Posted by Reese: 
NOTICE:

Ahem, please, some individuals have been nothing but negative since joining this site.

I resent that,Reese!

Oh wait, did you mean somone else?

Remember: everything you read on the interent is true and supports whatever harebrained nonsence you desire to spew at any given time. Amen.

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
ANYONE can do porn

I don't know about that, but Ron Jeremy does give hope to all the overweight hairy guys in the world.  Go Ron!

Sadly though, he is blessed in one area which many of us are not.

Posted by LarryB: 

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
ANYONE can do porn

I don't know about that, but Ron Jeremy does give hope to all the overweight hairy guys in the world.  Go Ron!

Sadly though, he is blessed in one area which many of us are not.

Ron Jeremy is Hot! I'd let my dog hump his leg anyday...

Posted by AndrewG: 
I so want to post on this thread.. but heck, I only worked in the adult industry back in the 70's and 80's... so I guess I dont know the score anymore..

Think back to Kay Parker, Rhonda Jo Petty, Mai Lin, and a few others I wont mention...

Oh gee... then I have to know... what's the deal with the pimp music they always choose for background sound tracks?

Just post 'til your heart is content...  ModelMayhem loves people posting...

The more posting the better...

Posted by Reese: 

Posted by AndrewG: 
I so want to post on this thread.. but heck, I only worked in the adult industry back in the 70's and 80's... so I guess I dont know the score anymore..

Think back to Kay Parker, Rhonda Jo Petty, Mai Lin, and a few others I wont mention...

Oh gee... then I have to know... what's the deal with the pimp music they always choose for background sound tracks?

Just post 'til your heart is content...  ModelMayhem loves people posting...

The more posting the better...

Reese... LOL... I am rolling on the floor with that one... I asked the same thing way back when... LOL

And to tell the truth.. I have no idea... I didnt pick the "music".. and I didn't edit the sound track either..

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
It is a short cut to fame and it does exploit women.

they do it because they want to -- they dont care about to social stigma associated with porn.

they don't give no fucks. it's a good thing. and they're making money. lots of it.

Posted by DJ Foothill: 

Posted by Alexandra Paris:
There are better ways to up your self esteem like getting an education and not spreading your legs. What message does that send to young girls out there who are teased a lot for their looks?

You mean like MODELING? That if you're not the perfect type you get nothing. When in adult there is work for every type? And did you have any idea that MANY of the women in the adult industry have degrees and advanced degrees? Tera Patrick has a degree in bio-chemical engineering. I asked her once WTF is she doing porn. her answer, she loves to fuck and makes more money doing adult.

Asia Carrera has a degree in literature. When asked her answer was. I make more money doing porn. It's a choice. And it's a hell of a lot more honest than a model sitting there in a thong covering her tits with her legs spread. WTF is that selling?

I know a couple of women in the industry who have their Law Degree.

its surprising to me how many actually have a higher education, and on top of that graduate degrees.

you forgot Shy Love in your list of well-educated adult actreses

Hey it takes a lot of talent to do a double anal. And to suck more than one guy off at a time while a rabid midget is down under.... LOL

- OMG

Posted by Reese: 

Posted by AndrewG: 
I so want to post on this thread.. but heck, I only worked in the adult industry back in the 70's and 80's... so I guess I dont know the score anymore..

Oh gee... then I have to know... what's the deal with the pimp music they always choose for background sound tracks?

According to a discussion we were having on another board, the reason for this is that the music is *cheap.* It's the musical equivalent of bad stock photography. Also, anybody who has *good* music to license doesn't want it in a porn video, because it is then essentially unsalable to any other client.

M

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 

Posted by theda: 
Well, It takes a hell of a lot of talent to make it look GOOD. Not anyone can do that., including a lot of those wo do it as a profession.

Personally I think it's just a short cut to fame. It's no secret that they throw you away when you're about 25 and you are no longer the next hot thing. It's a very disposable industry.

And modeling isn't a disposable industry? See if you can get any fasion jobs when your 30.

