San Francisco Nudes wrote:
Happens all the time.  Sometimes you hear back much later - they've had some kind of drama in their life where they were so heartbroken because of whatever happened with their boyfriend/cat/grandmother they couldn't reply to email.

You have several options, including sticking with agencies, booking more models for a day than you really need, or just doing whatever you can to minimize the chance of this happening - like pulling the plug the minute they show any signs of being non-professional.

Problem is that the only people who can work with conditions like there are GWC's and sexual predators, who rent a motel in 10mins notice and dont use MUA and others, a pro shoot takes alot of planning and many peoples coordination, so models doing this, as far as i can tell only want GWC's or Molesters.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
No disrespect to the OP but expecting models on websites to act in a
professional manner isn't wise.  While there are some here most of this site is
full of attractive women who have no real interest in going further then posting
here or on Myspace.  I email a model once or twice.  If she won't provide some
sort of contact information I move on.

Tony, i think thats good advice considering the situation, thanks.

Shiree wrote:
Ok i finally had it happen to me, i hear about it alot of the net, A model contacted me about shooting, i responded with interest, she responded with the same interest as in the first email, not adding any contact number or definitive anything. Is this what the rest of the shooters here go thru??? I mean geesh then i sit here and listen to models bitch because people dont take them seriously?  Let me explain it simply... if you act in this manner.. you are NOT A MODEL, your just some kid who thinks shes attractive and believes that someone with 200 grand worth of equip is at your disposal, and guess what, YOUR WRONG.

This model who contacted me, is better off to not do it again, wasting my time isnt something i enjoy. The worst part is, It was a PAID shoot for the model,lol. soo let me recap..

PAID SHOOT FOR THE MODEL(NON-NUDE)
MODEL CONTACTS ME
REPLY IS SENT SAME DAY
MODEL REPLIES SAME DAY
REPLY SENT NEXT DAY
I MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR HAIR/MUA/OTHER MODEL/LOCATION.
MODEL HASNT RESPONDED IN 10 DAYS.
MODEL JUST COST HERSELF A JOB.
MODEL ISNT A MODEL.

(AND NO WAY ILL RECONTACT HER, IM AWARE SHES RECIEVED THE EMAIL AND READ IT)

Do the rest of you guys suffer this type of bullshit?? if so now i kno0w why you guys are so hard on the bullshit, after 11yrs in this business, my main form of income, this is a new thing to me.

I've had similar happen with me - but the photographer never confirmed. Everything was arranged, location, date, details etc. But no time was determined. And I come to realize, that the photographer was a flake.

life goes on, and other photographers will fill their place.

Iona Lynn wrote:
Welcome to the Internet

Good morning OP

You have just stepped out of your safe little world of agency modeling, and into the big bad world of internet photography. There are no rules here; a girl who is 5’ 1” in 4” stiletto heals can get paid work from photographers, so can a girl who is bigger than a size 4. The typical agency rules don’t apply to us anymore. Sorry about that, in just a few days your in box will be filled with silly little girls with crappy web cam photos saying they love your work, yet you need to pay 150.00 an hour to shoot them. Not to make it too complicated there are several different camps of people all colliding on this site:

Agency models and photographers = work for clients and have a set of standards
Artist models and photographers = work for art and the chance to be in the galleries.
Amateur models and photographers = work to learn some of these guys and girls will move up and do some great work in the above categories.
GWP and GWC = it’s all about the b(o)(o)bies.

Welcome to our world…………………………


*hugs to the OP*
not all of us are like that only 98% of us...

Yeah, make this one a sticky.

Shiree wrote:
Funny thing is i ALWAYS have paid work for models, and im always hiring models, always thought that wasnt a bridge to burn.

I have to ask.

If you always are hiring models, and always have paid work, how have you not encountered this kind of thing before?  What kind of paid work is it?

