say "I will do x, x, and x; I won't do x, x, and x, and my rate is $x per hour."
Sasha & Tara A, 2 of the best models I've worked with thru OMP who I DID pay since their images are for a commerical project I hope to make mad profits from, both work on a "$x per hour, $x per day" and it's simple & up front.
The Chinese menu thing makes me nuts.  That's what lends the appearance of the peep-show or sleaziness to it..."The more you want to see, the more you have to pay big boy!"

studio36uk wrote:
B R A V O ! ! !  And you will go further and get more work, than a lot of others, by taking that attitude and approach.

Studio36

Thank you sweetie!!  So in ten years when I can finally afford to fly to the UK. . .you'll shoot me right??? 

LanaV wrote:
Sorry guys, but the rates I showed you are for my work. No, I am not a prosititute or do BJ's. I work with professionals

http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=210330


Lana

Did you mean professional photographers? If so, then your idea of a professional photographer differs from mine. Take your main OMP image for example.

MarkMarek wrote:

Did you mean professional photographers? If so, then your idea of a professional photographer differs from mine. Take your main OMP image for example.

Good for you ;-)

Jayne Jones wrote:
Thank you sweetie!!  So in ten years when I can finally afford to fly to the UK. . .you'll shoot me right??? 

You should know that I'm already semi-retired - so I will give you a tentative yes, as long as I am still alive and you don't mind me taking the occasional nap. LOL

Studio36

Sogno Dolce wrote:
is charging 80/hour for partial nudity (breasts exposed only) too much?

Depends on breast shape and how toned you are. No one can answer your question, since your portfolio shows no topless images.

Jayne Jones wrote:
...But that compensation is not commensurate to amount of skin shown.  That cut and dry for me.

studio36uk wrote:
B R A V O ! ! !  And you will go further and get more work, than a lot of others, by taking that attitude and approach.

Studio36

edited:

omg, she used the word "commensurate".

She gets my standing ovation with 100 mph hand claps even

Wild Horse Photography wrote:
edited:

omg, she used the word "commensurate".

She gets my standing ovation with 100 mph hand claps even

AND she gets bonus points for actually spelling it correctly.

Studio36

KM von Seidl wrote:
I think $80 is too much but maybe to make it seem like less you can charge $40/hr per boob.  Think of it as a sliding boob scale.

Frankly I am not a boobs kind of guy. Wonder what she would charge to see her buttocks... with and without the legs and feet as well?

Studio36

studio36uk wrote:
AND she gets bonus points for actually spelling it correctly.

Studio36

Jayne rocks