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Photogs who pressure female models to shoot nudes
I'm not one typical to put out my two cents unless I'm asked for it, but what's the deal with all the photographers out there complaining about female models who won't shoot nudes? Is there some unwritten law that I've missed that says a woman must do nudes or imply, sheer, etc. to be considered a good model, sexy, desirable, artistic, etc? Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there are an awful lot of photographers out there putting down models who won't do nudes, and pressuring models with false hopes of "playboy" submissions and the like. If a woman doesn't want to take her clothes off for you, let her alone. But, to put that model down or to call her "less of a model" or play the "everyone who is anyone is doing it" routine, really has to stop. Sometimes I wonder how much of it is really about the "art" to begin with or more just some sexually frustrated pervs with lenses trying to get their peeps. Just my two cents. Thanks. Jan 13 07 11:56 pm Link Well said. I agree with you. Jan 14 07 12:00 am Link If she doesn't want to pose nude then she doesn't want to pose nude. End of story. Isn't that kinda common sense? Oh, ya...common sense is a rare commodity these days. Jan 14 07 12:04 am Link Brett Nicholls wrote:
Jan 14 07 12:04 am Link ok..so how are you supposed to shoot them nude, when they dont want to..if you don't apply some sort of "pressure"..??? Jan 14 07 12:08 am Link Doug Swinskey wrote: I haven't been pressured yet to do so. Jan 14 07 12:11 am Link you rock Brett!!! Thanks a bunch for your post!!! It feels good to know that someone out there who feels the same way I do. Go Brett go go go Brett! hehe Thanks again. ~Chantelle~ www.simplychantelle.com Jan 14 07 12:13 am Link Who needs pressure when you have science on your side: https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=109236 ;o) Jan 14 07 12:17 am Link Brett Nicholls wrote: wouldnt it make you MORE frustrated JUST LOOKING at a nude girl instead of actually F^#&ING one??? Jan 14 07 12:18 am Link Bryan Benoit wrote: roflmao. Jan 14 07 12:18 am Link I PRESSURE CHICKS TO GET BUCKET A$$ NEKKIT!!!!! hell yeah take 'em OFF!!!! Jan 14 07 12:19 am Link WillSpringfield wrote: a) what is nekkit? Jan 14 07 12:20 am Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Why the heck would you want to shoot them nude, if they don't want to? You probably won't get good images with unwilling models. Jan 14 07 12:25 am Link Doug Swinskey wrote: You're not. Jan 14 07 12:32 am Link If a photographer gets upset with models who won't do nudes (which should have been negotiated and clarified in advance) and tries to pressure them into nudes (which would be disregarding those boundaries set in advance)... ...then they are more interested in the "nude" part rather than the "photography" part. Walk out the door. Jan 14 07 12:33 am Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Please tell me you're trying to make a joke. Jan 14 07 12:36 am Link Amen and thank you kind sir! I see so much power tripping pissy photographers who don't give a shit about anything but the power over a model's body they can extract by getting them naked. Then they OWN the images and can make display, sell, etc. etc. however they please. A naieve model shows up for a TFP shoot with a GWC (I'm not slamming the talented figure photographers who conduct themselves professionally nor the figure models who shoot with them) and he shoves a release in her face, Or he sweet talks and pressures her into something she regrets. Her naked body is his forever on film to do with what he pleases. Her say in the matter is over. Who wants to be immortalised as a slut? Not saying that the model is, it's just that many nudes can go that route, just by the attitude the photographer shoots with. The model can be trying to portray something artistic and the GWC can royally fuck it up, and then OH! Too bad *I* have a release, nanner nanner nanner. And people wonder why many models won't shoot nudes... B/c many photographers act like a-holes with mommy issues. Y'all want more nude models? Act like a gentleman don't act like act like a disrespectful sleazebag, offer shared rights, go over the release together and respect her wishes if there are images she is uncomfortable with, have the courtesy to delete them. If she isn't comfortable with you using them as anything other than portfolio pieces than why should you? If anyone as a photographer in any way makes nudes a negative experience for a model, what do you think she's (or he's) going to do? Smile, bend over and say "please sir may I have another? Too much egomania goes on and not enough respect for a fellow human being happens. Oh yeah and Bacon!  Jan 14 07 12:45 am Link I have never asked a model to shoot nude. They always ask me. Jan 14 07 12:47 am Link Mark Turner wrote: I imagine getting "good images" is probably not a priority with someone who is pressuring a model to do nudes. Jan 14 07 12:48 am Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Daniel Savage wrote: Right, because most of them won't give in after being reassured about the conditions... lol Jan 14 07 01:33 am Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Retro Photo wrote: Oh, don't be such a sissy. Jan 14 07 01:34 am Link Searcher wrote: Doug Swinskey wrote: Oh, don't be such a sissy. Next time someone asks why some models insist on escorts, we only need to refer to this thread. Jan 14 07 02:47 am Link Everyone saw the afterscool special where the girl from kansas gets off a bus in LA and the photographer takes a few snaps and says "hey are you a model?" To which she smiles and bashfully laughs and say "no, but I would like to be" he then says "well I am a photographer and I think I can