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Cicada
Posts: 128
Indian Wells, California, US
Posted by DJ Foothill:
Posted by Cicada:
Posted by DJ Foothill:
hit the cieling? Even I was impressed.
christ.
I think her site is http://club-cytheria.com if not just google her name and I am sure you'll find plenty.
Or go to http://www.askjolene.com and search her name. i've seen/have a lot of her stuff; i was just surprised. 
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Mistress Purgatori
Posts: 686
Washington, District of Columbia, US
not really dj,because remember she hasn't always been w/ them.Jenna is Jenna not only because of her looks,obvious "skills"&"attrubutes"but because she took control of her career and she is a driven woman.she always has been.most porn stars are made by whoever they work for and they could just disappear tomorrow and it's onto the next girl but not Jenna.I'd love to see who will become the next queen of the adult industry.pretty big shoes to fill.and Jenna makes smart business descions as who to distrubute her films etc... because remember Jenna has stated over&over once she decides to have a family she will say goodbye to the adult industry.she will never make another adult movie again.but she has plenty of money so even if she quit tomorrow she'd be set for life. that will be a sad day BUT then again Jenna is a respectful person so what would one expect from her??? xxx MP Posted by DJ Foothill:
Miss P... Jenna is Jenna because of that marketing machine called VIVID! But she is one smart cookie. She and Tera Patrick who actually has a degree in Bio-Chemical Engineering. Imagine that.
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Mistress Purgatori
Posts: 686
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Posted by Patrick Walberg:
Posted by Mistress Purgatori:
the majority of them defintley are "models".the majority of them don't just do porn movies but box covers,magazines etc..
perfect example is JENNA JAMESON.she started off as a stripper,then got into ADULT modeling AND THEN WENT INTO PORN.but she kept modeling and stripping.
that woman knows how to earn her money,and now look she has a fucking empire.
xxx
MP
"... she has a fucking empire." There is a double meaning to that!  lol
haha true true patrick but I didn't mean it like that but ha yes she does have a "fucking empire".
damn I love that woman haha.
xxx
MP
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
I'm not going to judge anyone who does porn but it really takes no talent to be having sex in front of a camera. Anyone can do that.
Well, It takes a hell of a lot of talent to make it look GOOD. Not anyone can do that., including a lot of those wo do it as a profession.
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Posted by DJ Foothill:
Really? Sounded pretty judgemental to me. And you really think that just anyone can do it? And this is from your extensive knowledge of the industry how?
Porn isn't usually designed to make you cry or feel or warm and fuzzy inside. Though I have seen some that has made me cry because it was soooo bad.
But then there is the work of Andrew Blake, Michael Ninn, Wes Craven that is extremely artisic and hardcore as well.
Okay when was a porn ever nominated for an Oscar? And BTW Wes Craven is a horror director.
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Okay when was a porn ever nominated for an Oscar? 1968. Midnight Cowboy. Not only was it nominated, it won.
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Posted by theda:
Well, It takes a hell of a lot of talent to make it look GOOD. Not anyone can do that., including a lot of those wo do it as a profession.
Personally I think it's just a short cut to fame. It's no secret that they throw you away when you're about 25 and you are no longer the next hot thing. It's a very disposable industry.
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Posted by theda:
1968. Midnight Cowboy. Not only was it nominated, it won. That's because it had REAL actors and it didn't deal 100% with sex. Of course due to the subject matter at the time the MPAA had to slap an X rating on it.
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Personally I think it's just a short cut to fame. It's no secrtet that they throw you away when you're about 25 and you are no longer the next hot thing. It's a very disposable industry.
Which differs from the fashion modeling industry how??? I mean, other than it pays better, of course.
For that matter, what corner of the entertainment industry doesn't throw out the old ones whent he next hot thing comes along? It's fickle. That's part of this crazy business we call show.
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Posted by theda:
1968. Midnight Cowboy. Not only was it nominated, it won. That's because it had REAL actors and it didn't deal 100% with sex. Of course due to the subject matter at the time the MPAA had to slap an X rating on it. Let's not get back on the REAL actor/REAL models/REAL phographers crap.
