TXPhotog wrote:
I will never understand why people put themselves out to get something, get it, and then question it.

Craig Thomson wrote:
I commend you for showing some initiative and asking here in hopes of not being made fun of or used as an example.

Showing initiative is reading the FAQ on Models.com and proactively go find out more about the real-world modeling agencies.  There are plenty of info on Fusion on Models.com and many other websites.

It is absurd to get a request from Models.com (a professional oriented website with a list of approved real-world agencies), and then ask a question on here and getting random answers from mostly people who don't know (TX not included, I hasten to add).  Also, posting a personal message word-for-word is simply bad form.

What do you think the booker would think if he/she sees this thread?

We are lucky to have TX here answering these threads.

TXPhotog wrote:
It's a good agency that is on the models.com approved list.  You are a member - read the list!

I will never understand why people put themselves out to get something, get it, and then question it.

Because, too often things look too good to be true. Don't you agree it's always best to get a third party perspective on the situation?



Thanks everyone for your thoughts, I appreciate them!

K. Holden wrote:
Oh jeez. Take the stick out of your bum. Please. I, too, wish there were more exciting threads on MM right now, but come on.

EDIT: This was directed to "III" and not the OP.

Come on?  All of a sudden there is a real-world agent asking her to submit.  And the answer was already there on the original website.  Have you even seen how extensive the real-world modeling related resource page on Models.com is?

Would you ask a your neighbor who is not a plumber about that leak in your bathroom when a professional plumber tells you he/she can fix it with XYZ method in an hour?

Because, too often things look too good to be true. Don't you agree it's always best to get a third party perspective on the situation?

Not if you are asking the wrong third party.  No.  There are only handful of agency-level people on MM, while there are plenty more in Models.com.  Why didn't you ask on Models.com?

Deadlynightshade wrote:
Because, too often things look too good to be true. Don't you agree it's always best to get a third party perspective on the situation?

Smart girl.  MM can be a resource in more than one way. There is no single "approved" method.  Some folks sure know how to rain on someone else's parade.

lll wrote:
Come on?  All of a sudden there is a real-world agent asking her to submit.  And the answer was already there on the original website.  Have you even seen how extensive the real-world modeling related resource page on Models.com is?

Would you ask a your neighbor who is not a plumber about that leak in your bathroom when a professional plumber tells you he/she can fix it with XYZ method in an hour?


Not if you are asking the wrong third party.  No.  There are only handful of agency-level people on MM, while there are plenty more in Models.com.  Why didn't you ask on Models.com?

Better to ask it here where it's unlikely the booker will see it.

lll wrote:

K. Holden wrote:
Oh jeez. Take the stick out of your bum. Please. I, too, wish there were more exciting threads on MM right now, but come on.

EDIT: This was directed to "III" and not the OP.

Come on?  All of a sudden there is a real-world agent asking her to submit.  And the answer was already there on the original website.  Have you even seen how extensive the real-world modeling related resource page on Models.com is?

Would you ask a your neighbor who is not a plumber about that leak in your bathroom when a professional plumber tells you he/she can fix it with XYZ method in an hour?


Not if you are asking the wrong third party.  No.  There are only handful of agency-level people on MM, while there are plenty more in Models.com.  Why didn't you ask on Models.com?

Based on this one statement made by you " We are lucky to have TX here answering these threads." I think she did the right thing by coming here and asking a simple question, she got an answer from "TX" which you say is a good thing, is it not?

lll wrote:

Showing initiative is reading the FAQ on Models.com and proactively go find out more about the real-world modeling agencies.  There are plenty of info on Fusion on Models.com and many other websites.

It is absurd to get a request from Models.com (a professional oriented website with a list of approved real-world agencies), and then ask a question on here and getting random answers from mostly people who don't know.  Also, posting a personal message word-for-word is simply bad form.

What do you think the booker would think if he/she sees this thread?

We are lucky to have TX here answering these threads.

It's not bad form at all. I did not disclose ANY personal information from the person.  There is nothing that I posted that would embarass the person or let anyone know who they are.  It is not uncommon for an agent to request no makeup shots either so really it is a rather generic message.

Also, when dealing with matters online, you cannot believe everything that is said to you. That's why I am asking -people- what their thoughts are.


