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Miss Shanna Banana wrote: interesting advice from someone whining in another thread....... Dec 15 06 07:58 pm Link ....  Dec 15 06 07:59 pm Link I have only 1 question, if you have a car payment, that means you must have had a job to get the loan, so, what happened to that job? Dec 15 06 08:01 pm Link Can someone be an engineer, doctor, attorney, accountant making good money without several years of schooling, thousands invested in education and training? Even then alot of those people never make it and there is much higher demand for those jobs than modeling relatively speaking. While modeling doesn't take anywhere near the same education it does require a great look, skill, training and experience and that is just for an opportunity to make some money just like any business. Models are in business and businesses fail if they don't invest in themselves, marketing themselves and spending hours at it with no assurance of success. If you are looking for guaranteed steady income get a job at a temp agency, receptionist or Starbucks. I always see attractive 20 something baristas at Starbucks( they rarely hire over 30 guys with a degree); so Im sure you wont have any problem. Aspiring models should just try it part time as a fun hobby(that they pay for and invest money into skills, experience like any hobby. For example, I used to spend thousands on skiing, does that mean I deserve to make alot of money as a professional skiier?)before attempting to make any money at it. Dec 15 06 08:01 pm Link A doctor, accountant, attorney and engineer spend countless hours and ungodly amounts of money on school to get the well-paying jobs they have. A model has to do the same on shoots, accessories, self-care, and plain old hitting the pavement to get their names/faces known and/or recognized so people and companies will pay them for their work. Lightwave Photography wrote: Dec 15 06 08:06 pm Link Brittney Denea wrote: Hey.. you were the one asking for suggestions... we gave you some. If you would have gone into detail and explained a little more, maybe the suggestions that you were given would have been a bit different. No one here called you an idiot... Dec 15 06 08:08 pm Link Leo Howard wrote: If I remember correctly from another thread, she was doing something regarding trips to Hawaii... Dec 15 06 08:09 pm Link Miss Shanna Banana wrote: well, that's the reason why no one wants to shoot with you because you told them in your profile, in so many words to suck it. Dec 15 06 08:13 pm Link Legacys 7 wrote: thats nothing what i said. i said im up to shoot with anyone. duh. you people are silly. Dec 15 06 08:15 pm Link Brandy wrote: Oh Dec 15 06 08:15 pm Link I'm working on my beach portfolio and would be more than happy to shoot with you. I do not pay much for portfolio work, but it will cover the cost of driving to the central coast and you will walk away with something for your portfolio. (you may want to hold off till it's a bit warmer) Brian in Atascadero, CA Dec 15 06 08:29 pm Link Miss Shanna Banana wrote: I'm referring to your older profile, but now you are doing what you are doing in your own similar post. You are telling people to suck it, but not really surprising. U r missing the point to why the woman can't get paid work. Mayhaps if you weren't so hardheaded, you'd learn something here. Dec 15 06 08:31 pm Link When I see a subject line like this, my first thought is that the post is a thinly veiled: A) request for empty compliments from random strangers (the ego stroke) -or- B) a passive-aggressive casting call in an inappropriate forum I hope this isn't one of those. They're both annoying. I agree with other people though-- you're going to need to hit your local agencies if you really want to make a living at catalog/commercial work. As far as I can tell, the bulk of paid work to be had from sites like this is a bit more adult-oriented than I think you'd be interested in. Maybe some of these will help: Models, if you want an agency... https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=63929 By doing a forum search for "agencies": Agencies for petite Models https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=51160 Agencies for under 5'9" https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=53526 "Reputable" Agencies for Unconventional Models https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=52122 at your height it's harder and with your unwillingness to shoot nude... there is a very very very slim chance you'll actually make money. As another non-nude shortie, I can say that this is very true-- even in a city like Seattle. It's why I have a normal job and only model on the side for fun (and the occasional bit of free latex, heh). Dec 19 06 05:34 pm Link You may have to get a real job and model on the weekends or something. You cant just throw all of your cares to the wind and expect to make enough