If you model you are using your body to make money, so don't be so full of yourself and act like you are better than everyone else.

Posted by StMarc: 

Posted by Reese: 

Posted by AndrewG: 
I so want to post on this thread.. but heck, I only worked in the adult industry back in the 70's and 80's... so I guess I dont know the score anymore..

Oh gee... then I have to know... what's the deal with the pimp music they always choose for background sound tracks?

According to a discussion we were having on another board, the reason for this is that the music is *cheap.* It's the musical equivalent of bad stock photography. Also, anybody who has *good* music to license doesn't want it in a porn video, because it is then essentially unsalable to any other client.

M

Well heck then... they should get some music from small local bands...   Those local bands would love to sell some of their music to anyone who will buy (not all of them - but the really hungry ones will) the local bands know how to jam too... 

Posted by veester: 
LOL at this thread...hilarious! With reagrds to the comments about music, I agree with the previous comments.

Me and my boyfriend were talking about the music of one particular porn film while *ahem* "reviewing" it! LOL It stood out because the music was actually pretty good which is a damn far cry frm many of these you see. With the cheesy "Ahh-chica-oww" type beats! lol I do think many songwriters don't want their music associated with porn and that's why so much of it is bad. very bad.

We should petition to have a rating system on all porn videos music soundtracks... 1 to 5 stars for the system... 1 being total crap ("you probably won't be able to get in the mood unless you are deaf it's so bad") & 5 being tolerable ("let's take it off and get naughty - we can ignore the cheesey background tunes...")

Posted by Aaron_H: 
well, not to digress, if it's possible to digress in this outstanding thread.... but while it's technically possible to consider Midnight Cowboy "porn" depending on how strictly you go by dictionary definitions and which definitions you go by... by any sane, rational, normal everyday laymen's (pun cannot be helped) understanding of what porn is, calling Midnight Cowboy "porn" would have to be one of the stupidest utterances in the history of human communication!

Has no one here actually watched the movie? Is no one willing to stand up and say, uh, excuse me, did you just say that Dustin Hoffman, John Voight and John Schlesinger made a porno? Did you just say that one of the greatest movies ever made was porn? Did you just say that a movie with barely any nudity and no graphic fucking was porn? Did you just assume that because it originally had an X rating (re-rated a couple of years later as "R") that makes it porn? Did you do that at the same time you were talking about someone else’s ignorance about porn, or in talking about something you don't know anything about?

Word up...  Dustin Hoffman in porn?  I'll go rent the video tonight... but wait... what would you rate the soundtrack on a 1 to 5 scale?

Posted by Reese:
Oh gee... then I have to know... what's the deal with the pimp music they always choose for background sound tracks?

You're actually listening to the music? Well of course you did. It's the first and ONLY porno you ever saw huh Reese and you needed to get the FULL experience. LOL
Actually we have some pretty good R&B / Hip-Hop / Techno music in our videos.

Posted by veester: 
Me and my boyfriend were talking about the music of one particular porn film while *ahem* "reviewing" it!

See PORN... bringing families together. Reviewing it eh??? Were you takin notes during your *Ahem* Review.

Posted by Leila: 
If you model you are using your body to make money, so don't be so full of yourself and act like you are better than everyone else.

Ouch! As I've been saying porn people are just honest about what they're selling. And actually Nude modeling *PORN* Has been around a lot longer than any other avenue of modeling. So I think we should erect temples and honor the porn. And it should be a requirement of ALL hot models to have done porn. *With me no less* LOL Well at least Reese and Theda should.... Being all moderators they should set the example. (Wonders if it's workin)

Posted by sibyl: 
the statue of davide was covered up because conservatives freaked out about a penis and children seeing it..and it is a wonderful peice of art.

Yeah imagine that. Little Johnny and Susie seeing a flaccid STONE penis on a statue... Oh the Horror. But let em go home and watch SPAWN.

Posted by sibyl:
OH..as for a job where a woman makes more than a man right off the bat? fashion model. the females models make double if not triple what a male model would pull in.