For everyone's information I DID google the website and agency.  If you read the question you will see that I am asking for people's OPINIONS... there are many models on this site who are professionals.. There is nothing wrong with asking their opinion.  It would be helpful to me to learn from others. I am mostly trying to figure out if I trip to NY would be more beneficial to starting a modeling career rather than sitting here in the armpit of the U.S. signing with local agencies.

Leo Howard wrote:
Based on this one statement made by you " We are lucky to have TX here answering these threads." I think she did the right thing by coming here and asking a simple question, she got an answer from "TX" which you say is a good thing, is it not?

That, yes.  He is one of the very very few.  Threads like this have caused a lot of extremely credible people to leave MM.  I apologize if it came off too negative to the OP.

I never understand why people would applaud when people don't even do the least amount of their own work to figure things out for themselves.  Check FAQ, call the agency, ask for ID.  I can't even count how many Contact-A-Mod thread would disappear if people just read the info->FAQ and the rules.  It takes only a few minutes, but even for that, people would rather be fed.

Regardless, she gets what she needed.  I am happy for her to get noticed there; it's a good step in the right direction.  Fusion is legit, go get'em and good luck.  Good to see Mark's post, too.

lll wrote:

K. Holden wrote:
Oh jeez. Take the stick out of your bum. Please. I, too, wish there were more exciting threads on MM right now, but come on.

EDIT: This was directed to "III" and not the OP.

Come on?  All of a sudden there is a real-world agent asking her to submit.  And the answer was already there on the original website.  Have you even seen how extensive the real-world modeling related resource page on Models.com is?

Would you ask a your neighbor who is not a plumber about that leak in your bathroom when a professional plumber tells you he/she can fix it with XYZ method in an hour?


Not if you are asking the wrong third party.  No.  There are only handful of agency-level people on MM, while there are plenty more in Models.com.  Why didn't you ask on Models.com?

And another thing I just thought of, you are a MOD here and you are basically telling someone to not use the fourms for what they are really designed for, does that seem logical to you?

lll wrote:
That, yes.  He is one of the very very few.  Threads like this have caused a lot of extremely credible people to leave MM.  I apologize if it came off too negative to the OP.

Have you ever thought about statements and attitudes like yours has probably caused a lot of good people to leave MM

Leo Howard wrote:
And another thing I just thought of, you are a MOD here and you are basically telling someone to not use the fourms for what they are really designed for, does that seem logical to you?

Asking people to read the FAQ and Info is wrong?  I did not say people should not use the forum.  It's like people asking what aperture is in the Photo forums (not just on this site).  When will people start to learn something for themselves?

What does the fact that I am a MOD change this line of thinking?  The only difference is that I see how many questions in the Contact-A-Mod system could have been answered within the first few lines of the FAQ on this site.  I don't see anything wrong with the logic.

I might have come off a little negative originally in this thread, for that, I apologize.

Leo Howard wrote:
Have you ever thought about statements and attitudes like yours has probably caused a lot of good people to leave MM

No sir.  Because they are still in contact.

lll wrote:

No sir.  Because they are still in contact.

How about the ones that got tired of attitudes like you have and arent in contact with you, they just leave and never look back.

lll wrote:

Asking people to read the FAQ and Info is wrong?  I did not say people should not use the forum.  It's like people asking what aperture is in the Photo forums (not just on this site).  When will people start to learn something for themselves?

What does the fact that I am a MOD change this line of thinking?  The only difference is that I see how many questions in the Contact-A-Mod system could have been answered within the first few lines of the FAQ on this site.  I don't see anything wrong with the logic.

I might have come off a little negative originally in this thread, for that, I apologize.

Who the F*** cares what people ask on the forums, thats what forums are for a source of information, if the question is beneath you or you dont feel like answering, move on to something else.

I only wish when I was first starting out I had a resource like the internet forums.

Leo Howard wrote:
How about the ones that got tired of attitudes like you have and arent in contact with you, they just leave and never look back.

And those are the people who don't care to even look up and read up the most basic of everything involved?

My attitude is this.  As someone who has a "dream" of doing something they like, they should be responsible to at least find out and learn the very basic of what they want to do.  If this someone joins a website that is modeling related, they should have at least read the basic rules of the game, figure out who the basic players are, and how it works.

There is an extremely extensive FAQ on Models.com (go take a look) totalling quite a few pages.  It has laid out the essence of how the modeling industry works, who the players are, how to find out and verify agencies (call them, email them) etc.  They even have a list of approved agencies (which Fusion is on).