Alexandra, I really don't think you know much about the variety of pornography out there at all, do you?
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Posted by theda:
Which differs from the fashion modeling industry how??? I mean, other than it pays better, of course.
For that matter, what corner of the entertainment industry doesn't throw out the old ones whent he next hot thing comes along? It's fickle. That's part of this crazy business we call show. The difference is you actually have to have sex with people you may not be attracted too and your risk for STDs is quite high, especially since most of the time there is no protection involved.
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Posted by theda:
Let's not get back on the REAL actor/REAL models/REAL phographers crap.
Alexandra, I really don't think you know much about the variety of pornography out there at all, do you? And to be honest I really don't care to. It's not my bag.
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
The difference is you actually have to have sex with people you may not be attracted too and your risk for STDs is quite high, especially since most of the time there is no protection involved. I think that proves my point about your ignorance of the porn industry. I haven't seen much (if ANY) pornography made in the past 15 years in which condoms are not worn. Also, performers are routinely tested, much more often thatr your avrage Joe. There are health care unions for adult workers that deal with these issues. DJFotthill can tell you in more detial, I'm sure. With diagrams!
But regardless, that doesn't make you any more or less disposable than in any other segment of the entertainment insutry
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Posted by theda:
Let's not get back on the REAL actor/REAL models/REAL phographers crap.
Alexandra, I really don't think you know much about the variety of pornography out there at all, do you? And to be honest I really don't care to. It's not my bag.
Then perhaps you should refrain from talking about it as if you have some knowledge on the subject?
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- null -
Posts: 4576
Posted by theda:
Alexandra, I really don't think you know much about the variety of pornography out there at all, do you? Oh! Oh! Shall we model together to illustrate for her?
};-)
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes:
Posted by theda:
Alexandra, I really don't think you know much about the variety of pornography out there at all, do you? Oh! Oh! Shall we model together to illustrate for her?
};-)
I'm sorry, Eric, but you're not a real model/photographer/boy/neurosurgon because you're sleazy.
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Posted by theda:
Then perhaps you should refrain from talking about it as if you have some knowledge on the subject? The last time I checked it was a free country. And I have the right to my opinion. So who are you to censor me? I know that you are the moderator and the power has gone to your head a little bit, but everyone has the right to an opinion good or bad. And that is how I feel about it. Take it or leave it.
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- null -
Posts: 4576
Posted by theda:
Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes:
Posted by theda:
Alexandra, I really don't think you know much about the variety of pornography out there at all, do you? Oh! Oh! Shall we model together to illustrate for her?
};-)
I'm sorry, Eric, but you're not a real model/photographer/boy/neurosurgon because you're sleazy. Sheesh. Just like Socrates, I am persecuted out of my simple desire to educate.
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Let's rock the cirulcular logic! If you have the right to babble on about a subject of which you have no knowledge, I have the right to call you on it. As moderator, I could make you shut up because the power has sooooo gone to my head. Oh! The power! The Power! I rule the world!!! But note: you haven't been censored or censured. I'm no good at this power trip thing after all, huh? Posted by Alexandra Paris:
The last time I checked it was a free country. And I have the right to my opinion. So who are you to censor me? I know that you are the moderator and the power has gone to your head a little bit, but everyone has the right to an opinion good or bad. And that is how I feel about it. Take it or leave it.
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Posted by theda:
Let's rock the cirulcular logic! If you have the right to babble on about a subject of which you have no knowledge, I have the right to call you on it.
As moderator, I could make you shut up becuase the power has sooo gone to my head. Oh! The power! The Power! I rule the world!!!
But note: you haven't been censored or censured. I'm no good at this power trip thing after all, huh?
Well if I read correctly the thread was opinons on porn, not knowledge on porn. So I was sharing an opinion ... nothing more, but then again opinions other than your own don't count here right?
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Well if I read correctly the thread was opinons on porn, not knowledge on porn. So I was sharing an opinion ... nothing more, but then again opinions other than your own don't count here right? When you inject "factual" statements that are incorrect, you should expect someone to correct you.