make you famous, if you want call me and I will shoot you" At the shoot which she of course said yes too, he starts taking some pitures of her with a never ending role of 35mm film, and her in her typical school girl looking dress and he then says "hey you know if you slide that strap off your shoulder that would be great WOW you are beautiful your gonna be famous" He proceeds to tell her how great she looks and just as the other strap is coming off Commercial break....... OK at this time every male in their teens is already scrapping any thoughts of being a Police man, Fireman, or Prsident and starting to figure out how to get mommy to buy them a camera. Commercial break over and sure enough she is topless and next thing you know old jeds a millionaire! By the way I am selling the bus schedules from kansas to LA along with a brand new canon rebel and a DVD of how to act like a photographer for anyone who wants one, I'll make you famous (in your own mind) Photog in no time.  Stephen Eastwood http://www.PhotographersPortfolio.com Jan 14 07 03:00 am Link Oh yea, I do believe that the show had some moral to it at the end but who ever got that far? I was already at the pawn shop trying to trade my mothers china for a leica. Stephen Eastwood http://www.PhotographersPortfolio.com Jan 14 07 03:05 am Link this got me thinking I am going to pitch the idea of a digital remake to canon, nikon and sony they can all coproduce it. I am certain camera sales will jump everytime its on. Stephen Eastwood http://www.PhotographersPortfolio.com Jan 14 07 03:12 am Link if your going to pressure a model to shoot nude, she's obviously going to be uncomfortable which will LEAD to horrible shots. let a girl do what she wants Jan 14 07 03:12 am Link Is persuasion the same as pressure?  Jan 14 07 03:13 am Link Never mind Jan 14 07 03:16 am Link GWC's just suck.....look for reputable, established photographers who are registered as legal businesses, belong to National Associations and have plenty of references. You can't go wrong that way. Oh... and bring someone with you... -Gary Jan 14 07 03:21 am Link How about photographers who pressure Female photographers to pose nude?!? It almost happened to me, https://modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=2390 Oh wait...except that I happily stripped down!! And it was liberating!!! Nudity is fine for some- but anybody who can be pressured into getting naked is in danger of FAR more then just pervy photogs.... Jan 14 07 03:21 am Link Why pressure a model? Find models who pose nude! There are zillions of them. Jan 14 07 03:22 am Link The two most common reasons I came across on why a photographer want to shoot a nude model or make a big deal out of it: 1) this thread said it well. pervert with a lense and this gives the honest photographers a bad rap. 2) newbie photographers think in order to land big contract is to have a nude portfolio. to those, I must say, "sorry buddy, you missed the point of being a photographer and the essense of why photo is so important." A sucessful nude photo session will only happen if both the model and photographer develop a mutual respect of each other, being comfortable and feel safety. Jan 14 07 03:27 am Link Vivus Denuo wrote: This is the bottom line. Jan 14 07 03:29 am Link In the process of recruiting models for a shoot and having done many shoots with a nude model, I have come to the conclusion that every woman would like a beautiful nude image of her likeness. That said, there are also many reasons why a woman will NOT pose for such an image: 1 She does not trust or like YOU enough to pose. 2. She does not think you are sufficiently talented to capture her beauty. 3. She is a afraid she will fall short and disappoint with regards to her beauty. 4. She does not want to deal with the pressures from her peers, family, or chosen religious group. 5. It could affect her employment status in a negative way if the images ever became public. There are probably other reasons, all of them good ones as it is totally subjective on her part. Be honored when a model shares her beauty in this way and be respectful and courteous when they do not. They may change their minds later. Many times a potential model has said to me that they will not pose nude, before I even thought of asking them. Then at the shoot they decide that they want to after all. It is their choice, not yours. Jan 14 07 03:31 am Link Jordan May wrote: I've never pressured a model in any way. Some have said 'now's my prime' and wanted images to look back on when they're 50 and say, "Wow, that's me" (or that's whay they said, anyway), others it's just part of who they are - comfortable in their skin. Personally, a little tease is good, but that can be done without any kind of nudity at all. We even have in our profile a line about 'no pressure' we only shoot within the model's boundaries. Which is true. Nice job on this post. I think the GWC syndrome is more and more causing the issues. Tim Jan 14 07 03:39 am Link I think that we all can agree on one thing: Giving a model an attitude about not posing nude is not the way to get her to take her clothes off. Jan 14 07 03:45 am Link You're not. ding ding ding ding ding! We have a WINNER! Jan 14 07 03:46 am Link Stacy Leigh wrote: you're my hero. Jan 14 07 03:47 am Link Retro Photo wrote: he's telling the truth, my brother in law was complaining about my sister getting upity, not washing the dishes, cleaning was going down hill, i had him send her to doug and she straighted right up Jan 14 07 03:49 am Link law of intelligence: high IQ is not required for being successful. but all successful people have high IQ. law of modeling: shooting nude is not required for someone to be successful in modeling. but all successful models have shoot nude. any question? Jan 14 07 03:52 am Link |