modeling. Dec 19 06 05:37 pm Link Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote: Not that far in what terms? I just checked with google maps and its 5 hours and 41 minutes... Thats no daily commute... Dec 19 06 06:34 pm Link I think the casting calls section is pretty useless, actually, too many posters for the number of readers and everything drops off the first page very quickly. This is a networking site. Search for all photographers in whatever distance you're willing to drive. Start tagging, commenting on images, sending nice little notes. Maybe some of them will want to hire you. If you can get somebody to put you up in a hotel over this way you might want to note a bunch of local photographers and tell them you're in the area for such and such days if they're interested in hiring you. Dec 19 06 07:46 pm Link To me, becoming a model to have as a career and pay the bills is like saying you want to be a movie star...yeah, it's possible, but is it realistic? Dec 19 06 07:54 pm Link I have paid work available. And I've been known to pay for travel for some out of town models. But I don't allow chaperones. And that's where you and I hit our roadblock when we tried setting something up a couple of months ago. Send me a message if you want to try setting something up again. I'm planning a trip to your area beginning of February. Dec 19 06 07:59 pm Link If I am in your area sometime, I would love to shoot with you!! Dec 19 06 08:02 pm Link Shelby Rich wrote: If you have a look that'll sell and work at selling it, then sure. But you still have to work at it. Dec 19 06 08:04 pm Link Ransom J wrote: a little harsh. is someone having a bad day??? Dec 19 06 08:09 pm Link You just need to find a better photographer. Dec 19 06 08:14 pm Link here's the deal! having worked all over the world in this industry for 30 years and continue to do so, i will offer my advice. very few people on this site or others are making their primary income from modelling or photography. this is not to make a value judgement or to be critical, just an observation. please don't bother posting back about how YOU do work, i understand there are those of you here and elsewhere. now to my point: your best bet as a model or photographer is to be unique, be yourself, seperate from the clutter; either on line or not. as it relates to the op, look at the work of three examples of models on this site (i know there are many, many others so don't be offended by your exclusion) look at wynd mylusa, betcee may, and jen amber. all three hustle and work all the time and all three are great and very different. look at what makes them unique and learn from them. they are all beautiful, have a distinct philosophy, and are gutsy. if you try to conform to an unrealistic ideal, you will be subject to extreme scrutiny and most likely be discouraged. if this sounds negative, it is not! this is an opportunity to actually work; be yourself, figure it out. have the guts to be yourself. saverio Dec 19 06 08:16 pm Link Ashli Davenport wrote: No I wasn't having a bad day. And no it wasn't harsh. It was the truth. Dec 19 06 08:19 pm Link Ashli Davenport wrote: I have to say that I agree with Ransom. She's not a high fashion model, continuing to point herself in that direction and try for that isn't going to give her any satisfaction. Dec 19 06 08:27 pm Link I once had a modeling girlfriend named, "Brandy." She decided in her most proper Episcopalian manners to turn me into to the Maryland State Troopers for her wild fictions. As a result, I ban anyone named, "Brandy" from one of my photo shoots. Gee, I suppose is sucks to be you? Paul. Dec 19 06 08:33 pm Link Ransom J wrote: I agree, you should find a promotional modeling company. You can make decent money in just one day doing promotions. For example, I earned 400$ one day over Thanksgiving break doing a promotional job at the mall. Dec 19 06 08:34 pm Link Dobias Fine Art Photo wrote: Gee, I guess I'm a little confused as to what I'm supposedly missing out on...?? Dec 19 06 08:36 pm Link If you're constantly looking for a job then stop whining about how you can't keep your car if you can't get photographers to work with you. Honestly, all it makes you sound is unprofessional and desperate. We all have bills and yet we all don't post casting calls that say "help me keep my car." Don't mean to sound incredibly rude, you can accomplish anything, but it takes time and great self motivation. Keep trying, we all have to start somewhere. Dec 19 06 08:40 pm Link another one? the second one this week already. where in the world did she get the information that she can become a model that would pay her enough to keep a car? Dec 19 06 09:13 pm Link Leo Chan wrote: Leo, Dec 19 06 09:15 pm Link saverio wrote: The problem is the 3 gorgeous examples you cited all will pose nude. The op will not. Dec 19 06 09:20 pm Link John Jebbia wrote: and now we won't hear from the OP ever again. Dec 19 06 09:24 