"I don't like porn." = opinion
"Porn has never been nominated for an Oscar" = falsehood
"Porn has never moved me" = opinion
"Protection isn't worn in the porn industry" = falsehood
"Theda is my lord and master and I'm just jealous of her wit, charm and beauty" = well reasoned and insightful opinion
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Cicada
Posts: 128
Indian Wells, California, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Posted by theda:
Which differs from the fashion modeling industry how??? I mean, other than it pays better, of course.
For that matter, what corner of the entertainment industry doesn't throw out the old ones whent he next hot thing comes along? It's fickle. That's part of this crazy business we call show. The difference is you actually have to have sex with people you may not be attracted too and your risk for STDs is quite high, especially since most of the time there is no protection involved. you DO know they get tested religiously and that being in porn is probably safer than casual sex, right?
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Posted by theda:
When you inject "factual" statements that are incorrect, you should expect someone to correct you.
"I don't like porn." = opinion
"Porn has never been nominated for an Oscar" = falsehood
"Porn has never moved me" = opinion
"Protection isn't worn in the porn industry" = falsehood
"Theda is my lord and master and I'm just jealous of her wit, charm and beauty" = well reasoned and insightful opinion *Rolls eyes*
Then why is it that everytime I have seen a porno they never wear condoms? And no you're not my lord and master. Sorry.
If a person wants to do porn that is their choice. Just don't glamourize it.
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Cicada
Posts: 128
Indian Wells, California, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Then why is it that everytime I have seen a porno they never wear condoms? And no you're not my lord and master. Sorry. because, chances are very good that everyone involved has been tested.
hell, i think i've heard that it can be as often as weekly for the more active actors/actresses..
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Then why is it that everytime I have seen a porno they never wear condoms? And no you're not my lord and master. Sorry.
If a person wants to do porn that is their choice. Just don't glamourize it. Didn't we just establish that you haven't seen much porn and are therefore not in a great position to speak from personal knowledge?
Many of the films are edited to minimize the fact that condoms are being worn. I've never seen a porn film that shows the condom being put on, but that doesn;t mean those aren't out there. I have not yet acheived my goal of being supreme high porn overlord, but this is a start.
This isn't glamourization. It's just fact.
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Then why does the media glamourize it?
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Hugh Jorgen
Posts: 2850
Ashland, Oregon, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Then why does the media glamourize it? Does any body know how big the porn industry is?
Money!!
The same reason 95% of the members are here for!
In your life time it will become completly mainstream,just like it is in other countries..
They dont waste thier time on it..
When i was a kid tv stations said they would Never show a girl in underwear on tv..
Wow!!
You should flip thru my channels some day
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DJTalStudios
Posts: 602
Seattle, Washington, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Okay when was a porn ever nominated for an Oscar? And BTW Wes Craven is a horror director. When were a lot of REALLY good movies that should have been nominated for an Oscar nominated?
Ummmmm Wes Craven got his start directing Adult features.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:and your risk for STDs is quite high, especially since most of the time there is no protection involved. Alexandra, first off as Cicada said, in the industry there are HIGHER standards of STD testing than any that you civillians get. It is MUCH safer to have unprotected sex with someone in the industry than it is with your own Significant other. When was the last time YOU were tested for STD's. Those in the industry test at the LEAST Monthly.
Secondly when we test we use the PCR/DNA test which is vastly superior to the Elisa method that doctors use. In fact OUR method of testing is RAPIDLY being adopted by mainstream medical facilities. Why? Because it's BETTER! And THAT is a fact.
And this is why there are many movies where condoms are not worn. Because we do test regularly. Typically if a condom is being used and it breaks we don't have to freak out wondering.... Condoms are more a preference of the participants than anything else.
And why shouldn't it be glamourized? Because you don't agree with it? It is a VALID and VIABLE BUSINESS like any other. Here's ANOTHER FACT for you. AT&T cable publishes two sets of financial reports ANNUALLY. One for the general stockholders and public, and one you have to request special. There are two reasons for this.
1. They're hypocrits
2. AT&T cable makes more money from pay per view adult entertainment than they do from ANYTHING else. The adult entertainment division SAVED the company from complete bankruptcy. Why shouldn't THAT be glamourized. It's a MULTI-BILLION dollar industry.