Iona Lynn wrote:
Welcome to the Internet

Good morning OP

You have just stepped out of your safe little world of agency modeling, and into the big bad world of internet photography. There are no rules here; a girl who is 5’ 1” in 4” stiletto heals can get paid work from photographers, so can a girl who is bigger than a size 4. The typical agency rules don’t apply to us anymore. Sorry about that, in just a few days your in box will be filled with silly little girls with crappy web cam photos saying they love your work, yet you need to pay 150.00 an hour to shoot them. Not to make it too complicated there are several different camps of people all colliding on this site:

Agency models and photographers = work for clients and have a set of standards
Artist models and photographers = work for art and the chance to be in the galleries.
Amateur models and photographers = work to learn some of these guys and girls will move up and do some great work in the above categories.
GWP and GWC = it’s all about the b(o)(o)bies.

Welcome to our world…………………………


*hugs to the OP*
not all of us are like that only 98% of us...

this should be sent with all the welcome notices when joining MM.

wurd!

Jeff Marsh wrote:
you got nailed by a GWT
girl with tits (and not much more)
Most girls on the net just want some "hot pictures" and attention. It's a shame because many of them could do well if they were serious.

LMAO GWT!! can i use that???

Tony Lawrence wrote:
No disrespect to the OP but expecting models on websites to act in a
professional manner isn't wise.  While there are some here most of this site is
full of attractive women who have no real interest in going further then posting
here or on Myspace.  I email a model once or twice.  If she won't provide some
sort of contact information I move on.

Yeah, Tony hit it on the head there.

To quote something I post to aspiring models here who ask if they have "the look":

If you have to ask... then, no, you don't.

For the most part, the only people who ask this question are the ones fishing for empty compliments from random strangers.

From what I've witnessed in the past, the people who ask this question don't actually want to do the work of being a model, but just want to be told that he or she could be a model.

It's frustrating for photographers because these are the "models" who don't respond to email, or if they do, can almost be counted on to flake at the last minute or pull no-shows.  It's frustrating for other models, because then photographers assume ALL internet models are like that.

Everyone loses, except the so-called model, enjoying the ego stroke of people wanting to work with her.

Sucks!

Shiree wrote:
The paid work i offer ranges from Fashion to Art Nude.  I dont shoot adult work, im just no good at it,lol.

That's pretty impressive.  Who are your fashion clients?

Couture Imagery wrote:
yes it is a major pain in the ass when models express an interest and then offer no contact information after several emails. but....it's the internet. you get what you pay for.

Thats just it im paying 30.00/hr for fashion and 45/hr for art nude, and my work isnt THAT bad!! I mean daymnnn

Shiree wrote:
LOL yes, counting the shoot rv's and the cameras and eqip, computer systems, prop stock and wardrobe.  but ummm my point shouldnt have been about that, my appologies, models shouldnt do this even if your a GWC its just plain rude.

i have 7 grand...guess im doing pretty good...

Raquel Gonzalez wrote:
dude .. you have 200 grand worth of equipment ?

I must just be punk ass... I was proud of my two grand in equipment!  Haha!

Michael Donovan wrote:
I don't know... I would think that if you were going to shell out $200k on equipment (rather then renting it) you would also spend the money on an agency model...whenever I have paid work,I godirectly to the agencies. They become accountable for the no show.

This paid work is for my own book, normally of course in client shoots i would be using agency models for Fashion works.

Not sure what the comment on my day rate is about.

Shiree wrote:
Currently im not shooting Fashion for any clients, I took a small and short retirement to do some personal things, Thus the reason to update my book.

Ok.  With a 200k arsenal, who were your past clients?  Just out of curiosity.

Styles including POLO, Guess, CK, Versace and others have become a common placement in his work.

Interesting.

Iona Lynn wrote:
I am totally confused..
OP
says:
He has 200 K in equipment
is world renowned
has over 250 k online and print tears
has a 8500 comercial day rate

Yet he still has to pay models to update his book?
I thought photographers used tearsheets in their books?
Or the results from agency models test shoots.

Something does not add up here...

I am totally befuddled.  Can someone tell me what all those awards are?  I can't find any references.