Lexi Williams wrote:
Professionals never pressure models to get naked if they don’t want too


Only the amateurs and the untalented do  !!!!!

most model wannabes can't tell the difference between a pro and a GWC. just like some model wannabes don't understand the difference between a complain on stupid profile text of some amateurs and pressuring someone.

Lexi Williams wrote:
Cut the photographers some slack. Quite complaining about them!

learn the Dam differance between good photographers and bad ones


Professionals never pressure models to get naked if they don’t want too


Only the amateurs and the untalented do  !!!!!

I would say that if you are being pressured to do nudes and you don't want to... leave.  If you have discussed a shoot ahead of time with a photog and nudes were not discussed and you don't want to drop your clothes... pack them up and leave.

However... if you talked about it and agreed to it them it's your responsibilty to live up to your end of the agreement.  If you ask a photog for advice and he says you should shoot nude if you want to make a career out of modeling, then it's up to you to decide if you want to go that direction. 

I hate it when models assume there is a lot of pressure to do nudes.  If someone asks me my opinion I'll tell them what i think is the truth.  If you are 5' 7" and a D cup with broad hips... sorry, but you aint gonna be a fashion model on the runways of the world.

If you are lucky or really good you can get some local work but you have to find it yourself.  Last time I checked, Elite, Ford and Hefner weren't signing a lot of 5'3 to 5'7" models.  So glam seems to be your best bet... especially if you have a nice body.  If you choose not to show it off, that's fine.  Work in the realm you are comfortable in.  No one is going to force you to strip.

I know that Lexi wasn't saying all this, I just wanted to tie into a bit of what she said as I was climbing on my virtual soap box.  I don't shoot nudes, so it's hard for me to tell a model I like that she should consider it because I end up losing her as a model... but whatever is best for her career is what I'll suggest.  (btw - very seldom does my advice include nudes)

Northwest Fashion wrote:

I would say that if you are being pressured to do nudes and you don't want to... leave.  If you have discussed a shoot ahead of time with a photog and nudes were not discussed and you don't want to drop your clothes... pack them up and leave.

However... if you talked about it and agreed to it them it's your responsibilty to live up to your end of the agreement.  If you ask a photog for advice and he says you should shoot nude if you want to make a career out of modeling, then it's up to you to decide if you want to go that direction. 

I hate it when models assume there is a lot of pressure to do nudes.  If someone asks me my opinion I'll tell them what i think is the truth.  If you are 5' 7" and a D cup with broad hips... sorry, but you aint gonna be a fashion model on the runways of the world.

If you are lucky or really good you can get some local work but you have to find it yourself.  Last time I checked, Elite, Ford and Hefner weren't signing a lot of 5'3 to 5'7" models.  So glam seems to be your best bet... especially if you have a nice body.  If you choose not to show it off, that's fine.  Work in the realm you are comfortable in.  No one is going to force you to strip.

I know that Lexi wasn't saying all this, I just wanted to tie into a bit of what she said as I was climbing on my virtual soap box.  I don't shoot nudes, so it's hard for me to tell a model I like that she should consider it because I end up losing her as a model... but whatever is best for her career is what I'll suggest.  (btw - very seldom does my advice include nudes)

I know first hand what you say is true and honest


Never would argue with that

Brett Nicholls wrote:
I'm not one typical to put out my two cents unless I'm asked for it, but what's the deal with all the photographers out there complaining about female models who won't shoot nudes?
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there are an awful lot of photographers out there putting down models who won't do nudes, and pressuring models with false hopes of "playboy" submissions and the like.

What the hell are you talking about?
Where are "ALL these photographers out there complaining"???
Where do you see an "awful lot of photographers out there putting down
models who won't do nudes"???

Since there are sooooo many "frustrated perv" photographers like you say, it should be easy for you to point to some threads so we can see what you're talking about.
It should be easy for you to show us a few examples.
Where are they???
This is a bogus thread and I doubt whether you're going to supply examples to
back up what you're saying. You've made less than 40 posts so I doubt strongly
you're familiar with most of the photographers on this site. I've been in a lot of
threads on this site and I've never seen a photographer put down a model for
not doing a nude.
Enlighten me.
This thread is just a bunch of crap trying to make yourself look good as
some savior of poor, helpless models.