Companies like Yahoo are who they are today because of the adult industry. Yet they cave into weak minded intolerant individuals and try and cover up where they came from.
Did you know that the clothing company SKIN INDUSTRIES got it's START in the adult industry? And that the guy who owns it used to work in the adult industry? You'd be VERY surprised to know the background of a lot of people in Hollywood today who owe their start to the adult industry. Traci Lords... Sylvester Stallone......
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Personally I think it's just a short cut to fame. It's no secret that they throw you away when you're about 25 and you are no longer the next hot thing. It's a very disposable industry.
How about I give you Jenna's number and then you can tell her that. Or next time I see her I'll tell her you said that all that she's done since her start in 99 was merely a SHORTCUT to Being the first adult star to be on a billboard in Times Square. That it was a shortcut to being a household name. And where is your billboard?
And how about you tell the HUNDREDS of women still active in the industry that are over 25 what the secrets are of the industry. Because Im sure that even though they are actually DOING it they would love to be educated by YOU.
Alexandra in all honesty a 29 year old woman making her way into the adult industry will probably work more and earn more than probably 98% of the models on any internet modeling site. In fact one girl Kat McKenna came into the industry worked for 6 months and left with a couple hundred thousand in her pocket. Is she famous? Nope. She's PAID!
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
The difference is you actually have to have sex with people you may not be attracted too Yeah because no Hollywood actress ever ended up on the casting couch. No model ever gave an art director a blowjob to get a job. I have had MANY mainstream Hollywood celebs tell me about the casting couch sleaze that goes on there. I've not ever heard of a casting couch with any reputable company in my 9 years of being in the adult industry.
And by the way MANY of the female performers get to pick who they want to work with. And can turn down jobs with people they don't wish to work with.
Now that you got me started... In your all so cherished and female empowering HOLLYWOOD how many female directors are there? There are at least 100 of them in Porn. How many of the 20 or so female directors in Hollywood actually own their OWN production studios? There are at least 20 that I personally know in Porn. So who is actually empowering women?
People like you who know not of what they speak really annoy those of us who actually have knowledge and experience.
Miss P, she started with Digital Playground. But Vivid actually made her career. But yes she is a VERY shrewd business woman for sure. And her new company Club Jenna is going to go off the hook!
Theda in order for you to become supreme high porn overlord you have to get passed me first.... LOL Maybe we should team up and dethrone Larry Flynt since he is the supreme high porn overlord. He owns Vivid. It don't get no bigger than that.
And since Eric is as we know sleazy... LOL Perhaps you and I should demonstrate. I will split the profits from any DVD and Website sales with you 50/50. =o)
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
Posted by DJ Foothill:
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Okay when was a porn ever nominated for an Oscar? And BTW Wes Craven is a horror director. When were a lot of REALLY good movies that should have been nominated for an Oscar nominated?
Ummmmm Wes Craven got his start directing Adult features.
Alexandra, first off as Cicada said, in the industry there are HIGHER standards of STD testing than any that you civillians get. It is MUCH safer to have unprotected sex with someone in the industry than it is with your own Significant other. When was the last time YOU were tested for STD's. Those in the industry test at the LEAST Monthly.
Secondly when we test we use the PCR/DNA test which is vastly superior to the Elisa method that doctors use. In fact OUR method of testing is RAPIDLY being adopted by mainstream medical facilities. Why? Because it's BETTER! And THAT is a fact.
And this is why there are many movies where condoms are not worn. Because we do test regularly. Typically if a condom is being used and it breaks we don't have to freak out wondering.... Condoms are more a preference of the participants than anything else.
And why shouldn't it be glamourized? Because you don't agree with it? It is a VALID and VIABLE BUSINESS like any other. Here's ANOTHER FACT for you. AT&T cable publishes two sets of financial reports ANNUALLY. One for the general stockholders and public, and one you have to request special. There are two reasons for this.
1. They're hypocrits
2. AT&T cable makes more money from pay per view adult entertainment than they do from ANYTHING else. The adult entertainment division SAVED the company from complete bankruptcy. Why shouldn't THAT be glamourized. It's a MULTI-BILLION dollar industry.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Personally I think it's just a short cut to fame. It's no secret that they throw you away when you're about 25 and you are no longer the next hot thing. It's a very disposable industry.