pm Link Daniela V wrote: hahaha Dec 19 06 09:25 pm Link This again?? learn to hustle... How to get paid Diversification in networking: Don't only rely only on MM there is OMP, Craig's list, Fineartguild.com, communityzoe.com, & local networking parties and events, yahoo groups, myspace, tribe, workshops, night clubs, and other avenues to get your name out in several markets not just one. Remember networking is key, a lot of artists and photographer share names of models they have worked with. Do one workshop with 5 photographers and that is 5 potential photographers who may have a job for you in the future. Donât forget the photographer who is teaching the class as well. And better yet each of those photographers may know someone else who is looking for a person to play a bit part in the new movie they are having trouble casting, or they need a model for a local promotional event they are hosting. Or attend one group shooting event show up and you may get jobs in the future, I know one photographer who did not hire me at one particular event he met me at instead I was hired for a separate project altogether. Diversification in jobs: What genre do you want to work in? The real question is how many genreâs CAN you work in? Art & figure modeling, runway, fashion, glamour, fetish, commercial, now think outside of the box, Not all art is pretty and glamorous. I played a dead girl in a bath tub once. Another time I posed as âbrokenâ. There are many artists who need models not just photographers, sculptors need models, as do painters, and art teachers and art students, some artists need models for body castings. Some models also work with promotions passing out samples and information, or wearing new outfits by local designers to clubs, bit movie parts, and the good old fun job of go-go dancing. Contacts: Make your self easy to find!!! Every photographer and artist has a different venue they go to find models some you meet on the street, some you meet in galleries some you meet at book signings. Always have your business card or comp card at all times I recommend a web site with email. Easy to say, easy to spell, easy to remember. Have your cell number usable at all times or get a modeling cell only if you are worried about privacy. If a photographer thinks of you for a project you need to make sure he/she can FIND YOU and contact you in 2 minutes or less. I know a lot of photographers who lament about the model they though of and donât have any info on. They canât recall the OMP number or the last name⦠Replies: Now you have photographers and artists contacting you. Reply back to them even if you do not want to work with that job. A simple âno thank you Iâm booked that dayâ or âI do not think that job is right for me but please keep me in mind for other jobs you may have in the futureâ. Will do just that, it will keep you out of the little black books everyone professes to have. After each job send a little thank you email letting them know you appreciate the fact that they hired you and picked you for the job. This goes for studio managers as well as photographers. Sometimes just a âit was great to meet youâ is all that is needed to get you on a mental list of models to work with. Payment: Oh right you are doing all of this to get paid. Payment comes in many many ways here is a fun little list I have been keeping up to date in all the crazy ways I have been paid for my work. Cash Prints Room & Board Plane Tickets Movie Tickets Hair cuts, color, styles, Ramen, Sushi, Wine, Fresh Lemons Fresh catnip Clothing Free night club entrance Free Drinks Free Books CDâs, & DVDâs Free trips & vacations Spankings (That was special donât get any ideas) Tattoos & Piercings Rum Soaked Truffles Photography lessons CS2 lessons Full commercial rights to several images I have helped create. All the wonderful beautiful new places I have traveled to and seen. All the wonderful beautiful people I have met and learned from. The chance to be immortalized in art. Dec 19 06 09:29 pm Link Wait, didnt this thread get locked at her request, or am I thinking of another thread? Dec 19 06 09:30 pm Link well , i hire models but not of m.m. , the reason why is hot girls like you will throw some outragous number at me like $75 an hour. i can get a pretty girl anywhere to pose for 8 hours for $150 even doing nudes. so as a cost to profit ratio i go with girls off the street. most the photogs on here want free models or to be paid , few are hiring like me to sell the images. really for my work a pretty body is most of my concern. so an exspensive pretty model is of no use to me at all . Dec 19 06 09:40 pm Link Ahh but what persentage of great images can girls off the street give you? It takes more then just standing there with no clothes on... Dec 19 06 09:43 pm Link darkfotoart wrote: i'd like to see a few of those shots. Dec 19 06 09:46 pm Link Ashli Davenport wrote: I have to agree with Ransom. Dec 19 06 09:50 pm Link |