Phylecia wrote:
I posted a reply for being interested in shooting with a photographer but I also said that I don't do nudity. (When I looked at his profile he had both clothed and nude models in his port. but I liked his concept on b&w so that's why I replied.) He wrote back with a snappy why would you be interested then? I personally don't get why models would shoot nude unless it was for playboy or something of the sorts. I think modeling and posing nude should be 2 seperate catagories. If you wanna be a nude model go join gods girls or suicide girls or any of the other websites like that.

boi, i know you not gonna like me. but please edit out what you said or this is gonna get interesting. you've just insulted all the respected art models here at MM. . .

FYI. read my post and keep an open mind.

Brett Nicholls wrote:
I'm not one typical to put out my two cents unless I'm asked for it, but what's the deal with all the photographers out there complaining about female models who won't shoot nudes?  Is there some unwritten law that I've missed that says a woman must do nudes or imply, sheer, etc. to be considered a good model, sexy, desirable, artistic, etc? 

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there are an awful lot of photographers out there putting down models who won't do nudes, and pressuring models with false hopes of "playboy" submissions and the like.  If a woman doesn't want to take her clothes off for you, let her alone.  But, to put that model down or to call her "less of a model" or play the "everyone who is anyone is doing it" routine, really has to stop.  Sometimes I wonder how much of it is really about the "art" to begin with or more just some sexually frustrated pervs with lenses trying to get their peeps.    Just my two cents. Thanks.

i agree and they seem to be all over this sight,talkin trash and showen those same over used images same setting, same lighting, differant nude model, they suck

Leo Chan wrote:

boi, i know you not gonna like me. but please edit out what you said or this is gonna get interesting. you've just insulted all the respected art models here at MM. . .

FYI. read my post and keep an open mind.

tee hee he, Leo kicks butt

Class Act Photography wrote:

What the hell are you talking about?
Where are "ALL these photographers out there complaining"???
Where do you see an "awful lot of photographers out there putting down
models who won't do nudes"???

Since there are sooooo many "frustrated perv" photographers like you say, it should be easy for you to point to some threads so we can see what you're talking about.
It should be easy for you to show us a few examples.
Where are they???
This is a bogus thread and I doubt whether you're going to supply examples to
back up what you're saying. You've made less than 40 posts so I doubt strongly
you're familiar with most of the photographers on this site. I've been in a lot of
threads on this site and I've never seen a photographer put down a model for
not doing a nude.
Enlighten me.
This thread is just a bunch of crap trying to make yourself look good as
some savior of poor, helpless models.

there was the clown in the shout box, respected photographer tellin the 18 year old girl, Ill only shoot you if you get naked, theres a huge list of guys that use it as a weapon........and openly as well....nudity is great but should not be forced on anyone

Leo Chan wrote:

most model wannabes can't tell the difference between a pro and a GWC. just like some model wannabes don't understand the difference between a complain on stupid profile text of some amateurs and pressuring someone.

leo summed it up again....

jonathan ledeux wrote:
i agree and they seem to be all over this sight,talkin trash and showen those same over used images same setting, same lighting, differant nude model, they suck

I don't disagree that there are photographers on this site with crappy nude images and bondage stuff I don't like, but where are all these "frustrated perv" photographers who are pressuring models to pose nude and putting them down?  I haven't seen it. Show me a thread where there is some photographer "talking trash" like you say and putting down models who won't pose nude. This OP started this thread like it's some big major problem or something on this site. I haven't seen it. Show me this big problem that's he's painted and insulted so many photographers with. If it's so rampant, like you say, you should be able to show me lots of examples.

Leo Chan wrote:

boi, i know you not gonna like me. but please edit out what you said or this is gonna get interesting. you've just insulted all the respected art models here at MM. . .

FYI. read my post and keep an open mind.