How about I give you Jenna's number and then you can tell her that. And how about you tell the HUNDREDS of women still active in the industry that are over 25 what the secrets are of the industry.
Yup.... damn none of the MILF's are making any money. Nope. Alexandra in all honesty a 29 year old woman making her way into the adult industry will work more and earn more than probably 98% of the models on any internet modeling site. In fact one girl Kat McKenna came into the industry worked for 6 months and left with a couple hundred thousand in her pocket. Is she famous? Nope. She's PAID!
Now that you got me started... In your all so cherished and female empowering HOLLYWOOD how many female directors are there? There are at least 100 of them in Porn. How many of the 20 or so female directors in Hollywood actually own their OWN production studios? There are at least 20 that I personally know in Porn. So who is actually empowering women?
Not to mention the fact that I have had MANY mainstream Hollywood celebs tell me about the casting couch sleaze that goes on there. I've not ever heard of a casting couch with any reputable company in my 9 years of being in the adult industry.
People like you who know not of what they speak really annoy those of us who actually have knowledge and experience.
Miss P, she started with Digital Playground. But Vivid actually made her career. But yes she is a VERY shrewd business woman for sure. And her new company Club Jenna is going to go off the hook!
Theda in order for you to become supreme high porn overlord you have to get passed me first.... LOL Maybe we should team up and dethrone Larry Flynt since he is the supreme high porn overlord. He owns Vivid. It don't get no bigger than that. It is a short cut to fame and it does exploit women. So what if the women are paid, big deal but there are other ways of making money.
I get sick and tired of these daytime talk shows that glamourize your industry. Examples "I was a geek in high school and no one talked to me, now I make porn films!" WTF is that all about?
There are better ways to up your self esteem like getting an education and not spreading your legs. What message does that send to young girls out there who are teased a lot for their looks?
It's stuff like that makes them think that is all they are good for when they get older. And that is a sad message.
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DJTalStudios
Posts: 602
Seattle, Washington, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
It is a short cut to fame and it does exploit women. So what if the women are paid, big deal but there are other ways of making money. You really are clueless aren't you? You can't EXPLOIT someone who volunteers to do it. No one forces the hundreds of women that file through my office a month to come there. They do so because they want to. I spend much of my interview time with them trying to talk them OUT of the business.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
I get sick and tired of these daytime talk shows that glamourize your industry. Examples "I was a geek in high school and no one talked to me, now I make porn films!" WTF is that all about? Why? It's a fact.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
There are better ways to up your self esteem like getting an education and not spreading your legs. What message does that send to young girls out there who are teased a lot for their looks? You mean like MODELING? That if you're not the perfect type you get nothing. When in adult there is work for every type? And did you have any idea that MANY of the women in the adult industry have degrees and advanced degrees? Tera Patrick has a degree in bio-chemical engineering. I asked her once WTF is she doing porn. her answer, she loves to fuck and makes more money doing adult.
Asia Carrera has a degree in literature. When asked her answer was. I make more money doing porn. It's a choice. And it's a hell of a lot more honest than a model sitting there in a thong covering her tits with her legs spread. WTF is that selling?
I know a couple of women in the industry who have their Law Degree.
A whole lot better than Victoria's Secret airing a commercial during prime time with women that 99% of women will NEVER look like and having the nerve to ask What is sexy! What message is THAT sending to young girls.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
It's stuff like that makes them think that is all they are good for when they get older. And that is a sad message. Oh give it up. What good is a model when HER modeling career is up? There is no difference between being a model who doesn't do porn and one who does. Well there is a difference, and that is the catagory they fit into. And on the net the fact that one gets paid a whole lot more.
Why don't we address things that are REALLY detrimental to ALL people. Like seeing bodies blown up, shootouts, high speed car chases. I would rather have a society desensitized to sex and sexuality than a society desensitized to violence. Which society are we? EVERYONE will have sex or hopes to at some point in their lives. How many of us will put bullets or snap the neck of another human being? I have and it's not pretty. THAT stuff FUCKS you up for the rest of your life.