AH.

Posted by sibyl: 
but I do have to agree with DJ..(oh dear, has hell frozen over ) these women are not forced into it...

If it makes you feel any better you are agreeing with the FACTS that were presented and not me. =o)

Posted by Reese: 
I want hard rock in my porn...  Techno would be as bad as the 1970's pimp jams, and R & B is for making love...  If I am watching a porn, I want wild sex, not making love...  Though, ahem, I don't watch that sort of stuff.

Oh but of course not I wouldnt think you would, *Digs through Reese's porn stash. *Splendor in the ass 113 mind you.... Hmmmmmm * .... LMAO

LOL However, have you ever seen people dance to hard rock? Especially the MEN. There is a saying that people f**k the way they dance. As in their ability to move. The only headbangin I wanna see is the headboard banging against the wall, or maybe her forehead bangin.. well never mind.... LOL

And actually we do both. Sometimes theres the wild gudge fuck, and sometimes there is just something in the moment between the two people. I simply tell them what I would like to capture and let them go at it.

Posted by Reese: 
I am curious - I don't know much about the porn industry...  but I noticed on other websites (just one) it is listed as "Adult Entertainment," and many refer to the stars or performers if one will, as "models..."  Are Porn Stars / Actresses models per say?  I am sure that they do / can model - but are they "models?" I don't know... I have never dealt with that part of the industry (is it part of the industry?)

Then I am curious, when they are "acting"  are they really acting?  Because I don't see how they are "acting" like they are having sex. They are indeed having sex...  I know, it's a dumb as heck question -but I am just curious.

I am in no way casting judgement on anyone in the industry - but I am curious as to how exactly one categorizes those who partake in that particular field.

Porn stars are just glamour models turned bad.

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 
Porn stars are just glamour models turned bad.

No no they skipped the entire glamour thing. LOL Well some of them anyways. There is a site by that name BTW. Glamourmodelsgonebad.com LOL

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
When a porn can make me cry and make me feel all fuzzy inside that is when I can actually consider it entertainment, until then, it's just going to be people doing the nasty on film.

Well, if you like comedy, I hear some of them are so hilarious they'll have you laughing until you cry.

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 
Well, if you like comedy, I hear some of them are so hilarious they'll have you laughing until you cry.

You mean like the Anal scene where the guy is going to work on the girl and talking all his whose your daddy and whose ass is this and she looks back at him and says. "Are you in yet?" I don't think there was any one person on the set that didn't bust into hysterics. And it's on the video no less.

Posted by DJ Foothill: 

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 
Well, if you like comedy, I hear some of them are so hilarious they'll have you laughing until you cry.

You mean like the Anal scene where the guy is going to work on the girl and talking all his whose your daddy and whose ass is this and she looks back at him and says. "Are you in yet?" I don't think there was any one person on the set that didn't bust into hysterics. And it's on the video no less.

hahahahahahahahahahah

Posted by Cicada: 

Posted by DJ Foothill: 

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 
Well, if you like comedy, I hear some of them are so hilarious they'll have you laughing until you cry.

You mean like the Anal scene where the guy is going to work on the girl and talking all his whose your daddy and whose ass is this and she looks back at him and says. "Are you in yet?" I don't think there was any one person on the set that didn't bust into hysterics. And it's on the video no less.

hahahahahahahahahahah

Lol. Must be.

Posted by Aaron_H: 
well, not to digress, if it's possible to digress in this outstanding thread.... but while it's technically possible to consider Midnight Cowboy "porn" depending on how strictly you go by dictionary definitions and which definitions you go by... by any sane, rational, normal everyday laymen's (pun cannot be helped) understanding of what porn is, calling Midnight Cowboy "porn" would have to be one of the stupidest utterances in the history of human communication!