Okay so nude photos can be done artistically but some still just look like porn in b&w. Even if you are doing it in the sake of "art" you still have to tag it with an 18+ symbol and I'm sure not everyone looks at it from an artists perspective. I mean do what you want I still have yet to see a form of nude picture that I would personally call art. Although I don't go searching for it in the first place, but I keep an open mind.

jonathan ledeux wrote:

there was the clown in the shout box, respected photographer tellin the 18 year old girl, Ill only shoot you if you get naked, theres a huge list of guys that use it as a weapon........and openly as well....nudity is great but should not be forced on anyone

Could you be a little more specific please? What clown in what shout box?
You have a huge list of guys that use it as a weapon?  Really wow!
How did you get that list?  Did you compile it? A huge list of guys !?!!
I didn't know this site had such an epidemic of creeps. Can you give me one
example?  Just one will do.  If there is such a huge list, there shouldn't be any
problem proving your point.

Class Act Photography wrote:

I don't disagree that there are photographers on this site with crappy nude images and bondage stuff I don't like, but where are all these "frustrated perv" photographers who are pressuring models to pose nude and putting them down?  I haven't seen it. Show me a thread where there is some photographer "talking trash" like you say and putting down models who won't pose nude. This OP started this thread like it's some big major problem or something on this site. I haven't seen it. Show me this big problem that's he's painted and insulted so many photographers with. If it's so rampant, like you say, you should be able to show me lots of examples.

I didn't think he was nec. referring to this site.... I've had negative experiences and gotten attitude about not wanting to model nude outside the site.

And I don't think he's insulting all photographers who shoot nude, this is directed at stuck up creeps who throw a tantrum b/c they aren't getting their way with a model and NOT at talented photogs and models who happily shoot nudes.

jonathan ledeux wrote:
....nudity is great but should not be forced on anyone

Please name one person on this site who believes that nudity should be forced on models or show me a thread of photographers who believe this.
Simple request.

Pamela Hunter wrote:

I didn't think he was nec. referring to this site.... I've had negative experiences and gotten attitude about not wanting to model nude outside the site.

And I don't think he's insulting all photographers who shoot nude, this is directed at stuck up creeps who throw a tantrum b/c they aren't getting their way with a model and NOT at talented photogs and models who happily shoot nudes.

Has it been your experience that there are a AWFUL LOT of professional "photographers out there putting down models who won't do nudes, and pressuring models with false hopes of "playboy" submissions and the like."  Has this been your experience also?

Pamela Hunter wrote:

I didn't think he was nec. referring to this site.... I've had negative experiences and gotten attitude about not wanting to model nude outside the site.

And I don't think he's insulting all photographers who shoot nude, this is directed at stuck up creeps who throw a tantrum b/c they aren't getting their way with a model and NOT at talented photogs and models who happily shoot nudes.

you said it so well, thank you

jonathan ledeux wrote:
isnt it worth scorning the use of power to get sexual gratification? thats what we are talking about. how about the shooter that says,,, Ill take your picture but would you just pose nude for me for my private use? thats when it becomes about masterbation and is really a joke

I don't know any photographer who would ask a model to pose nude for their
private use. You must, obviously, hang around people in different circles than I do.

Class Act Photography wrote:

Has it been your experience that there are a AWFUL LOT of professional "photographers out there putting down models who won't do nudes, and pressuring models with false hopes of "playboy" submissions and the like."  Has this been your experience also?

You're using the word "professional"
I don't think that's who the OP meant, nor is it who I mean. Alas no, I've not been exposed to many pro photogs nor would I ever even remotely consider them behaving in the manner the OP has described.

I think the people this is directed at are creeps who just want to see boobies so they get pissy when models don't give in.

Some of the OP's language is a bit loaded sure, but I've gotten some really nasty e-mails, yes some even from this site, and yes from creeps about not wanting to do nudes. And the gist was "I'm frustrated, I want power and you won't do nudes and give me my way!"

This isn't about a thread or a specific person per say, it's about an undercurrent attitude amongst a segment of the amateur population, it's about little snide digs people stick in at you.

If you are a pro (haven't looked at your port but am assuming) and you are running in a pro circle, of course you aren't going to come across that attitude.

Also with respect, you aren't female facing the lens.

If you conduct yourself as a gentleman and a professional then you have my admiration and respect, and this thread is most certainly not directed at you or your associates.