I've never had nightmares about sex... Well except for the one time I was shooting with Brooke Hunter and she damn near snapped my soldier in half.... I still have nightmares about that.
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Hugh Jorgen
Posts: 2850
Ashland, Oregon, US
Education is expensive and hard!!
Spreading your legs is fun you and can get paid for it!!
its not hard to figure what alot would choose in this monetary society we have!
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Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
So you say your industry doesn't exploit women huh? Look what I found on the net! Even Stripper Industry Insiders Charging Canadian Government With Trafficking in Women Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalition gets "more complaints about Canada than any other western country" VANCOUVER, May 31, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - On the eve of the US release of its Trafficking in Persons (TIP) report, wherein Canada is sure to get a mention, the Liberal government has come under renewed fire for illicit sex trafficking. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will release the fifth annual Department of State TIP report on Wednesday. The 150-country report is the most comprehensive worldwide report on the efforts of governments to combat severe forms of trafficking in persons, or modern-day slavery. While disgraced Liberal MP Judy Sgro may feel vindicated by recent statements from ethics commissioner Bernard Shapiro, the Canadian stripper visa scandal which ballooned under her watch continues to outrage human rights groups, and even strip club insiders. As anti-trafficking groups the world over denounced Canada for offering special visas for 'exotic dancers, the government defended doing so. Then Immigration Minster Sgro responded to criticisms in the House of Commons last year saying that the strip club industry has "a right to have their labour market needs approved." Sgro stepped down over controversies over conflict of interest accusations related to a Romanian stripper who obtained an extended work permit while working on then Immigration Minister Sgro's election campaign. There were further allegations by a now-deported pizza shop owner. Sgro said a few weeks ago she felt vindicated since the pizza shop owner retracted his allegations and on the Romanian stripper incident Shapiro wrote, "while you were not aware of the volunteer status of Ms. Balaican, members of your staff did know of this." Shapiro added, however, "Thus, your staff for whom you bear responsibility did, in fact, place you in a conflict of interest." However human rights groups are concerned that the kafuffle over Sgro has clouded the real scandal of the Canadian government's involvement in human trafficking via its 'exotic dancer program' which grants special visa work permits for foreign women to be employed in strip clubs in Canada. Such programs, say anti-trafficking groups, are a recipe for human trafficking since they lead women into forced prostitution after they arrive in foreign countries. The concerns of the anti-trafficking groups are now backed by industry insiders. Former stripper and currently international strip club agent Janet Godkin told LifeSiteNews.com that there is no shortage of women in the industry to necessitate such foreign work permit programs. Godkin, who runs Vancouver-based The Best Dancers Inc., said, "There is no proof of scarcity, Canadian dancers are simply reluctant to work in a negative job market and be employed as nothing more than sex slaves." Despite the promises made by Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan in the House of Commons last December indicating that the Canadian exotic dancer program was cancelled, anti-trafficking groups suggest such recruiting activities continue in foreign countries. Indeed, Godkin tells LifeSiteNews.com that the program, "is in fact still in effect and being used to trick Romanian girls into coming to Canada to so-called dance, which in turn, lines the pockets of unscrupulous foreign recruiters so that they can earn a healthy living off the avails of the girl's prostitution." On closer inspection, while the exotic dancer program has been shelved on paper, current HRSDC regulations still allow the practice. "Employers who wish to hire temporary foreign exotic dancers will be required to seek an individual labour market opinion from HRSDC," say current guidelines. (See those guidelines here: http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/en/epb/lmd/fw/forms/conexem... ) Rumours of Liberal government ties to organized crime stemming from the Gomery inquiry are considerably reinforced by charges levelled against the government by anti-trafficking groups. Speaking to LifeSiteNews.com last summer, when the exotic dancer visa scheme first came to light, Gregory Carlin of the Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalition told LifeSiteNews.com, "We get more complaints about Canada than any other western country. Of course, it is not every country which climbs into bed with organized crime as a human resource partner." Godkin has called for a public inquiry into the matter. "The Liberals and HRSDC are not doing enough to protect the exotic dancers in Canada, they are however fuelling the slave trade. The industry deserves a public inquiry into strip club conditions and human rights abuses," she said. Sex is supposed to be a beautiful experience between two people who love each other very much and this is even more proof that porn cheapens it. Wheather you want to admit to it or not, it does exploit women and it does not empower them. Is this empowering? I think not!