Has no one here actually watched the movie? Is no one willing to stand up and say, uh, excuse me, did you just say that Dustin Hoffman, John Voight and John Schlesinger made a porno? Did you just say that one of the greatest movies ever made was porn? Did you just say that a movie with barely any nudity and no graphic fucking was porn? Did you just assume that because it originally had an X rating (re-rated a couple of years later as "R") that makes it porn? Did you do that at the same time you were talking about someone else’s ignorance about porn, or in talking about something you don't know anything about?

Posted by Alexandra Paris: 
...like I said ANYONE can do porn, it does not require talent, just a lack of self respect.

while i'm not going to put myself in the crossfire of the pissing contest going on between ms. paris and dj, i will comment on the "anyone can do porn" statement.

never in the history of the XXX industry has there been such an abundance of ready, willing, and able young sex performers. there are way more young women seeking porn employment than there are porn scenes being shot.  just like in other related fields, e.g., modeling, acting, the competition for the jobs and the money has become fierce. the days of a barely attractive chick basically showing up with an apathetic willingness to spread her legs are over and have been over for some time.  these days, it's all about the youngest, the prettiest, and the most sexually voracious. i've seen girls come into the adult biz who were marginally attractive (if that) and lackluster performers work maybe once or twice and it's over for them... in fact, make that "once," cuz some of these wannabees don't even get a chance at "twice." and the "once" opportunity they got was probly for a very low-end, low-paying gig.

Posted by theda: 
I was wondering who'd finally bring that up.

Gold star!

I'd say the Piano was more graphic, but that's probably because I was shown bits of Harvey Keitel I had hoped never to see.

Posted by Aaron_H: 
well, not to digress, if it's possible to digress in this outstanding thread.... but while it's technically possible to consider Midnight Cowboy "porn" depending on how strictly you go by dictionary definitions and which definitions you go by... by any sane, rational, normal everyday laymen's (pun cannot be helped) understanding of what porn is, calling Midnight Cowboy "porn" would have to be one of the stupidest utterances in the history of human communication!

Has no one here actually watched the movie? Is no one willing to stand up and say, uh, excuse me, did you just say that Dustin Hoffman, John Voight and John Schlesinger made a porno? Did you just say that one of the greatest movies ever made was porn? Did you just say that a movie with barely any nudity and no graphic fucking was porn? Did you just assume that because it originally had an X rating (re-rated a couple of years later as "R") that makes it porn? Did you do that at the same time you were talking about someone else’s ignorance about porn, or in talking about something you don't know anything about?

The Piano was definitely more graphic from what I remember, but still not really graphic and also about as far from porn as can be. But Harvey's always showing those bits! Taxi Driver, Holy Smoke, and I think some others I can't recall. He masturbated in front of the teenage girl in lieu of giving her a ticket in Bad Lieutenant, but I don't think he actually showed anything.

So anyway, why did you use that example if you knew it wasn't true and why tell her she's wrong when you know she's right? You can dislike her all you want and disagree with a lot of her views, but it's just silly to argue with the obvious truth. I mean you know what she means when she's talking about "talent" and quality. One of the general questions in the topic was whether porn stars are actors or models, well it should go without saying in a strictly technical sense. Of course they are.

But when she's talking about "talent" there's not a single person here who doesn't understand she means acting talent! Not fucking talent, not a talent for keeping it up or a talent for squirting on the ceiling, deep throating (how timely!) or taking two cocks up the Hershey highway at the same time! Those things are skills or abilities, and it may or may not be easy to do in a crowd or for the camera, let alone at all,  but they have fuck all, so to speak, to do with acting talent and anyone who doesn't understand that is a total imbecile! And I don't think you or DJ are imbeciles, so what exactly are your motives?

Even back in the day when they at least made a pretense of trying to have a semblance of a story and use some limited sort of acting, porn was at best amusing in a corny, campy way. The dreamy and lovable Annette Haven and Desiree Cousteau could actually act a little bit as I remember, but no serious person would mistake any of those old porno's with real film art or great acting, gimmie a break! As far as I could tell things only got worse from there and degenerated into pretty much nothing more than non-stop fucking & sucking without wasting the time on the lame attempts at redeeming content which made some of the early "classics" so lovable. Has it really changed for the better since those days or are you guys just being ridiculous?