Class Act Photography wrote:

I don't know any photographer who would ask a model to pose nude for their
private use. You must, obviously, hang around people in different circles than I do.

ten foot pole!

Pamela Hunter wrote:
I don't think that's who the OP meant, nor is it who I mean. Alas no, I've not been exposed to many pro photogs nor would I ever even remotely consider them behaving in the manner the OP has described.

I think the people this is directed at are creeps who just want to see boobies so they get pissy when models don't give in.

Then he should say that.
It's not some incredible revelation to models that there are creepy guys out there
pretending to be photographers, with little references and credentials, who just want to get them naked. Most girls probably learn that early in life. The OP says there's an
"awful lot" of "frustrated perv" photographers out there "putting down" models and
"pressuring" them to get nude. This is a bogus, big exaggeration and just adds to all the fearmongering against photographers.

Pamela Hunter wrote:
I didn't think he was nec. referring to this site....

If he wasn't referring to this site, then his argument is even more ignorant.
Then that would mean that his opinion, about all the "frustrated perv" photographers,
is based on his personal experiences and the MANY photographers and models he knows.
That wouldn't be a fair sample of people to base such an opinion on.
Again, I wouldn't know because I don't hang around in those circles.
This thread is just a lot of crap by a guy trying to make a big issue out of nothing
and make himself look cool at the same time.

Class Act Photography wrote:

Then he should say that.
It's not some incredible revelation to models that there are creepy guys out there
pretending to be photographers, with little references and credentials, who just want to get them naked. Most girls probably learn that early in life. The OP says there's an
"awful lot" of "frustrated perv" photographers out there "putting down" models and
"pressuring" them to get nude. This is a bogus, big exaggeration and just adds to all the fearmongering against photographers.

I'm afraid of you.

Pamela Hunter wrote:

I'm afraid of you.

It would be hard for me to express exactly, and find the rights words
to precisely convey how little I care.

Doug Swinskey wrote:
ok..so how are you supposed to shoot  them nude, when they dont want to..if you don't apply some sort of "pressure"..???

I never pressure anyone to shoot nude... almost 99% of the time I let them bring it up.  In fact my last shoot I sent the model an email saying 'I hope you didn't feel like you had to do nudes' she replied and said that she wanted to and that she has never been more comfortable doing them.

I love the female body don't get me wrong! but I would also and have shot male nudes too.  For me there is no difference when I am working.

So to all the models that have felt pressures by photogs. to shoot nude.. please don't think we are all like that.

ShoreShot Studios wrote:
GWC's just suck.....look for reputable, established photographers who are registered as legal businesses, belong to National Associations and have plenty of references.  You can't go wrong that way. 

Oh... and bring someone with you...
-Gary

National Associations. yep! sad if a photographer has never even HEARD of them or the very idea...

Jigo wrote:
I just get sick and tired of models constantly pressuring me to shoot in my under britches.

Sorry ladies, the pants stay on.

HAHAHAHAHA most awesome photog yet

Vivus Denuo wrote:
Why pressure a model?  Find models who pose nude!  There are zillions of them.

Well said.  I have never heard of a photographer pressuring a model to shoot nude.

Stacy Leigh wrote:
How about photographers who pressure Female photographers to pose nude?!?

It almost happened to me, https://modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=2390

Oh wait...except that I happily stripped down!! And it was liberating!!! Nudity is fine for some- but anybody who can be pressured into getting naked is in danger of FAR more then just pervy photogs....

After a shoot involving nudes I'll often ask a first time nudes model what she thought of the experience. That word, "liberating" is used nearly every time.

FemmeArt wrote:

Well said.  I have never heard of a photographer pressuring a model to shoot nude.

Well, then you don't know the same people that Jonathan and the OP do.
They say there's an "awful lot" of them and there's a "huge list" of these guys who
pressure and put down women to pose nude.
I don't think this problem is as prevalent with photographers as they seem to think it is and I resent my profession being painted with that brush because of the minority of
creeps who do that to women.

WillSpringfield wrote:

wouldnt it make you MORE frustrated JUST LOOKING at a nude girl instead of actually F^#&ING one???

Mister *shakes head* bad boy!-you are now officially in timeout........somewhere.........lol but HOLY GRANOLA!