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Hugh Jorgen
Posts: 2850
Ashland, Oregon, US
Dont sweat the petty stuff... and dont pet the sweaty stuff
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DJTalStudios
Posts: 602
Seattle, Washington, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
So you say your industry doesn't exploit women huh? Look what I found on the net!
Ummmm WTF does a STRIPPER visa issued by a FOREIGN government for women from other countries to come in to that country in order to work in strip clubs, have to do with my industry? Somehow I didn't see the names of any production companies mentioned in there.
We don't force anyone to do porn. Get over it. You're grasping at straws to try and pull yourself up on solid ground that doesn't exist. You have no points here.
The women in the adult industry that work for reputable companies go to those companies KNOWING full well what they are going there for. And you can't exploit someone who KNOWS what they are there to do, and has full knowledge of everything that is happening.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Sex is supposed to be a beautiful experience between two people who love each other very much and this is even more proof that porn cheapens it. Wheather you want to admit to it or not, it does exploit women and it does not empower them. Is this empowering? I think not! You are soooo right. That is why I am CERTAIN that the only person you've ever had sex with is your husband. Porn doesn't cheapen sex anymore than guns kill people. Porn doesn't cause anyone to rape anymore than the movie the Matrix caused some stupid ass kids to go into their Colorado school and shoot their classmates for teasing their stupid asses.
And again you are sooooo right, two women one currently in the industry and one out of it didn't make MILLIONS of dollars. And nope I didn't just sign 12 girls to $100K contracts and one additional girl to a $250K contract. Nope not empowering to women. Nope allowing women to be just as sexual as men and make MORE money than men for it isn't empowering at all. Hmmmmm I mean let me think of another job where walking in the door a woman will make more than a man..... Hmmmmmmmmm ummmmmmmmm NONE!
Let me ask you this. How much do you charge for a nude shoot?
Model
Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
First of all there's nothing wrong with having sex with your spouse (cuts down on AIDS and other STDs) and two what I charge is none of your business. Unlike the women in your industry I have respect for my body and as for nudes it is for the art which you know absolutely nothing about. These girls are getting paid and that still makes them prostitutes. Just because they are doing it on film does not make them actresses. Like I said ANYONE can do porn and it does not require talent.
That is my opinion and I plan on sticking by it.
Photographer
DJTalStudios
Posts: 602
Seattle, Washington, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
First of all there's nothing wrong with having sex with your spouse (cuts down on AIDS and other STDs) and two what I charge is none of your business. I missed the part where I said there was. What I said was then that is the ONLY person you have had sex with then.
And are you REALLY THAT deluded? I know of many people who got an STD from a spouse that didn't cheat on them. And actually it is my business you see I am a professional and I asked a question based on that profession. Why are you scared to answer? What do you have to hide?
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Unlike the women in your industry I have respect for my body and as for nudes it is for the art which you know absolutely nothing about. I know nothing about art? There you go again speaking about things you know nothing about. Honey there is very little in this industry of photography that I haven't shot and gotten published so you can stuff it.
Respect for your body? Do you smoke? Do you consume alcoholic beverages? Have you ever? Do you eat properly? Do you excercise regularly? There is more to respecting ones body than just who they have sex on camera with. And a lot of these women work with thier spouses and boyfriends.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
These girls are getting paid and that still makes them prostitutes. Just because they are doing it on film does not make them actresses. Like I said ANYONE can do porn and it does not require talent. Really? ANYONE huh? OK just like ANYONE can be a model. And models get paid to sell sex what does that make them? And how much did your boyfriends/husband spend taking you out on dates before you had sex with them? Difference between you and pornstars or as you call them, prostitutes? They bypass all the maditory time wasting for a set price. And a date you never know how much it's going to end up costing or if you're even gonna get what you want.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
That is my opinion and I plan on sticking by it. And our President's opinion is that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that no one can seem to find. And he's sticking by that as well.
