Tony M wrote:
In NJ $80/hour for nudity is very reasonable. What people tend to forget is if a model signs a contract where the photographer can do anything he wants with the images then he can use them for artistic things, sell them or put them on a glamour website. The thing is that in our society nude images are worth more money. There is a reason why tasteful nude glamour websites do so well, like M&B, Playboy, Pinup Glam, Xtreme photography, Finest Models, etc. People are willing to pay to see beautiful nude women. It is that simple.

I have to disagree with this.  There is a lower bar for quality in a lot of nude work because, as GWC says, we like b(o)(o)bies, so technical metir can be more readily pushed aside.  But really, a commercially viable image is rarely nude and commands much more bling than fine art, glamour or porn. It's only within the limited internet market that nudity is often worth more.

Tony M wrote:
To couch this as paying for sex or negotiating a price for sex, (whether it be between $100 or $1 million now we are just negotiating on the price), is insulting because you have an underlining presumption that posing nude is unseemly and is the equivalent to have sex with someone. IF nudes don't float your boat that is one thing, but others don't think so and the do not equate it to pornography or sex.or being immoral like the negotiation for sex argument implies. There are plenty of glamorous nudes that are not unseemly or pornographic and the photog can get a good price for them.

Nudes clearly float my boat, but if you are charging per body part, you've already objectified yourself far beyond the capabilities of many pimps. Consider what is being done with the photographs more than what is being done in them.

SLE Photography wrote:


Did you just call Theda OLD?

I am old.  I've been doing this for 8 years now.

Sogno Dolce wrote:
well if somebody wants to see my tits, then they can pay to see them.  I don't charge for regular fashion or lingerie shoots. but if someone asked me to pose topless then I sure as hell aren't doing it for free!

I agree,  I'm not sure of the Georgia rate, that could be a shade high for that neck of the woods, but it's not unreasonable.

So when so do ya want to come to NY to shoot?

Paul

amanda Irish wrote:
that is a good rate for only boobs.  for nude in general is 125 and up a hour

Oh man, this is just getting more and more entertaining...

theda wrote:
I am old.  I've been doing this for 8 years now.

I'd just never say that to a lady, I find it shocking  ;-)
And you certainly don't LOOK it

amanda Irish wrote:
its true

Maybe in your mind it is. I can get, and have gotten, nude art models [mostly college/university age] to sit for photos for 30 bucks an hour [150 a DAY]. On the other hand I can get experienced models that do "adult" work, young and more or less as average as any internet wannabe, to sit for as little as $200 a DAY and even actually have sex on camera for a bit more [solo = ca $350 a DAY]

So unless you, or any other internet wannabe "mod...doo," are somehow worth 5 times that much... which I doubt... forget it.

Studio36

ward wrote:
Here in Canada, rates range from $50/hr to $150/hr...

Of course, I choose the $50/hr model cause she's more realistic, and she's a good nude/artistic nude model.

I don't pay for implied nudes.

ward you can shoot my boobies $25 an hour see look my rate is better

Iona Lynn wrote:
I soo don't get the whole topless vs bottomless rates thing or even bikini vs lingerie, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and be happy about it.

Who doesn't love Iona???  Hmmm????  Here's your blanket darlin.

Jeff Marsh wrote:
Nude/Art models from local schools are available for $20-$30/hour. Most are young and physically fit and totally into artistic posing (Nothing erotic!) and holding the pose.

Exactly... so why pay $80 an hour... or a C note... or even more?

Badda..bang!

Studio36

studio36uk wrote:
Exactly... so why pay $80 an hour... or a C note... or even more?

Becasue it costs money to make money!  Duh!!  *rolls eyes*  Ain'tcha been lisnern??  *spits tabackey into spitoon*

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Hmmm this is still going on.

I know right????  When will it end?????

Jayne Jones wrote:

I know right????  When will it end?????

Never.  As soon as this thread dies, 7 more like it will turn up.
It's like a Hydra of the same endless arguments.

studio36uk wrote:

Exactly... so why pay $80 an hour... or a C note... or even more?