Posted by DJ Foothill: 

Posted by Reese: 
I want hard rock in my porn...  Techno would be as bad as the 1970's pimp jams, and R & B is for making love...  If I am watching a porn, I want wild sex, not making love...  Though, ahem, I don't watch that sort of stuff.

Oh but of course not I wouldnt think you would, *Digs through Reese's porn stash. *Splendor in the ass 113 mind you.... Hmmmmmm * .... LMAO

LOL However, have you ever seen people dance to hard rock? Especially the MEN. There is a saying that people f**k the way they dance. As in their ability to move. The only headbangin I wanna see is the headboard banging against the wall, or maybe her forehead bangin.. well never mind.... LOL

And actually we do both. Sometimes theres the wild gudge fuck, and sometimes there is just something in the moment between the two people. I simply tell them what I would like to capture and let them go at it.

Don't borrow the "Amazing Asians Part III" I need it for later.

Posted by Aaron_H: 
The Piano was definitely more graphic from what I remember, but still not really graphic and also about as far from porn as can be. But Harvey's always showing those bits! Taxi Driver, Holy Smoke, and I think some others I can't recall. He masturbated in front of the teenage girl in lieu of giving her a ticket in Bad Lieutenant, but I don't think he actually showed anything.

So anyway, why did you use that example if you knew it wasn't true and why tell her she's wrong when you know she's right? You can dislike her all you want and disagree with a lot of her views, but it's just silly to argue with the obvious truth. I mean you know what she means when she's talking about "talent" and quality. One of the general questions in the topic was whether porn stars are actors or models, well it should go without saying in a strictly technical sense. Of course they are.

But when she's talking about "talent" there's not a single person here who doesn't understand she means acting talent! Not fucking talent, not a talent for keeping it up or a talent for squirting on the ceiling, deep throating (how timely!) or taking two cocks up the Hershey highway at the same time! Those things are skills or abilities, and it may or may not be easy to do in a crowd or for the camera, let alone at all,  but they have fuck all, so to speak, to do with acting talent and anyone who doesn't understand that is a total imbecile! And I don't think you or DJ are imbeciles, so what exactly are your motives?

Even back in the day when they at least made a pretense of trying to have a semblance of a story and use some limited sort of acting, porn was at best amusing in a corny, campy way. The dreamy and lovable Annette Haven and Desiree Cousteau could actually act a little bit as I remember, but no serious person would mistake any of those old porno's with real film art or great acting, gimmie a break! As far as I could tell things only got worse from there and degenerated into pretty much nothing more than non-stop fucking & sucking without wasting the time on the lame attempts at redeeming content which made some of the early "classics" so lovable. Has it really changed for the better since those days or are you guys just being ridiculous?

Posted by theda: 
Caligula is another example of of a largely pornographic film that a number of people consider well-made on multiple levels. 

Just so you know - and you probably do, so just so everybody else knows - a lot of the really graphic parts of "Caligula" were filmed at night, with a different production crew and while most of the name actors were not on set. This was because while everybody knew it was going to be a big decadent Roman Empire movie, not everybody knew it was going to be, to be vulgar, a fuck flick, and Guccioni didn't *want* them to know, because they might have backed out. Gore Vidal, who did the original screenplay and was involved in the filming of the "real movie" parts, was absolutely furious when he found out. IIRC the movie was going to be distributed with his name prominent, like "Gore Vidal's Caligula" or something like that, but he demanded his name be removed.

I may be misremembering some of this - it's on the director's cut DVD featurettes and it's been a while since I watched them - but the broad gist of it is correct.

Some other movies that come to mind readily are "9 1/2 Weeks," "Angel Heart," and "Blue Orchid," (oh, that mischevious Mickey!) "Wild Things," "A Clockwork Orange," and "Henry and June."

I could probably think of more but I'm too lazy.

M