You're all about opinions and have ZERO FACTS to back up your opinion. And when presented with facts you answer back with more opinions. Well you know what they say about opinions......
Model
Alexandra Paris
Posts: 326
Portland, Arkansas, US
One I have been with my husband for over six years and we are faithful to each other so don't even play that mind game with me. You don't know squat about my personal life! So you are the one who is deluded.
Two, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ART period! Porn is not art. The statue of David is art, the Venus DeMilo is art, the Mona Lisa is art. Bikini line bumps from shaving and come shots are not art!
Three, my body is a temple. I treat it how I see fit and that means I don't violate it by having sex with strange people on camera. That is my choice!
Four, like I said ANYONE can do porn, it does not require talent, just a lack of self respect. And as for my dating practices, I paid my own damned way and I still do even though I am married. So does that still make me a prostitute? I don't think so!
Whenever someone challenges you, you always have to prove you're right and I hate to tell you this but not everyone has to think like you do. So live with it!
Photographer
DJTalStudios
Posts: 602
Seattle, Washington, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
One I have been with my husband for over six years and we are faithful to each other so don't even play that mind game with me. You don't know squat about my personal life! So you are the one who is deluded. Ummmmm six years eh? And he didn't have a life before you?
One thing you should know about me is that I may laugh and joke but I NEVER play.
And I wasn't talking about YOUR personal life as fact. I asked a question. See I don't speak on things I don't know about as FACT. Unlike you. When was the last time you both were tested? THAT was the actual question I asked. Since you like throwing around the threat of STD's.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Two, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ART period! Porn is not art. The statue of David is art, the Venus DeMilo is art, the Mona Lisa is art. Bikini line bumps from shaving and come shots are not art! How would you know what I know about? You wouldn't. But hey if I know nothing about art then neighter does Kodak who gave me a scholarship to the Brookes institute of photography. And yeah the statue of david is art which is when when it tours the US they cover up his penis. Give it up. Art is subjective. And the supreme court of this country says different about porn being art.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Three, my body is a temple. I treat it how I see fit and that means I don't violate it by having sex with strange people on camera. That is my choice! You still didn't answer the direct question. Fact is if you smoke, drink, don't excersise, don't eat properly then your body really isn't that much of a temple now is it. People usually take very good care of their temples.
So you don't violate it by having sex with strange people on camera, just off camera huh? LOL. Hey I'm sure there are crack addicts that dont have sex on camera with strange people either but does that mean they respect their bodies?
But doing porn is the choice of those who do it. So you should rather than bash them for their choice respect their choice just as much as you want yours respected. Accept it and move on.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Four, like I said ANYONE can do porn, it does not require talent, just a lack of self respect. And as for my dating practices, I paid my own damned way and I still do even though I am married. So does that still make me a prostitute? I don't think so! No not ANYONE can do porn. Again with the opinion to a statement of FACT. But like I said, ANYONE can be a model. Or at least call themselves one.
You paid your own way on dates? Sheesh does your man not have a job or something? Or are you one of those emmasculating obnoxious feminazis? Im going to guess the latter.
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Whenever someone challenges you, you always have to prove you're right and I hate to tell you this but not everyone has to think like you do. So live with it! Do you really think that YOU are a challenge? You're not. You have not answered one pointed question with any level of competence. You have presented no facts, only OPINIONS of FACTS that have been presented to you.
I don't expect everyone to think like I do. That would be impossible. And stop projecting yourself and YOUR actions on to me. That's really annoying.
And have you known me long enough to know what I ALWAYS do? I merely presented information and asked questions about your opinions. It's called a conversation, discussion, or debate.
Photographer
StMarc
Posts: 2959
Chicago, Illinois, US
Posted by Alexandra Paris:
Posted by theda:
Then perhaps you should refrain from talking about it as if you have some knowledge on the subject? The last time I checked it was a free country. And I have the right to my opinion. "Always remember that the right to speak freely does not imply the right to be taken seriously."
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Makeup Artist
Reese
Posts: 1136
Newport News, Virginia, US
Well, I'm gone for a little while, and the post grows... It must have been a good topic. I'll have to think of another one before the day is out.
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