Badda..bang!

Studio36

What kind of model release do you get? Just portofolio use or do you own all the rights to the pics? That is why you pay more for models outside of schools.

studio36uk wrote:

Exactly... so why pay $80 an hour... or a C note... or even more?

Badda..bang!

Studio36

I just looked at what type of photography you do. It photo journalism and regular commercial photography, not Glamour photography. So, that explains why you are not educated in that market. This is not meant as a slight on you. Just an observation. I am talking about it as somebody with experience in the glamour market. Those are two very different perspectives.

Sogno Dolce wrote:

well if somebody wants to see my tits, then they can pay to see them.  I don't charge for regular fashion or lingerie shoots. but if someone asked me to pose topless then I sure as hell aren't doing it for free!

Interesting.

If you are shooting a "TF" with an established photographer, full/implied nudes may be what THEY are looking for. If YOU are looking for lingerie, and will shoot some topless for him/her to get the things you need for your portfolio, then you have both achieved your goals.

You get the pics you want, they get the pics they want.

I don't know if I would pay a model that much an hour for breasts, unless they have the ones I've been looking for.

Tony M wrote:
What kind of model release do you get? Just portofolio use or do you own all the rights to the pics? That is why you pay more for models outside of schools.

I deal ONLY in all rights documents Tony, though license back [to the model] is also common in my shop the fundamental release [to me] is always all rights.

Studio36

Jayne Jones wrote:
I know right????  When will it end?????

When they get her to drop her rate to $79.95 an hour.

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:

When they get her to drop her rate to $79.95 an hour.

Attention....K-Mart shoppers.....................   LOL

The real answer to the goofball pricing can be summed up in two words:

S T R E E T   C A S T I N G

Studio36

Rx wrote:
$80 is way too cheap for implied nude or more so full nudes.

How do you figure that? Many people can get full nude models for $20-40. So how is $80 for a pair of boobs too cheap?

amanda Irish wrote:
that is a good rate for only boobs.  for nude in general is 125 and up a hour

General who? As was said before, one can find full nude models for $20-40 per hour.

Vito wrote:
General who? As was said before, one can find full nude models for $20-40 per hour.

Isn't that the point and aren't we beating this to death.  We all agree, some models charge $20-$40hr for topless are nudes, others charge $80hr.

The OP's original question was not whether people would pay her $80hr but whether it was a reasonable rate to ask.  Of course it was reasonable.  It was certainly not out of the range that others charge.

Your point is that you wouldn't be willing to pay it.  I am sure that other's don't want to pay the rate.  Then don't book her.  Others probably will and the market will decide what she finally gets.

We spend too much time on these topics.

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
We spend too much time on these topics.

Well we all obviously have a lot of free time 

I've been home sick for most of a week, what's everyone else's excuse???

Iona Lynn wrote:
umm... I'm in between shoots and my laundry is done what else do I have to do today?
**cuddles with the blanky given to her by Jayne**

Awww!  LOL
There's a fun idea, Iona as Linus...


Nahhhhh!

Pat Thielen wrote:
It would depend on if a client would want to pay that. Personally, I wouldn't because I can't afford rates like that and I can find many models willing to do nudes for TFP or for quite a bit less.

  -P-

quite a bit less than tfp?  wow!

studio36uk wrote:

Exactly... so why pay $80 an hour... or a C note... or even more?

Badda..bang!

Studio36

Note only that, but in my experience nude/art models who work at schools, posing for 40 sets of eyes per class, many classes a week, don't throw the diva attitude some "I've been told I'm pretty my WHOLE life" models do.   Art models are used to working with people pursuing art and come at their craft from a whole different (and I might add refreshing) perspective.

SLE Photography wrote:
I've been home sick for most of a week, what's everyone else's excuse???

I had to shoot 1,800 images of a model plus two hours of video from noon on Monday until noon on Tuesday.  I am burned out so I had to come play with my friends before I start buring disks.