I have apologized if it came off negative, but it is the crux of the problem here and on a few other online modeling forums.  One needs to ultimately do something for themselves and can't expect to be fed all the time.  Personally I think my response has been mild in comparison to what would have been on the other website; it wouldn't be that tolerated.

And once more time, I would apologize that I came off rather negatively.

Pixel Fisher wrote:
My opinion... call the agency directly and see if that person does exist and ask if the did contact you this way.  Hey maybe they are doing this to some degree, so instead of fishing for opinions here, do the smart business thing and just call them.

Exactly...

It's happened on Models.com multiple times.  They have criteria setup so the website only sent new profiles that match those exact criteria to them on a regular basis (to my understanding).  The bookers, when they have time, browse through those and make some contact.  The site also tells members to verify their contacts through email, and phone calls to the agencies (and the agencies information are listed).

*sigh*

And I apologize once more, and again.  It is my fault that I might have allowed some family issues (death in the family yesterday) to affect my online personality.  For that, I sincerely apologize to the OP.

Leo Howard wrote:
Who the F*** cares what people ask on the forums, thats what forums are for a source of information, if the question is beneath you or you dont feel like answering, move on to something else.

I only wish when I was first starting out I had a resource like the internet forums.

I care. Think of how much easier it'd be to find information in the forums without all the lazy questions.

lll wrote:

That, yes.  He is one of the very very few.  Threads like this have caused a lot of extremely credible people to leave MM.  I apologize if it came off too negative to the OP.

I never understand why people would applaud when people don't even do the least amount of their own work to figure things out for themselves.  Check FAQ, call the agency, ask for ID.  I can't even count how many Contact-A-Mod thread would disappear if people just read the info->FAQ and the rules.  It takes only a few minutes, but even for that, people would rather be fed.

Regardless, she gets what she needed.  I am happy for her to get noticed there; it's a good step in the right direction.  Fusion is legit, go get'em and good luck.  Good to see Mark's post, too.

It did sound rather negative, but I am not here to start a fight.  Also, doing research on an agency would include asking others their thoughts and opinions.  If you wanted to find a company to connect your cell phone, wouldn't it be wise to ask your friends what they think of the company first? Part of my research is asking others what they think.  Many people who responded to this gave me the advice I needed... not "oh yes they are legit and you are gorgeous" but "you should go to new york and go to 4 or 5 other casting calls as well."  THAT's what's helping me at the moment!  There is no ONE right person on here... there is no ONE right answer.

lll wrote:
Ok.  Let's move past that and now you have a really good question.

Should you go to NYC.

For most commercial work, the models have to be where the jobs are.  You will go to lots of go-sees and be picked for a few if your look works for the clients.  You don't get paid to go to go-sees/castings.

If you are not local to the go-sees, you don't get to go regularly, and you won't get picked.  It may be true that one day, once you have established you will be flown to another place to work, but generally you have to be where the job is.  It is not economically feasible for someone to live in, say, Arizona to constantly fly across the continent to go to go-sees in New York (unless we don't know that you are extremely independently wealthy).

It depends on your goals.  Do you want to land major ad-work?  Major print work?  Then NYC is the place to be.  Or would you be happy to work in a small market doing local print work?  It's up to you ultimately.

"You need to go where the jobs are".

Hmmm that is very interesting.  So are you saying it would be more beneficial to live in NY to get jobs?

What if I wanted to sign with an agent such as Fusion or Elite or any of those well established NY agencies?

Deadlynightshade wrote:
So are you saying it would be more beneficial to live in NY to get jobs?

Think of it this way:  if you have a go-see in NYC at 9am tomorrow, you have to book a flight for it.  What if you can't get a flight?  You miss the go-see.  I don't think you'd have to miss too many go-sees before you realize that it would be more cost effective & practical if you lived in NYC and simply took the subway.

Deadlynightshade wrote:
What if I wanted to sign with an agent such as Fusion or Elite or any of those well established NY agencies?

Say you have an agency.  A girl comes to you who wants to model and model for you but she doesn't want to move.  What does that tell you about her commitment?  Are you in any way comfortable sending her to go-sees in NYC when she lives in AZ (especially if you already have models living in NYC who you can send)?  Would you even bother?